New to roids? Do your research here

[maassive]

one of the most frequently occurring comments made to noobs on the topic of roids is 'make sure you do your research'.

We all know that there is plenty of info out there on the side-effects of roids (though one wonders how much of it is spread for the sole purpose of putting people off them?)

What I would like to see here is a thread that points out really good articles (not just gymrat bullshit) and places to do research on what AAS really is, how it works, what an ester is, etc.

So if you know of a good site or article, please be kind enough to mention it here for the benefit of others.

oh, and one more thing: WANNABJAKD, you can keep your fucked up advice out of this.

[samoan_muscle]

Great 1st post! :clap: :-s

[holdenman]

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=steroid

[thatwaslight]

Good idea, however the great thing about this forum is there are several accomplished guys on here who can give you practical advice that comes from EXPERIENCE, there are also the scientific explanations but IMO that is the least important thing you need to worry about as a noob, although interesting the fact is for someone looking to do their first cycle of test e @250-500mg for 12-15 weeks it's pretty basic you don't need to be doing 400 level endo papers to complete a successful cycle.

1. Yes you should do an injetable cycle of a testosterone ester

2. Yes you should have serms or ai's on hand

3. Yes your natural production of testosterone will be shut down

4. Yes it will come back to normal post cycle (unless your very unlucky)

5. Yes there will be side effects, HOWEVER no one can tell you what YOU will experience, only what you MIGHT experience.. everyone is different!

6. Yes there are risks, permanent shutdown, infertility, prostate inlargment, and many more but from the people I know I have never seen any irrevesable damage done.

7. Yes you should talk to someone who has been around the block, not just someone posting on the Internet! They could be 75kgs telling you how successful their cycles have been! LOL

IMO people get too carried away with the science of aas when they should be focusing on their training and nutrition THAT'S RIGHT KIDS THEY ARE BOTH IMPORTANT!

The most important thing a newbie should have is a sound understanding of nutrition not gh secretagogs lol I don't know how to spell it.

This of course is just my opinion and should be taken with a grain of salt as I'm still a noob myself but in my limited experience these are the things I have learned.

[train hard]

Good idea, however the great thing about this forum is there are several accomplished guys on here who can give you practical advice that comes from EXPERIENCE, there are also the scientific explanations but IMO that is the least important thing you need to worry about as a noob, although interesting the fact is for someone looking to do their first cycle of test e @250-500mg for 12-15 weeks it's pretty basic you don't need to be doing 400 level endo papers to complete a successful cycle.

1. Yes you should do an injetable cycle of a testosterone ester

2. Yes you should have serms or ai's on hand

3. Yes your natural production of testosterone will be shut down

4. Yes it will come back to normal post cycle (unless your very unlucky)

5. Yes there will be side effects, HOWEVER no one can tell you what YOU will experience, only what you MIGHT experience.. everyone is different!

6. Yes there are risks, permanent shutdown, infertility, prostate inlargment, and many more but from the people I know I have never seen any irrevesable damage done.

7. Yes you should talk to someone who has been around the block, not just someone posting on the Internet! They could be 75kgs telling you how successful their cycles have been! LOL

IMO people get too carried away with the science of aas when they should be focusing on their training and nutrition THAT'S RIGHT KIDS THEY ARE BOTH IMPORTANT!

The most important thing a newbie should have is a sound understanding of nutrition not gh secretagogs lol I don't know how to spell it.

This of course is just my opinion and should be taken with a grain of salt as I'm still a noob myself but in my limited experience these are the things I have learned.[/quote

agree with above

[train hard]

Good idea, however the great thing about this forum is there are several accomplished guys on here who can give you practical advice that comes from EXPERIENCE, there are also the scientific explanations but IMO that is the least important thing you need to worry about as a noob, although interesting the fact is for someone looking to do their first cycle of test e @250-500mg for 12-15 weeks it's pretty basic you don't need to be doing 400 level endo papers to complete a successful cycle.

1. Yes you should do an injetable cycle of a testosterone ester

2. Yes you should have serms or ai's on hand

3. Yes your natural production of testosterone will be shut down

4. Yes it will come back to normal post cycle (unless your very unlucky)

5. Yes there will be side effects, HOWEVER no one can tell you what YOU will experience, only what you MIGHT experience.. everyone is different!

6. Yes there are risks, permanent shutdown, infertility, prostate inlargment, and many more but from the people I know I have never seen any irrevesable damage done.

7. Yes you should talk to someone who has been around the block, not just someone posting on the Internet! They could be 75kgs telling you how successful their cycles have been! LOL

IMO people get too carried away with the science of aas when they should be focusing on their training and nutrition THAT'S RIGHT KIDS THEY ARE BOTH IMPORTANT!

The most important thing a newbie should have is a sound understanding of nutrition not gh secretagogs lol I don't know how to spell it.

This of course is just my opinion and should be taken with a grain of salt as I'm still a noob myself but in my limited experience these are the things I have learned.

agree with above

[severe]

TWL +1

Also, listen to the majority of people talking, not the minority that says what you want to hear.

[Android]

Few more questions a first timer might want to know...

How can one try and get gear legally?

Do i get blood tests before i begin? Afterwards?

Where best to pin?

What can I expect to "feel" when on gear?

When best to pin for the ester I am taking?

Whats the difference going to be for 8wk cycle compared to 16wk cycle?

Where do I get my pins from?

What can go wrong with pinning in different sites, with different compounds?

How or do I change the way I train? My food intake?

If something goes or feels wrong where can I go?

What are the ramifications of telling my GP? (e.g. possibly voiding future health insurance payments)

How do I come off the cycle properly?

[thatwaslight]

Few more questions a first timer might want to know...

How can one try and get gear legally?

Do i get blood tests before i begin? Afterwards?

Where best to pin?

What can I expect to "feel" when on gear?

When best to pin for the ester I am taking?

Whats the difference going to be for 8wk cycle compared to 16wk cycle?

Where do I get my pins from?

What can go wrong with pinning in different sites, with different compounds?

How or do I change the way I train? My food intake?

If something goes or feels wrong where can I go?

What are the ramifications of telling my GP? (e.g. possibly voiding future health insurance payments)

How do I come off the cycle properly?

Good post mate ESP re telling your gp, I talk my gp and everything is off the record so nothing goes on file I suggest doing the same.

[Chemo]

IMO people get too carried away with the science of aas when they should be focusing on their training and nutrition THAT'S RIGHT KIDS THEY ARE BOTH IMPORTANT!

The most important thing a newbie should have is a sound understanding of nutrition not gh secretagogs lol I don't know how to spell it.

+1 and specifically nutrition for AAS, I wish I ate more whole proteins when i was on, and just ate more in general.

[Chemo]

IMO people get too carried away with the science of aas when they should be focusing on their training and nutrition THAT'S RIGHT KIDS THEY ARE BOTH IMPORTANT!

The most important thing a newbie should have is a sound understanding of nutrition not gh secretagogs lol I don't know how to spell it.

+1 and specifically nutrition for AAS, I wish I ate more whole proteins when i was on, and just ate more in general.

[maassive]

TWL +1

Also, listen to the majority of people talking, not the minority that says what you want to hear.

+1

[maassive]

Where do I get needles from?

All the main cities across NZ have Needle Exchanges or Aids awareness centres that will provide you with all the utensils you will need. Google them to find their locations. They are discreet and non-judgmental and very cheap (or free).

Edit: from 'Beginner's guide to using gear' (on this site). Although I don't agree with usual suspect's recommendation for a first cycle, his advice on where to get needles, + other things like considerations before taking gear is helpful.

[maassive]

Good idea, however the great thing about this forum is there are several accomplished guys on here who can give you practical advice that comes from EXPERIENCE, there are also the scientific explanations but IMO that is the least important thing you need to worry about as a noob

Yes very good point about experience. :nod:

The one thing I would say in response to this however, is that without certain fundamentals just trying to read a forum written by those who are initiated can prove challenging.

I think one needs to include healthy portions of both a basic understand of what steroids actually are and do, as well as an equal measure of reading about others experience.

And one further thing I would add is that if you have decided that you really do want to hit the gear, then make sure you open your own thread up and ask for specific advice on these 3 essentials:

1. Your Diet - seriously, put it up there and let others critique it.

As it has been said many times before, AAS is not a super pill!!! If your diet is shit you will not grow. (For more info about this see WANNABJAKD's post regarding his experience of doing 3 cycles to gain 4 kgs, totaling a mega body mass of 82kg...)

2. Your Training - if you're thinking about doing gear and have spent time researching it, you've probably (hopefully) been training for at least a couple of years seriously. So it follows that your training should be by now past the 'bench press and shoulder machine = chest and delts' workout phase, ie bodytech etc. It's true that opinions on training are more varied than a whore's STDs, but it never hurts to hear some other takes on your programme.

3. Your Cycle - opinions here are worth their weight in gold when they're coming from the big guys who have been around the block a few times. Be sure to check that you've got the right amount of PCT and that you're not gonna f*ck yourself up with a epic mistake

[maassive]

The following are two great sites for an intro to the basics of gear.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anabolic_steroid

http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_article/sex_news_sports_funny_grok/steroids_for_dummies_1

One key caution I would point out is beware of sites that are trying to sell you steroids (like steroid.com). They've obviously got ulterior motives and providing good info is not high on their priority list. IMO I would advise not EVER getting gear from an online source, esp. if you are a noob. Others may disagree and may have had a positive experience, but I know of too many horror stories...

[maassive]

Two good intros:

wikipedia article on aas (duh)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anabolic_steroid

and this one for a breakdown of the different names/types of gear

http://www.t-nation.com/free_online_art ... _dummies_1

[WANABJAKD]

what a stupid thread.

[maassive]

what a stupid thread.

what a stupid name

[Usual Suspect]

3. Your Cycle - opinions here are worth their weight in gold when they're coming from the big guys who have been around the block a few times. Be sure to check that you've got the right amount of PCT and that you're not gonna f*ck yourself up with a epic mistake (like taking 500mg of sus each day as specified by accident I hope in 'beginner's guide to using gear... f*ck!!!???)'

What's wrong with using 3 and a half grams of test per week on your first cycle? It's what the pros use! Lol. No seriously where did you read that? It says 500mg Per week not Per day.

All good questions to be asked, maybe you should have been asking them WANABJKD instead of paying out good threads.

[maassive]

3. Your Cycle - opinions here are worth their weight in gold when they're coming from the big guys who have been around the block a few times. Be sure to check that you've got the right amount of PCT and that you're not gonna f*ck yourself up with a epic mistake (like taking 500mg of sus each day as specified by accident I hope in 'beginner's guide to using gear... f*ck!!!???)'

What's wrong with using 3 and a half grams of test per week on your first cycle? It's what the pros use! Lol. No seriously where did you read that? It says 500mg Per week not Per day.

All good questions to be asked, maybe you should have been asking them WANABJKD instead of paying out good threads.

LOL. f*ck my bad. I read it as perday (like the nolva) the first time and freaked the f*ck out. fail. sorry bro, i've deleted that reference.

[tomsammce]

what a stupid thread.

you're a tool.

[Sifo-Dyas]

For basic foundation information for the inexperienced try an actual book. Much information on the Internet is contradictory and has never seen the light of day on paper.

Most published books on steroids and steroid use safe conservative information from respected authors to give a good understanding so that when you do request some information from an experienced person you trust, you will be able to fully understand the advice you get.

[crazyfacials]

For basic foundation information for the inexperienced try an actual book.

Any recommendations ?