Clen

[musclenz]

Just clen by itself sifo?

Yes indeed Chemo. I have documented proof that for me Clen did indeed have an anabolic effect.

My second comp clean of all enhancements I was dieting hard and losing far to much mass to the percentage of bodyfat. At 4 weeks out I began clen at a bodyfat of 6% and from the time I started taking clen to before I began dehydrating I had lost 2% bodyfat and gained just under a kg of weight on the scales.

Maybe you just trained hard for a change Sifo :pfft:

[WANABJAKD]

My first "cycle" was 3 weeks of clen, without AAS.

Was interesting.

On paper its supposed to be muscle sparing, and a drug to increase LBM.

But the majority of the BB community vouch for it being catabolic.

I did the 5 days on 2 off cycle, and compensated for the catabolism with a lot of protein, I put on 1kg and didnt change in BF. In fact I felt it didn't really attack my bf so much. No sweats, no super thermogenic symptoms. Perhaps all that whey spiked my insulin too much. Or my fat intake was too high. I was on a low carb diet.

I went back and looked at international boards (shoulda done that to begin with. durp) And most were saying that the fatloss, clen is well known for is coupled with a test base, and that those thermogenic symptoms I expected to experience were really only present when clen was run alongside test. Sweating, heat etc.

I got the shakes, so it was definitely working, not sure on how accurate the dosage was. After that I wouldnt run it solo myself, but im willing to give it one more try with a solid AAS base

first of all you dont know what your talking about, so dont embarrass yourself.

clenbuterol is anabolic and has the ability of increasing protein while reducing fat content. - there is research to back this up

clenbuterol is not synergistic with testosterone, i think you need to google the term synergy. clenbuterol causes fat loss by agonising the b2 receptor causing you to incease your body temperature(and a few other things).

testosterone on the other hand causes fat loss through lypolysis by freeing up fatty acids in the form of triglycerides.

f*ck off M8 you are pissing me off with this sort of advise

im glad you explained yourself musclenz...im refering to the actual syngery, when a functional expression is elaborated by two agents such as GHRP and GHRH for gh secretion, testosterone and dihydrotestosterone for building muscle and strength or even prolactin, estrogen and progesterone for lactation in pregnant females. how on earth does testosterone have any syngery with clen?

[WANABJAKD]

here is an article which mostly refers to human research corroborating with rat studies.

Clenbuterol is an adrenergic stimulant and has been available for use as a bronchodilator in Europe since 1977. It is distributed as tablets, solutions, drops and syrups.(4) Typically used in aerosolized, inhaled form to reverse bronchial constriction.(6) Clenbuterol is banned for both animal and human use in the United States.(5) It is banned by the USOC and IOC. The USOC bans the use of all beta 2 agonists other than those approved for used in medical treatment of asthma. It is used in the livestock industry to increase lean muscle mass while retarding adipose tissue deposition in growing animals.(6)

Athletes are using clenbuterol to help build muscle. Its use resulted in expulsion of Jud Logan, hammer thrower and Bonnie Dasse, shot-putter from the 1992 Summer Olympic Games.(5)

Drugs that simultaneously increase lean muscle and retard fat deposition are being referred to as repartitioning agents.(6) It appears that clenbuterol is able to induce a muscular growth response which is true hypertrophy.(4) It exerts two distinct effects in which athletes are interested. It increases the rate of muscle protein deposition and promotes lipolysis. Apparently, clenbuterol suppresses protein degradation more than it enhances synthesis of protein. In rats, it has caused hypertrophy, not hyperplasia, of skeletal and cardiac muscle.(6)

Animal studies on clenbuterol have shown a significant muscle building effect. Some animal studies suggest that clenbuterol may have legitimate therapeutic uses in the treatment of muscle wasting disorders.(4) A rat study published in 1996 suggested an increase in muscle mass due to hypertrophy (increase in myofibrillar protein). Force generating ability increased, but force/gram of muscle was unchanged. "The finding that clenbuterol hastens fatigue during short-term, intense muscle contractions implies that beta-agonists may not be appropriate for some conditions." (1) The lipolysis effect is not consistent throughout all species in which it has been tested.

(6) Studies with similar drugs on humans point to a anti-catabolic effect. This means these drugs prevent breakdown of muscle. The theory is that if the body does not break down muscle as easily, it can ultimately build more muscle.

Adverse effects include tachycardia, palpitations, nosebleeds, dizziness, nervousness, muscle aches and pains, severe headaches, alternating fever and chills, increased sensitivity to stress, irritability, violent muscle tremors, myocardial infarction, stroke and hemorrhaging. Some studies noted an increase in cancerous tumors in offspring of animals that had been administered beta agonists.(3)

Athletes take clenbuterol in capsular or tablet(20mcg) form, not by inhalation. Dosage is usually four to eight tables daily.(2) A schedule of three weeks on, three weeks off is used. During the "on" period the drug is taken for two consecutive days and discontinued for two days. Presumably this avoids some of the receptor down-regulation. It is often taken along with niacin with the idea of improving muscle blood flow and, thereby, the distribution of the drug. Some athletes take Sudafed, ephedrine or phenylpropanolamine during the two day "off" period with the hope of thwarting down-regulation.(6)

1 Dodd, S., et. al. "Effects of clenbuterol on contractile and biochemical properties of skeletal muscle" Medicine and Science in Sport and Exercise 28(6):669-676, 1996.

2 Duchaine, D. Underground Steroid Handbook (II) Update:1992. Daniel Duchaine: USA, pp. 31-44.

3 Goldman, G. "Clenbuterol The Dangers of a New Growth Drug" The Professional Journal of Sports Fitness, Fall, 1992

4 Green, G. "Clenbuterol: A new Anabolic Drug?" Sports Medicine Digest 15(8):1-2, 1993.

5 "News Briefs" Physician and Sports Medicine 20(10):19-20, 1992

6 Prather, I., et. al. "Clenbuterol: a substitute for anabolic steroids?" Medicine and Science in Sport and Exercise 27(8):1118-1119, 1995.

btw whats wrong with research on rats? why is it thought to be so inconclusive when we are both mammals and birth offsprings. we are both warm blooded; rats eat everything we do and live where we live.

more importantly, rats and humans often suffer from the same diseases. thats because humans and rats have the same basic physiology, similar organs, and similar body layouts. We both control our body chemistry using similar hormones, we both have nervous systems that work in the same way and we both respond similarly to infection and injury. theres no doubt that research on rats has done alot in advancing modern medicine.

despite the medical progression made from rat testing, the ethics of animal testing can be pretty "gloomy" but that definitely isnt because animal testing tells us nothing about humans, but rather because it so often does.

in conclusion, i could put up hundreds of articles which display its anabolic properties on rats if you like?

[WANABJAKD]

P.S

what in the medical community is regarded to be a large(maximum) dose of clenbuterol, is what is regarded to be a standard dose in the bodybuilding community.

clenbuterol like anything that expends alot of calories is going to be catabolic. so what does tell us? a high dose of clen with a restricted diet or without anabolics is going to produce a catabolic effect.

[genetic freek]

here is an article which mostly refers to human research corroborating with rat studies.

Clenbuterol is an adrenergic stimulant and has been available for use as a bronchodilator in Europe since 1977. It is distributed as tablets, solutions, drops and syrups.(4) Typically used in aerosolized, inhaled form to reverse bronchial constriction.(6) Clenbuterol is banned for both animal and human use in the United States.(5) It is banned by the USOC and IOC. The USOC bans the use of all beta 2 agonists other than those approved for used in medical treatment of asthma. It is used in the livestock industry to increase lean muscle mass while retarding adipose tissue deposition in growing animals.(6)

Athletes are using clenbuterol to help build muscle. Its use resulted in expulsion of Jud Logan, hammer thrower and Bonnie Dasse, shot-putter from the 1992 Summer Olympic Games.(5)

Drugs that simultaneously increase lean muscle and retard fat deposition are being referred to as repartitioning agents.(6) It appears that clenbuterol is able to induce a muscular growth response which is true hypertrophy.(4) It exerts two distinct effects in which athletes are interested. It increases the rate of muscle protein deposition and promotes lipolysis. Apparently, clenbuterol suppresses protein degradation more than it enhances synthesis of protein. In rats, it has caused hypertrophy, not hyperplasia, of skeletal and cardiac muscle.(6)

Animal studies on clenbuterol have shown a significant muscle building effect. Some animal studies suggest that clenbuterol may have legitimate therapeutic uses in the treatment of muscle wasting disorders.(4) A rat study published in 1996 suggested an increase in muscle mass due to hypertrophy (increase in myofibrillar protein). Force generating ability increased, but force/gram of muscle was unchanged. "The finding that clenbuterol hastens fatigue during short-term, intense muscle contractions implies that beta-agonists may not be appropriate for some conditions." (1) The lipolysis effect is not consistent throughout all species in which it has been tested.

(6) Studies with similar drugs on humans point to a anti-catabolic effect. This means these drugs prevent breakdown of muscle. The theory is that if the body does not break down muscle as easily, it can ultimately build more muscle.

Adverse effects include tachycardia, palpitations, nosebleeds, dizziness, nervousness, muscle aches and pains, severe headaches, alternating fever and chills, increased sensitivity to stress, irritability, violent muscle tremors, myocardial infarction, stroke and hemorrhaging. Some studies noted an increase in cancerous tumors in offspring of animals that had been administered beta agonists.(3)

Athletes take clenbuterol in capsular or tablet(20mcg) form, not by inhalation. Dosage is usually four to eight tables daily.(2) A schedule of three weeks on, three weeks off is used. During the "on" period the drug is taken for two consecutive days and discontinued for two days. Presumably this avoids some of the receptor down-regulation. It is often taken along with niacin with the idea of improving muscle blood flow and, thereby, the distribution of the drug. Some athletes take Sudafed, ephedrine or phenylpropanolamine during the two day "off" period with the hope of thwarting down-regulation.(6)

1 Dodd, S., et. al. "Effects of clenbuterol on contractile and biochemical properties of skeletal muscle" Medicine and Science in Sport and Exercise 28(6):669-676, 1996.

2 Duchaine, D. Underground Steroid Handbook (II) Update:1992. Daniel Duchaine: USA, pp. 31-44.

3 Goldman, G. "Clenbuterol The Dangers of a New Growth Drug" The Professional Journal of Sports Fitness, Fall, 1992

4 Green, G. "Clenbuterol: A new Anabolic Drug?" Sports Medicine Digest 15(8):1-2, 1993.

5 "News Briefs" Physician and Sports Medicine 20(10):19-20, 1992

6 Prather, I., et. al. "Clenbuterol: a substitute for anabolic steroids?" Medicine and Science in Sport and Exercise 27(8):1118-1119, 1995.

btw whats wrong with research on rats? why is it thought to be so inconclusive when we are both mammals and birth offsprings. we are both warm blooded; rats eat everything we do and live where we live.

more importantly, rats and humans often suffer from the same diseases. thats because humans and rats have the same basic physiology, similar organs, and similar body layouts. We both control our body chemistry using similar hormones, we both have nervous systems that work in the same way and we both respond similarly to infection and injury. theres no doubt that research on rats has done alot in advancing modern medicine.

despite the medical progression made from rat testing, the ethics of animal testing can be pretty "gloomy" but that definitely isnt because animal testing tells us nothing about humans, but rather because it so often does.

in conclusion, i could put up hundreds of articles which display its anabolic properties on rats if you like?

Does all this copy and pasting make you huge?

[samoan_muscle]

here is an article which mostly refers to human research corroborating with rat studies.

Clenbuterol is an adrenergic stimulant and has been available for use as a bronchodilator in Europe since 1977. It is distributed as tablets, solutions, drops and syrups.(4) Typically used in aerosolized, inhaled form to reverse bronchial constriction.(6) Clenbuterol is banned for both animal and human use in the United States.(5) It is banned by the USOC and IOC. The USOC bans the use of all beta 2 agonists other than those approved for used in medical treatment of asthma. It is used in the livestock industry to increase lean muscle mass while retarding adipose tissue deposition in growing animals.(6)

Athletes are using clenbuterol to help build muscle. Its use resulted in expulsion of Jud Logan, hammer thrower and Bonnie Dasse, shot-putter from the 1992 Summer Olympic Games.(5)

Drugs that simultaneously increase lean muscle and retard fat deposition are being referred to as repartitioning agents.(6) It appears that clenbuterol is able to induce a muscular growth response which is true hypertrophy.(4) It exerts two distinct effects in which athletes are interested. It increases the rate of muscle protein deposition and promotes lipolysis. Apparently, clenbuterol suppresses protein degradation more than it enhances synthesis of protein. In rats, it has caused hypertrophy, not hyperplasia, of skeletal and cardiac muscle.(6)

Animal studies on clenbuterol have shown a significant muscle building effect. Some animal studies suggest that clenbuterol may have legitimate therapeutic uses in the treatment of muscle wasting disorders.(4) A rat study published in 1996 suggested an increase in muscle mass due to hypertrophy (increase in myofibrillar protein). Force generating ability increased, but force/gram of muscle was unchanged. "The finding that clenbuterol hastens fatigue during short-term, intense muscle contractions implies that beta-agonists may not be appropriate for some conditions." (1) The lipolysis effect is not consistent throughout all species in which it has been tested.

(6) Studies with similar drugs on humans point to a anti-catabolic effect. This means these drugs prevent breakdown of muscle. The theory is that if the body does not break down muscle as easily, it can ultimately build more muscle.

Adverse effects include tachycardia, palpitations, nosebleeds, dizziness, nervousness, muscle aches and pains, severe headaches, alternating fever and chills, increased sensitivity to stress, irritability, violent muscle tremors, myocardial infarction, stroke and hemorrhaging. Some studies noted an increase in cancerous tumors in offspring of animals that had been administered beta agonists.(3)

Athletes take clenbuterol in capsular or tablet(20mcg) form, not by inhalation. Dosage is usually four to eight tables daily.(2) A schedule of three weeks on, three weeks off is used. During the "on" period the drug is taken for two consecutive days and discontinued for two days. Presumably this avoids some of the receptor down-regulation. It is often taken along with niacin with the idea of improving muscle blood flow and, thereby, the distribution of the drug. Some athletes take Sudafed, ephedrine or phenylpropanolamine during the two day "off" period with the hope of thwarting down-regulation.(6)

1 Dodd, S., et. al. "Effects of clenbuterol on contractile and biochemical properties of skeletal muscle" Medicine and Science in Sport and Exercise 28(6):669-676, 1996.

2 Duchaine, D. Underground Steroid Handbook (II) Update:1992. Daniel Duchaine: USA, pp. 31-44.

3 Goldman, G. "Clenbuterol The Dangers of a New Growth Drug" The Professional Journal of Sports Fitness, Fall, 1992

4 Green, G. "Clenbuterol: A new Anabolic Drug?" Sports Medicine Digest 15(8):1-2, 1993.

5 "News Briefs" Physician and Sports Medicine 20(10):19-20, 1992

6 Prather, I., et. al. "Clenbuterol: a substitute for anabolic steroids?" Medicine and Science in Sport and Exercise 27(8):1118-1119, 1995.

btw whats wrong with research on rats? why is it thought to be so inconclusive when we are both mammals and birth offsprings. we are both warm blooded; rats eat everything we do and live where we live.

more importantly, rats and humans often suffer from the same diseases. thats because humans and rats have the same basic physiology, similar organs, and similar body layouts. We both control our body chemistry using similar hormones, we both have nervous systems that work in the same way and we both respond similarly to infection and injury. theres no doubt that research on rats has done alot in advancing modern medicine.

despite the medical progression made from rat testing, the ethics of animal testing can be pretty "gloomy" but that definitely isnt because animal testing tells us nothing about humans, but rather because it so often does.

in conclusion, i could put up hundreds of articles which display its anabolic properties on rats if you like?

Its well known that this is a highly debatable subject.

Do you have any studies done on humans which show a significant muscle building effect? Probably not because i dont think any have been done.

These rat type studies are posted all over the internet, theyre not hard to find.

I guess what we would like to see, is personal experience (which you dont rate highly). Have you experienced clens muscle building effects or anti-catabolic properties?

Sifo is a great example. Read his post.

[maassive]

here is an article which mostly refers to human research corroborating with rat studies.

Clenbuterol is an adrenergic stimulant and has been available for use as a bronchodilator in Europe since 1977. It is distributed as tablets, solutions, drops and syrups.(4) Typically used in aerosolized, inhaled form to reverse bronchial constriction.(6) Clenbuterol is banned for both animal and human use in the United States.(5) It is banned by the USOC and IOC. The USOC bans the use of all beta 2 agonists other than those approved for used in medical treatment of asthma. It is used in the livestock industry to increase lean muscle mass while retarding adipose tissue deposition in growing animals.(6)

Athletes are using clenbuterol to help build muscle. Its use resulted in expulsion of Jud Logan, hammer thrower and Bonnie Dasse, shot-putter from the 1992 Summer Olympic Games.(5)

Drugs that simultaneously increase lean muscle and retard fat deposition are being referred to as repartitioning agents.(6) It appears that clenbuterol is able to induce a muscular growth response which is true hypertrophy.(4) It exerts two distinct effects in which athletes are interested. It increases the rate of muscle protein deposition and promotes lipolysis. Apparently, clenbuterol suppresses protein degradation more than it enhances synthesis of protein. In rats, it has caused hypertrophy, not hyperplasia, of skeletal and cardiac muscle.(6)

Animal studies on clenbuterol have shown a significant muscle building effect. Some animal studies suggest that clenbuterol may have legitimate therapeutic uses in the treatment of muscle wasting disorders.(4) A rat study published in 1996 suggested an increase in muscle mass due to hypertrophy (increase in myofibrillar protein). Force generating ability increased, but force/gram of muscle was unchanged. "The finding that clenbuterol hastens fatigue during short-term, intense muscle contractions implies that beta-agonists may not be appropriate for some conditions." (1) The lipolysis effect is not consistent throughout all species in which it has been tested.

(6) Studies with similar drugs on humans point to a anti-catabolic effect. This means these drugs prevent breakdown of muscle. The theory is that if the body does not break down muscle as easily, it can ultimately build more muscle.

Adverse effects include tachycardia, palpitations, nosebleeds, dizziness, nervousness, muscle aches and pains, severe headaches, alternating fever and chills, increased sensitivity to stress, irritability, violent muscle tremors, myocardial infarction, stroke and hemorrhaging. Some studies noted an increase in cancerous tumors in offspring of animals that had been administered beta agonists.(3)

Athletes take clenbuterol in capsular or tablet(20mcg) form, not by inhalation. Dosage is usually four to eight tables daily.(2) A schedule of three weeks on, three weeks off is used. During the "on" period the drug is taken for two consecutive days and discontinued for two days. Presumably this avoids some of the receptor down-regulation. It is often taken along with niacin with the idea of improving muscle blood flow and, thereby, the distribution of the drug. Some athletes take Sudafed, ephedrine or phenylpropanolamine during the two day "off" period with the hope of thwarting down-regulation.(6)

1 Dodd, S., et. al. "Effects of clenbuterol on contractile and biochemical properties of skeletal muscle" Medicine and Science in Sport and Exercise 28(6):669-676, 1996.

2 Duchaine, D. Underground Steroid Handbook (II) Update:1992. Daniel Duchaine: USA, pp. 31-44.

3 Goldman, G. "Clenbuterol The Dangers of a New Growth Drug" The Professional Journal of Sports Fitness, Fall, 1992

4 Green, G. "Clenbuterol: A new Anabolic Drug?" Sports Medicine Digest 15(8):1-2, 1993.

5 "News Briefs" Physician and Sports Medicine 20(10):19-20, 1992

6 Prather, I., et. al. "Clenbuterol: a substitute for anabolic steroids?" Medicine and Science in Sport and Exercise 27(8):1118-1119, 1995.

btw whats wrong with research on rats? why is it thought to be so inconclusive when we are both mammals and birth offsprings. we are both warm blooded; rats eat everything we do and live where we live.

more importantly, rats and humans often suffer from the same diseases. thats because humans and rats have the same basic physiology, similar organs, and similar body layouts. We both control our body chemistry using similar hormones, we both have nervous systems that work in the same way and we both respond similarly to infection and injury. theres no doubt that research on rats has done alot in advancing modern medicine.

despite the medical progression made from rat testing, the ethics of animal testing can be pretty "gloomy" but that definitely isnt because animal testing tells us nothing about humans, but rather because it so often does.

in conclusion, i could put up hundreds of articles which display its anabolic properties on rats if you like?

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[samoan_muscle]

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LOL.

[WANABJAKD]

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the references are right there.

[HarryB]

Why are we even debating an article about rats and how it applies to humans? lol... WBJ one day you will get the respect you work so hard to get... and that day will probably be when you have done something noteworthy with your own training and physique. No bulking up to 82 kilos and deadlifting 200k while gassed to the eyeballs isn't noteworthy in a respectable sense, more noteworthy for how lame it is.

[maassive]

illiterate. LOL, that's a good one coming from a guy whose hopeless written grammar is only exceeded by his inability to look like he weighs more than an 8 year old girl.

I'm not talking about the footnotes, which you did put in, and thanks, that is helpful.

What I am referring to is the place from which you performed your epic copy-and-paste in the first place. I.e. if you quote an article in research, you always introduce the article by citing its reference. If you do that, then you don't need to push control-v so often, and that means giving your puny fingers the rest that we all know you need.

Got it?

[WANABJAKD]

illiterate. LOL, that's a good one coming from a guy whose hopeless written grammar is only exceeded by his inability to look like he weighs more than an 8 year old girl.

I'm not talking about the footnotes, which you did put in, and thanks, that is helpful.

What I am referring to is the place from which you performed your epic copy-and-paste in the first place. I.e. if you quote an article in research, you always introduce the article by citing its reference. If you do that, then you don't need to push control-v so often, and that means giving your puny fingers the rest that we all know you need.

Got it?

those are not footnotes, they are references. if you wanted the website for the extracted article, then that is another request.

http://www.youcanbefit.com/clen.html

this serves no purpose as it is an interpretation of the references provided.

[HarryB]

illiterate. LOL, that's a good one coming from a guy whose hopeless written grammar is only exceeded by his inability to look like he weighs more than an 8 year old girl.

I'm not talking about the footnotes, which you did put in, and thanks, that is helpful.

What I am referring to is the place from which you performed your epic copy-and-paste in the first place. I.e. if you quote an article in research, you always introduce the article by citing its reference. If you do that, then you don't need to push control-v so often, and that means giving your puny fingers the rest that we all know you need.

Got it?

those are not footnotes, they are references. if you wanted the website for the extracted article, then that is another request.

http://www.youcanbefit.com/clen.html

this serves no purpose as it is an interpretation of the references provided.

Ummm I think you just confirmed what he said WBJ... google "intelligent retorts" and cut and paste something from there.. that'll teach him lol

[Mike Zero]

illiterate. LOL, that's a good one coming from a guy whose hopeless written grammar is only exceeded by his inability to look like he weighs more than an 8 year old girl.

I'm not talking about the footnotes, which you did put in, and thanks, that is helpful.

What I am referring to is the place from which you performed your epic copy-and-paste in the first place. I.e. if you quote an article in research, you always introduce the article by citing its reference. If you do that, then you don't need to push control-v so often, and that means giving your puny fingers the rest that we all know you need.

Got it?

those are not footnotes, they are references. if you wanted the website for the extracted article, then that is another request.

http://www.youcanbefit.com/clen.html

this serves no purpose as it is an interpretation of the references provided.

It is a subjective interpretation of the references provided.

[WANABJAKD]

illiterate. LOL, that's a good one coming from a guy whose hopeless written grammar is only exceeded by his inability to look like he weighs more than an 8 year old girl.

I'm not talking about the footnotes, which you did put in, and thanks, that is helpful.

What I am referring to is the place from which you performed your epic copy-and-paste in the first place. I.e. if you quote an article in research, you always introduce the article by citing its reference. If you do that, then you don't need to push control-v so often, and that means giving your puny fingers the rest that we all know you need.

Got it?

those are not footnotes, they are references. if you wanted the website for the extracted article, then that is another request.

http://www.youcanbefit.com/clen.html

this serves no purpose as it is an interpretation of the references provided.

Ummm I think you just confirmed what he said WBJ... google "intelligent retorts" and cut and paste something from there.. that'll teach him lol

they are both references and footnotes, happy? he was requesting the website which i extracted the article from, that is another request. sorry for the confusion.

[Sifo-Dyas]

I like Clen. It works great foor me!

Wow in 8 words I have offered up 10 times more useful and relevant information than the last 10 posts about some irrelevant, regurgitated rat study :roll:

[Chemo]

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Cool story bro.

Interesting you saying its anabolic Sifo, I guess I too put on mass but didn't move in BF so would be anabolic. Still wouldn't try it without test though n___n I needs me that enhancement.

Could you explain the difference or different feeling of clen when on test?

[musclenz]

first of all you dont know what your talking about, so dont embarrass yourself.

clenbuterol is anabolic and has the ability of increasing protein while reducing fat content. - there is research to back this up

clenbuterol is not synergistic with testosterone, i think you need to google the term synergy. clenbuterol causes fat loss by agonising the b2 receptor causing you to incease your body temperature(and a few other things).

testosterone on the other hand causes fat loss through lypolysis by freeing up fatty acids in the form of triglycerides.

f*ck off M8 you are pissing me off with this sort of advise

im glad you explained yourself musclenz...im refering to the actual syngery, when a functional expression is elaborated by two agents such as GHRP and GHRH for gh secretion, testosterone and dihydrotestosterone for building muscle and strength or even prolactin, estrogen and progesterone for lactation in pregnant females. how on earth does testosterone have any syngery with clen?

I guessClen is not actually synergistic with testosterone. Maybe I took you out of context but to me it implied that it does not run well with testosterone which I disagree with of course I think I have posted this before on another Clen thread. I'm not actually going to justify my self again but from personal experience & from studies done, Clenbuterol can be both Catabolic & Anabolic in its use.

With TESTOSTERONE & other AAS it can be used on a growth cycle & is regarded as being anabolic if used properly with additional protein BCAAs & Taurine. Its almost catabolic actions are incorporated into your workout to force muscle fascia breakdown. We all know how painful the pumps can be. Its a matter of harnessing this action in your workout to provide additional stimulus to the muscle which will then last well after a big workout.

As a stand alone drug it can be catabolic in a calorie reduced diet without the increased protein synthesis resulting from the actions of gear. However, as Sifo pointed out it you have everything else dialed in properly this can be minimal or even reversed in some cases & its then effective as a thermogenic primarily. This may be subject to dose though I would suggest. Anything over 150mcg ed is likely to be catabolic if used for more than 4 weeks in a row.

Reference : "I don't give a Rats Arse about your study" :pfft:

[thatwaslight]

LISTEN TO THE SHAMAN

[severe]

FFS, really? Why on all the forums I lurk, is there someone who claims to be the guru, but by his posts, shows he isn't. When you are surrounded by people who know, best to keep it to personal experience. though even then, we would know.

Amazing what you find online:

[Chemo]

lol classic

[maassive]

love the pic!

Just got back from my 24hr suspension. Apparently calling jackoff a fuckface is too abusive.

Lol, sorry jackoff. Anyway, thanks for posting the source of your website article and for doing all that hard work on google.

now back to the topic at hand. One question I have about Clen is that I've heard that it's extremely toxic to run. Has anyone noticed any effects viz a viz this?

Also musclenz - why taurine? how does that inhibit catabolic activity?

[Specter]

love the pic!

Just got back from my 24hr suspension. Apparently calling jackoff a fuckface is too abusive.

Lol, sorry jackoff. Anyway, thanks for posting the source of your website article and for doing all that hard work on google.

now back to the topic at hand. One question I have about Clen is that I've heard that it's extremely toxic to run. Has anyone noticed any effects viz a viz this?

Also musclenz - why taurine? how does that inhibit catabolic activity?

Where did you hear that? Just to elaborate a bit more..How toxic just out of interest?

[maassive]

heard it through the brovine - as in, heard it from a massive guy at the gym.

That's why I'm asking. I will also have a look for some articles about it but just thought I'd ask to start off in case someone's heard about it.