Expanation

[HarryB]

Ummmmmm so what you're saying is that you read the clinical studies and predict what would happen at greater doses? Isn't that conjecture? Do you even read what you write?

Oh and I am at work too, I just know how to spell and use correct grammer. Not bad for one of the ignorant masses!

:shock: no hate bros but I spotted that

lol me too... right after I posted it.

[thatwaslight]

Looking forward to hearing nates input on this one lol

[startinfromscratch]

this thread is LULZ.

WBJ, you just need to learn how to eat and train.

i started off at 72kg @ 15%. 2 and a bit years ago. Im now 100kg, bf20-23%. I didnt take slin, gh or massive doses of aas. i just took advice from the units on here on eating and diet.

and btw, i have shithouse genetics, ask anyone of the bros here who know me IRL. so genes are no excuse.

Maybe i should do a 18kg cut so i can be as jacked as you? wash down my clen & cucumber smoothies with some oral whinny while sipping coke and pinning slin?

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

[Rookie]

this thread is LULZ.

WBJ, you just need to learn how to eat and train.

i started off at 72kg @ 15%. 2 and a bit years ago. Im now 100kg, bf20-23%. I didnt take slin, gh or massive doses of aas. i just took advice from the units on here on eating and diet.

and btw, i have shithouse genetics, ask anyone of the bros here who know me IRL. so genes are no excuse.

Maybe i should do a 18kg cut so i can be as jacked as you? wash down my clen & cucumber smoothies with some oral whinny while sipping coke and pinning slin?

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Bro how did you get your bf measured? Just curious coz that'll mean you'll be 90kgs 10-13%?

At least gained you some good weight by putting the basics into practice bro!

[startinfromscratch]

Bro how did you get your bf measured? Just curious coz that'll mean you'll be 90kgs 10-13%?

At least gained you some good weight by putting the basics into practice bro!

callipers measured at 72kg, and the 20-23 is a estimate based on me being callipered up at cbc at 16% before sheiko...

[WANABJAKD]

WOW.

What a painful expanation that was.

In all your intelligence you have absolutely no idea how to put together a simple sentence.

it definitely was. i hope thats better now.

:doh: Who would you rather take advice from? Someone who copy and pastes articles and is 80 odd kgs after a few cycles..... Or someone who is experienced and 100kg+ :think:

for the last time, thats two cycles, one "real" cycle. i usually take advice from anyone, though i confirm it through my research. i will seek the advice of the most knowledgeable users for things such as exotic drugs, various dosing protocols and personal experience with training/nutrition(as these aspects are more intricate than science alone). these users dont always have top condition, huge amounts of muscle mass or 20+ years of steroid use, however, they deliver great educated advice and from then on i make my own informed decision(s).

[jimjim83]

We have seen you pictures which were a failure, If you knew what you were talking about your results would speak for themselves but they dont.

[Android]

this thread is LULZ.

WBJ, you just need to learn how to eat and train.

i started off at 72kg @ 15%. 2 and a bit years ago. Im now 100kg, bf20-23%. I didnt take slin, gh or massive doses of aas. i just took advice from the units on here on eating and diet.

and btw, i have shithouse genetics, ask anyone of the bros here who know me IRL. so genes are no excuse.

Maybe i should do a 18kg cut so i can be as jacked as you? wash down my clen & cucumber smoothies with some oral whinny while sipping coke and pinning slin?

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Lol good one!

you're a baker embrace your shape ... Invent a slice of bread that has 10gms of protein without it being a sandwich or full of seeds bro and you'll be rich. And not with melamine either

[Chemo]

Just digging that ditch. :pfft: :pfft:

Thanks for the expanatanation

[tomsammce]

wannabejacked... give it a rest

[rovr4on]

dude you just need to chill, being soo defensive is just making it worse!!

[Ronin]

Maybe we could have a whip-around so BJ-Kid and Huck could hook up. They seem to have a lot in common...like attitudes and the size of the chips on their respective shoulders

[Sifo-Dyas]

The first time you had to type something that was not ctrl-v and you got the spelling wrong lol.

The reason you get persecuted is because everyone searches google and for every article and study you find, there is another that contradicts it. So people come on here seeking the type of knowledge that has come from people that have experienced the "question" for themselves.

In seeking this advice they will get differing opinions from peoples experiences and choose the advice that best fits their own personal situation.

I would love to hear your "opinion" if it contains any relevance to a subject. But basically you don't actually know anything...???

Like I have said before - It doesn't matter how many Playboys you read, it wont make you a better lover...It will just make you an incredible WANKER!

[tomsammce]

Like I have said before - It doesn't matter how many Playboys you read, it wont make you a better lover...It will just make you an incredible WANKER!

hahahaha nice one. lol

[Chemo]

Like I have said before - It doesn't matter how many Playboys you read, it wont make you a better lover...It will just make you an incredible WANKER!

hahahaha nice one. lol

+1

\:D/ i lold IRL

[jimjim83]

Like I have said before - It doesn't matter how many Playboys you read, it wont make you a better lover...It will just make you an incredible WANKER!

kind of like it doesnt matter how many accounts you create, your still the same person?

[train hard]

and the show continues this week WBJ schools Harry B on clen but everyone tells him to fuk off with his stupid rat study stay tuned for future installments off WBJ tv

[genetic freek]

Ok so I have not read this shit but looking at your posts they are really really long, who the hell has the time to write a post like that? do you have alife? Or did you just copy and paste? Who cares, no1 likes you.

Flag pole at 3pm see you there.

[severe]

IMO for the average person to gain muscle it's a combination of all factors; Brains, knowledge, brawn and experience.

+1

[Optimass]

Most GPs don't know anything about AAS and how to apply it in practical terms to gain muscle. I'll guarantee if you managed to convince one to prescribe it for the sole purpose of gaining muscle, that they would 100% not advocate prescribing you an anti-e or anti-a.

At the same time they would'nt walk into the gym and start coaching the 120kg beast master lifting a 260kg bar and correct him on his theoretical technique/form based on what he has read in a textbook.

This is where you are doing it wrong. A 10kg gain is a good gain - I'd be keen to put on 10kg in the same amount of time (actual muscle). The problem however is that you could have put the weight on without AAS. You come across like it was only AAS - because you don't have any credible base knowledge in training and diet. Perhaps you do - but you rarely refer to it and therefore it's hard to qualify you.

Most experienced bbr's will always recommend at least get a good baseline in training and nutrition before embarking on AAS use. This is so the person they are coaching has everything they need totake advantage of AAS before they begin a cycle. IMO the most important factor in AAS use is not how to dose, how to come off and/or how to avoid the side effects should you start to get them.... It's how you train, eat and rest. All things you learn and perfect for your body (what works/what doesn't) before you start.

This is why I called you dangerous the other day. The gains you have made are not at all better than the gains I made when I first startd out. You simply haven't put enough time into gaining experience in your own body nd how it reacts to training. You come across "as a matter of fact" when challenging guys that have more muscle experience (sometimes decades).

You come across like you have a good brain mate - Your just trying to fly before you have wings IMO. Just take a step back and think about what you post > perhaps start a journal, do a short course in strength training and begin cycling your training so you can begin collecting a vast amount of training experience which will give you the gains and qualify your results.

You may be thinking this is a croc - why should you have to "qualify" when there are others on the site with similar experience etc - - - it's because they didn't create this situation because they showed respect to the "qualified" members, they asked question and didn't ram theories down peoples throats, they were humble and gave thanks ... and they got respect in return.

[thatwaslight]

Hucking great post opti, respect is earned.

[crazyfacials]

Here we go with Opti showing off again and getting another post of the month

just kidding bro, good post and unbiased

[WANABJAKD]

Most GPs don't know anything about AAS and how to apply it in practical terms to gain muscle. I'll guarantee if you managed to convince one to prescribe it for the sole purpose of gaining muscle, that they would 100% not advocate prescribing you an anti-e or anti-a.

At the same time they would'nt walk into the gym and start coaching the 120kg beast master lifting a 260kg bar and correct him on his theoretical technique/form based on what he has read in a textbook.

This is where you are doing it wrong. A 10kg gain is a good gain - I'd be keen to put on 10kg in the same amount of time (actual muscle). The problem however is that you could have put the weight on without AAS. You come across like it was only AAS - because you don't have any credible base knowledge in training and diet. Perhaps you do - but you rarely refer to it and therefore it's hard to qualify you.

Most experienced bbr's will always recommend at least get a good baseline in training and nutrition before embarking on AAS use. This is so the person they are coaching has everything they need totake advantage of AAS before they begin a cycle. IMO the most important factor in AAS use is not how to dose, how to come off and/or how to avoid the side effects should you start to get them.... It's how you train, eat and rest. All things you learn and perfect for your body (what works/what doesn't) before you start.

This is why I called you dangerous the other day. The gains you have made are not at all better than the gains I made when I first startd out. You simply haven't put enough time into gaining experience in your own body nd how it reacts to training. You come across "as a matter of fact" when challenging guys that have more muscle experience (sometimes decades).

You come across like you have a good brain mate - Your just trying to fly before you have wings IMO. Just take a step back and think about what you post > perhaps start a journal, do a short course in strength training and begin cycling your training so you can begin collecting a vast amount of training experience which will give you the gains and qualify your results.

You may be thinking this is a croc - why should you have to "qualify" when there are others on the site with similar experience etc - - - it's because they didn't create this situation because they showed respect to the "qualified" members, they asked question and didn't ram theories down peoples throats, they were humble and gave thanks ... and they got respect in return.

thanks for your response Optimass, i really enjoyed it.

i strongly believe in nutrition and training over steroid use too.

its purely knowledge of training and nutrition that truly builds the muscle. learning about the physiology and mechanisms of the body you are able to maximize your leverage, prevent injury, create a greater overload, isolate a muscle, incorporate more muscles along with many other practical functions. alot of people go by feel and altough this works, they never really understand how they are affecting their bodies when they workout. let me give you can example; where you position your feet,knees and hips or having a slight shoulder rotation can significantly change the dynamics of any lift and possibly cause/prevent injury. same goes for nutrition in the regard of what calories you eat and how nutritional they are, how often you eat and what you eat in what quantity?

people will always go by feel with exercise, which above steroid use and nutrition, could be the biggest mistake you can make for building muscle. without knowing how to function the body there is no point eating, there is not point using steroids and there is no point even walking into the gym. sure you could say the same thing about nutrition, but lets get serious, if you really had to, you could eat anything and everything you saw and still grow, im sure you know this well.

could you fathom the idea that i have more of a grasp on nutrition and training than i do about steroid use, as surprising as that may seem? i never contribute to the training/nutritional forums as everyone has their own agenda.

the reason why i say that building muscle is relative to how much steroids you use is simply because if your training and nutrition is down-pat, the amount of weight you can lift and food you can utilize will be factored by how much drugs you use. [time is an uncontrollable variable.] im not giving license for any imbecile here to use 1g of test for their first cycle.

before anyone takes a stab at me, yes, i already know the mistakes which i made in my last cycle and i also will be eating alot more in my up coming one, so there is no need to express your concerns, thanks. :wink:

[maassive]

i did'nt even read your post, but reason why everyone dislikes you is because you act like you have the knowledge and 'experience' when you have very little. Don't act like you know everything, when you don't and people will respect you.

that.

[rovr4on]

there we go again, acting like you know everything, attempting to teach those who are more experienced than you. should just be humble and step away from the computer...