minimum wage increase good or bad?

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[AgentOrange]

but i don't really care if it goes up or down. working is overrated

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that doesn't really make any sense...[MOD EDIT: No offensive comments, please.]

I reckon you two should have a fight hoi hoi

[Luigi]

15$ is f*ck all dont see how someone could live comfortably on that.

but i agree the idea is stupid , if i was on 15$ because i had worked the last year or two to get a pay rise and then this happened i would be very annoyed, not too mention the small business's this will affect

another great idea by the nz goverment :roll:

[genetic freek]

15$ is f*ck all dont see how someone could live comfortably on that.

but i agree the idea is stupid , if i was on 15$ because i had worked the last year or two to get a pay rise and then this happened i would be very annoyed, not too mention the small business's this will affect

another great idea by the nz goverment :roll:

The govt does not support this, the opp does.

It's called Min wage for a reason, its not ment to be good money...

[Luigi]

15$ is f*ck all dont see how someone could live comfortably on that.

but i agree the idea is stupid , if i was on 15$ because i had worked the last year or two to get a pay rise and then this happened i would be very annoyed, not too mention the small business's this will affect

another great idea by the nz goverment :roll:

The govt does not support this, the opp does.

It's called Min wage for a reason, its not ment to be good money...

labour ?. and the 15$ was directed to all the others whinging that they should just leave school and go work at burger king

[Riccardo]

It's mostly food places/retailers that pay people minimum wage so all thats gona happen is they will decrease the number of people they employ or increase the price of their good, the net effect is that it all balances out. so really there is no need to increase the minimum wage. Instead of bribing voters they should be focusing on ways of developing a skilled workforce so there is less demand for low skilled employment.

[nemesis]

"it ballances out"?

If they raise it too $15 I cant survive! I shut down! Wheres the balance?

[vracula]

I wonder if either party even knows what they are doing. :-s

[muscle99]

Good. The prices of everything have increased except the minimum wage. Now it looks like it will be matched finally . Is this really a wage increase?

Do you have a brain? The min wage went up a month ago and then 6months before that. And how will it match what? Match the new tax the govt has put on liquor and tobacco?

Yeah there is somewhat something left actually. The minimum wage increases do not reflect the increases of food, electricity, rent etc, non-government prices hikes.

[rovr4on]

Good. The prices of everything have increased except the minimum wage. Now it looks like it will be matched finally . Is this really a wage increase?

Do you have a brain? The min wage went up a month ago and then 6months before that. And how will it match what? Match the new tax the govt has put on liquor and tobacco?

Yeah there is somewhat something left actually. The minimum wage increases do not reflect the increases of food, electricity, rent etc, non-government prices hikes.

but my wage and everybody elses hasnt gone up during these increases in goods/services. why should minimum wage employees get the benefit for putting in smallest effort?

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[rovr4on]

but my wage and everybody elses hasnt gone up during these increases in goods/services. why should minimum wage employees get the benefit for putting in smallest effort?

What makes you say they put in the smallest effort? Some of those minimum wage jobs are pretty shit, hard work and boring. A lot of people get hooked up with pretty sweet jobs just because they know someone, so its not necessarily about effort. But yes for a number of reasons already mentioned it does seem stupid to increase min wage

sorry I mean there are alot of kids who are on the minimum wage, and I know a good majority of them only do whats needed and nothing more. Just benefit of being young lol. But those who are hard workers on minimum wage, like hardworking locals and foreigners (aren't a majority of minimum wage employees migrants, hence why we have a migration policy to encourage migrants to come and do the jobs that locals will not do) who are on minimum wage for years is a bit unfortunate, but they are assisted by the 2nd generation. But in the end how do you distinguish between the two?

[andy s]

Instead of bribing voters they should be focusing on ways of developing a skilled workforce so there is less demand for low skilled employment.

Last time they got in they bribed the students. Its the only way they know how. They are also talking of bringing back more appretiships *(sp). Goff had better take a reality check as no company is going to want to pay a first year $15/hour.

[tomsammce]

I thought minimum wage laws don't apply to apprenticeships?

[andy s]

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if you are above minimum wage and have useful skills and are an asset to your employer couldn't you just negotiate with them for an extra $2/hour?

Look at it as over $4000/year. Its puts it into the perspective of an employer. If you are ie. manufacturing low margin products and you need to pay 3 or more staff an extra 4k it ramps up pretty fast. I feel for families doing the business on minimum wage but I don't think long term raising it will solve the issues. Its a bribe from a desparate party with poor leadership.

[andy s]

I thought minimum wage laws don't apply to apprenticeships?

you might be right Tom and your spelling is better than mine. Alot of the guys comming through trades now are 18+ though so it would be intersting.

[Optimass]

Interesting thread ... I think this will ultimately back fire on Labour - doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out it simply not sustainable for business ... I was kind of expecting them to come out with something like this as up until now as the have only been critical of National with no credible back up ideas of their own. The reality is - if they were in control, they would have had to reneg on many of the policies they campaigned on in order to keep the country in check. How do you budget and account for an Earthquake at the start of your term in office - let alone 2. They have spent too much time in chambers with the greens IMO :smoke:

Don't you think Phil Goff and Don Brash are the most uncharismatic leaders ever to lead national and labour ... :nod:

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Just wanted to point out that most of New Zealands larger retail businesses pay more than minimum wage rates and/or have a qualifying period where a new team member starts and then qualifies for a higher rate once they have completed initial training. And to be fair - retail is no longer a "bottom level job" - initially yes the rates can be low to start - but once you are qualified you can make a significant amount of money from choosing it as a career.

Minimum wage is more commonly utilised by small, private business - so I think you will find "most" supermarket and big box retail companies are paying just under $15 as it is. However, raising it to a compulsery $15 is going to be a greater dissadvantage to smaller businesses > and make it increasingly hard for them to remain viable and competitive. Labour think this is a good move but all they are going to do is hurt the people they say they are trying to represent.

Rant over.

[startinfromscratch]

i left school, had school c and 6th form, but chose to do an apprenticeship as a baker. i started on 9.50 an hour. but 4 years later, i was a qualified tradesman with no debt and a big lump of cash saved. i had to work my way up the payscale like most others.

I have, and do work in a supermarket, but before that ive had experiences in other workplaces where the people around me (minimum wage immigrants) hated me cos i was on WAY more coin than them, yet working in the same areas. My answer to them was always "when you can do what i do, as good as i can, you can have my pay".

I stand by this - if you want 2 more dollars an hour, work harder. If your work is worth that, and your not getting it, change jobs.

NZ is fucked, everyone wants a handout. slags leave school and pump out kids to collect a benefit, people stay on ACC or disability for years that often are either completely faking or understating etc etc

i liken this shit to when the maori party announced they wanted maoris to have easier criteria to get into uni. Fucken work harder like us white krakas you lazy cunts!

time to become an online roid dealer, bling bling

[jimjim83]

i left school, had school c and 6th form, but chose to do an apprenticeship as a baker. i started on 9.50 an hour. but 4 years later, i was a qualified tradesman with no debt and a big lump of cash saved. i had to work my way up the payscale like most others.

I have, and do work in a supermarket, but before that ive had experiences in other workplaces where the people around me (minimum wage immigrants) hated me cos i was on WAY more coin than them, yet working in the same areas. My answer to them was always "when you can do what i do, as good as i can, you can have my pay".

I stand by this - if you want 2 more dollars an hour, work harder. If your work is worth that, and your not getting it, change jobs.

NZ is fucked, everyone wants a handout. slags leave school and pump out kids to collect a benefit, people stay on ACC or disability for years that often are either completely faking or understating etc etc

i liken this shit to when the maori party announced they wanted maoris to have easier criteria to get into uni. Fucken work harder like us white krakas you lazy cunts!

time to become an online roid dealer, bling bling

The dealers on here might have a problem with your competition

[Mike Zero]

[tomsammce]

^ hahaha I enjoyed that

[Lskee]

If minimum wage goes up, it will attract more students to drop out of school hence resulting in less educated people resulting in a crappy economy.

[tomsammce]

If minimum wage goes up, it will attract more students to drop out of school hence resulting in less educated people resulting in a crappy economy.

school doesn't mean shit. When I was in high school I had the attention span of a goldfish and my ability to retain information learnt was crap. I think alot of students brains aren't fully developed or at the same stage as others as far as high school goes. for example, I had to sit some tests last year one of which was maths to about 6 form level. I had no recollection and don't think I was even able to be taught and retain all the formulas needed for fraction problems and algebra etc. I attended 5x 60 mintue sessions with a 7th form student from Kristin college and learnt more math in 5 hours than what I would have or could have learnt while I was at school.

Also people who leave or 'drop out' if they have good attitude then IMO they are better off in alot if cases, common sense, people skills and alot of important life skills aren't really present in high school

[Lskee]

If minimum wage goes up, it will attract more students to drop out of school hence resulting in less educated people resulting in a crappy economy.

school doesn't mean shit. When I was in high school I had the attention span of a goldfish and my ability to retain information learnt was crap. I think alot of students brains aren't fully developed or at the same stage as others as far as high school goes. for example, I had to sit some tests last year one of which was maths to about 6 form level. I had no recollection and don't think I was even able to be taught and retain all the formulas needed for fraction problems and algebra etc. I attended 5x 60 mintue sessions with a 7th form student from Kristin college and learnt more math in 5 hours than what I would have or could have learnt while I was at school.

Also people who leave or 'drop out' if they have good attitude then IMO they are better off in alot if cases, common sense, people skills and alot of important life skills aren't really present in high school

Sorry what do you do for a living?

[tomsammce]

If minimum wage goes up, it will attract more students to drop out of school hence resulting in less educated people resulting in a crappy economy.

school doesn't mean shit. When I was in high school I had the attention span of a goldfish and my ability to retain information learnt was crap. I think alot of students brains aren't fully developed or at the same stage as others as far as high school goes. for example, I had to sit some tests last year one of which was maths to about 6 form level. I had no recollection and don't think I was even able to be taught and retain all the formulas needed for fraction problems and algebra etc. I attended 5x 60 mintue sessions with a 7th form student from Kristin college and learnt more math in 5 hours than what I would have or could have learnt while I was at school.

Also people who leave or 'drop out' if they have good attitude then IMO they are better off in alot if cases, common sense, people skills and alot of important life skills aren't really present in high school

Sorry what do you do for a living?

As little as possible most of the time