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gdl Junior member

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Hi team,

Im a PT down in Welly and as I have alluded to in another topic looking to move up North.

Have made a few enquiries.

Made me think, I pay $260 per week to PT at my gym. How much do you guys pay?

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thats the thing, what should I get for that?

Nothing much

we pay 400 for a uniform, free use of phone and printer paper, advertising round the gym, heaps of other trainers and f*ck all leads

Gym also has a booming student population :roll:

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Yeah Les Mills and City Fitness offer both hourly rate employment and the ability to run your own business. I like the employed option as a beginner :D No pressure.

260 is pretty darn huge, where abouts is it located and what sort of support do you get for that price?

Active advertising and marketing, leads, paper work, web space etc?

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did you sign a contract?

maybe should of looked into it a bit more?

if you have a good sales team at the gym and they know you well, you'll get some leads rolling in

for 260 a week rent id be expecting a heap of leads,ongoing training,updates on first aid course etc. parking!

dunno really. sounds alot tho

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No just talked with a rep from both gyms. I'd pay for les mills and city fitness for sure, just the sort of people coming into the gym are the people who have a little extra to spend and are more likely to try personal training. Les Mills has a huge sales team (you ever tried to sign up for them? they will hunt you down till you do! lol) so I'd have a lot of trust in them to bring in new people.

For 260 I'd expect a premium location hosting the wealthy and healthy, jumping at a chance to get a PT session.

Free cards and ongoing paperwork, payment, parking as said. I'd really want to see a lot for that. It's $12,480 for a 48 week year. not cheap

and free first aid, lol yes please....

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Yeah Les Mills and City Fitness offer both hourly rate employment and the ability to run your own business. I like the employed option as a beginner :D No pressure.

260 is pretty darn huge, where abouts is it located and what sort of support do you get for that price?

Active advertising and marketing, leads, paper work, web space etc?

Its in Wellington, big box gym. Advertising and marketing is pretty poor. Lots of promises. PT manager is a great bloke doing his best. Leads as Ive alluded to are minimal. Fitness will offer any member personalized programmes which doesnt help. Demographic is 18-35 mainly, although theres are not many over 30!

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did you sign a contract?

maybe should of looked into it a bit more?

if you have a good sales team at the gym and they know you well, you'll get some leads rolling in

for 260 a week rent id be expecting a heap of leads,ongoing training,updates on first aid course etc. parking!

dunno really. sounds alot tho

Ongoing trainng is non existent. Free carparking -if the warden dont catch u! 65 bucks if he does!! Sales Team knows me well but leads tend to go to new trainers -directive from mgmt - so they can bring on more trainers I guess :roll:

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Hi gdl, the amount your paying is bloody steep allright. Most PTs up here in auckland pay between $130 and $220 although I do know of people paying up to $400. Some managers/gym owners will squeeze as much as they can out of you. But what alot of PTs dont realize is that the contract you sign with your gym is an "individual employment contract", by this I mean the conditions you negotiate is between you and the owner/manager. Just because all the other trainers are paying $200 a week (or whatever) dosent mean you have to pay this. When they say to you $260 a week this is a starting point in your negotiations. But unfortunately PTs just say "oh ok" and pay up. The manager then sometimes thinks "Oh shit that was easy,maybe I should have asked for 300. The best time to renegotiate your rate is when you have been there a few months and built up a good client base. At this point your are seen as an "asset" to the gym" and they are alot less willing to lose you, as well as the potential loss of all your clients leaving along with you.

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I'd be careful with that advise, certainly try to negotiate up front. You could just as easily be told "there's the contract and there's the door" take your pick. If you sign a deal in good faith, show integrity by sticking to the deal.

Yes you are an asset, but the gym and it many customers and equipment are assets you've had advantage of too, and there are a lot of other PT's knocking on the door. You've built your business on access to their assets.

A good gym will add value to your business above these things, such as assistance with business skills, sales training, lead generation. For all it's flaws, Les Mills is a marketing machine and as a PT you'll always have new prospective clients joining up.

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End of the day it really is going to come down to how good you are

You can get as many prospects thru the door but if you can't convert them to successful clients then ........

$260 a week = $6.50 an hour ( can't rent a room in the city for that!) for a 40 hour week, you want to be successful you have to put in the hard yards.

Best recommendation is word of mouth, you achieve for your clients people notice, talk refer

Sit back reflect on what /who you have trained in the last 6 months/year.Then look at how you could increase that

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Hi gdl, the amount your paying is bloody steep allright. Most PTs up here in auckland pay between $130 and $220 although I do know of people paying up to $400. Some managers/gym owners will squeeze as much as they can out of you. But what alot of PTs dont realize is that the contract you sign with your gym is an "individual employment contract", by this I mean the conditions you negotiate is between you and the owner/manager. Just because all the other trainers are paying $200 a week (or whatever) dosent mean you have to pay this. When they say to you $260 a week this is a starting point in your negotiations. But unfortunately PTs just say "oh ok" and pay up. The manager then sometimes thinks "Oh shit that was easy,maybe I should have asked for 300. The best time to renegotiate your rate is when you have been there a few months and built up a good client base. At this point your are seen as an "asset" to the gym" and they are alot less willing to lose you, as well as the potential loss of all your clients leaving along with you.

Hi HP, Yes what we pay is steep.

To give you a bit of history I started PTing in July where what we paid was a percentage 65 to me and 35 to the club. This systen was shocking and as a new PT the only way I could get clients was PAR - Qs and reviews (which members were entitled to every 6 weeks). In November we switched to rent. It was brought in in phases and I have been paying full rent wince Feb. Since november the only way i have been able to get new clients are walking the floor and leads from Sales (Sales used to refer no1!!) as stated new trainers are most likely to get these. Fitness now take all par qs and reviews - they can sell PT but most chose not to even though they get $40 for every 1 they do sell.....

I dont wanna come across aas a bitcher that why I wanna put it out there.....What else can i do to be successful?

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Hi gdl, your story sounds very similar to what mine was. I signed on with an awesome gym but unfortunately 3 months in, they sold out to another not so good one. The long and short of it is my rent was huge, pretty much if you didn't agree to sign up as one of the employed pt's, you got no leads or referals and still paid huge rent. Some of the original contracted pt's are still there but most have moved to the employed system. I did my year then left, set up my own studio at home and now pay no rent and only wish I had done it sooner. I had been a pt at another gym for 7 years prior to moving and only moved because I was head hunted and the deal was an all round more professional environment which was really important to me then. Don't pay those huge rents, sucks the profit out of your business, I think the Les Mills way sounds much fairer.

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Hi gdl, your story sounds very similar to what mine was. I signed on with an awesome gym but unfortunately 3 months in, they sold out to another not so good one. The long and short of it is my rent was huge, pretty much if you didn't agree to sign up as one of the employed pt's, you got no leads or referals and still paid huge rent. Some of the original contracted pt's are still there but most have moved to the employed system. I did my year then left, set up my own studio at home and now pay no rent and only wish I had done it sooner. I had been a pt at another gym for 7 years prior to moving and only moved because I was head hunted and the deal was an all round more professional environment which was really important to me then. Don't pay those huge rents, sucks the profit out of your business, I think the Les Mills way sounds much fairer.
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Hi gdl, your story sounds very similar to what mine was. I signed on with an awesome gym but unfortunately 3 months in, they sold out to another not so good one. The long and short of it is my rent was huge, pretty much if you didn't agree to sign up as one of the employed pt's, you got no leads or referals and still paid huge rent. Some of the original contracted pt's are still there but most have moved to the employed system. I did my year then left, set up my own studio at home and now pay no rent and only wish I had done it sooner. I had been a pt at another gym for 7 years prior to moving and only moved because I was head hunted and the deal was an all round more professional environment which was really important to me then. Don't pay those huge rents, sucks the profit out of your business, I think the Les Mills way sounds much fairer.
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