1st Dbol cycle..

[Chemo]

Yeah, just don't wanna get no gyno or anything taking it without anti estro. Maybe I should take Half the recommended armidex dose while I take it. I had read taking milk thistle decreases the effect so app should leave it till after cycle. Or could take 2x5ml doses during day and thistle at night after half life of dbol...

Mate if your going to get armidex for 10mgs of dbol... you should just bank it up.

Some people dont even use PCT at 500mg test.

What you want to do WITH PCT is so overkill. You may as well buy muscletech products. Same price, and will do the same thing....sweet FA.

On another note if this light Dbol cycle happens to shuts you down that can take a while to come right and may have a negitive effect in the long run.

Your endocrine system is pretty darn smart

Still gotta push that injectable cycle on you cuz :nod: lol

Have a read of this.

http://www.superiormuscle.com/forums/anabolic-steroids/43187-10mg-dbol-enough-shut-you-down

[Sifo-Dyas]

Hey guys,

I have recently been encouraged by my mate who has a 45ml vial of dbol to go halves in a 4 week cycle.

Stats: 5'09-10

weight 82kgs

BF% 11-13

Currently bulking

From what I know general dosage is 20-50mg per day. Ideally I'm wanting to start as low as possible, such as 15mg per day and see how that goes. Will this low dose have an effect?

also because of such a low dose, do I still need to take anti estrogen during and PCT after cycle?

Any advice from anyone who has just taken dbol would be much appreciated.

Thanks

My 10c :-)

Dbol cycles on their own are hard to keep the gains and mostly the gains are fluid. Fantastic for strength but to maintain the gains post cycle it is better to be running a quality inj test with it and for a decent duration.

Dbol converts to the worst estrogen for men and it is a good idea to manage this during and after the course. During the course I prefer to use Clomid which is definitely not common or text book but very effective as you will get the full benefit of the dbol without it being able to cause any serious estrogenic activity.

Clomid is a synthetic estrogen with a high receptor binding affinity and a very low activation and will stop the more harmful estrogen from getting in their and running a muck. It will not interfeer with IGF-1 like Nolvadex wich is one major advantage.

PCT is always of benefit and shouldnever be disgarded. You will maintain more gains post cycle with PCT.

Go by feel with the dose of Dbol. Not all Dbol are made equal! I did a course of nthe Thai Dbols that were 5mg tabs but the reaction from them was so strong that I could not take more than 4/day and I blew up like the "stay-puff marshmallow man"

Dbol is a great addition to any course and real bread and butter for stretching the fascia.

[Sifo-Dyas]

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[Sifo-Dyas]

Hey guys,

I have recently been encouraged by my mate who has a 45ml vial of dbol to go halves in a 4 week cycle.

Stats: 5'09-10

weight 82kgs

BF% 11-13

Currently bulking

From what I know general dosage is 20-50mg per day. Ideally I'm wanting to start as low as possible, such as 15mg per day and see how that goes. Will this low dose have an effect?

also because of such a low dose, do I still need to take anti estrogen during and PCT after cycle?

Any advice from anyone who has just taken dbol would be much appreciated.

Thanks

My 10c :-)

Dbol cycles on their own are hard to keep the gains and mostly the gains are fluid. Fantastic for strength but to maintain the gains post cycle it is better to be running a quality inj test with it and for a decent duration.

Dbol converts to the worst estrogen for men and it is a good idea to manage this during and after the course. During the course I prefer to use Clomid which is definitely not common or text book but very effective as you will get the full benefit of the dbol without it being able to cause any serious estrogenic activity.

Clomid is a synthetic estrogen with a high receptor binding affinity and a very low activation and will stop the more harmful estrogen from getting in their and running a muck. It will not interfeer with IGF-1 like Nolvadex wich is one major advantage.

PCT is always of benefit and shouldnever be disgarded. You will maintain more gains post cycle with PCT.

Go by feel with the dose of Dbol. Not all Dbol are made equal! I did a course of nthe Thai Dbols that were 5mg tabs but the reaction from them was so strong that I could not take more than 4/day and I blew up like the "stay-puff marshmallow man"

Dbol is a great addition to any course and real bread and butter for stretching the fascia.

[rovr4on]

thanks guys, chemo that thread made for good reading, was thinking about that pulsing but seemed to be a lot of criticism. So i'll take 20mls per day, 10 in morning and 5 pre and post WO.

I'll get some armidex or clomid, which I will use just in case any symptoms pop up.

Also chemo you mention if i shut down(which is likely) It may take awhile to come back, if I take some PCT would'nt this counter the long term shut down?

Thanks for your 10c Sifo, can I buy clomid OTC in nz?

Thanks

[rovr4on]

this is the one and only time I will do dbol only cycle, just testing waters etc, and as i mentioned before dont have access to test e etc so will work on that. Anyhow will take 30mg for 4-5 weeks with anti estro and PCT at end of cycle. I know alot of you are like "tool" lol

anyhow will take pre pics and stats, after pics and stats aswell as another 5 weeks post cycle pics and stats :roll:

[PeterDolan]

Sounds like you're set on doing this, I wont comment on the effectiveness or the risk vs reward but I'll make a suggestion.

Why not just hold on to the dbol and try over the next couple of months, find a source that has test, then use the dbol?

[Android]

Bluntly: Why haven't our resident dealers PM'd you with offers?

[rovr4on]

Sounds like you're set on doing this, I wont comment on the effectiveness or the risk vs reward but I'll make a suggestion.

Why not just hold on to the dbol and try over the next couple of months, find a source that has test, then use the dbol?

Thanks pete, just curious a's to how there is more risk taking it alone compared to taking same amount of dbol with test e for example? Or is it the fact that same risk, just less effective I presume?

[crazyfacials]

will be keen on seeing how much of the gains you get to keep after your cycle is over

[Yeah-Buddy]

Sounds like you're set on doing this, I wont comment on the effectiveness or the risk vs reward but I'll make a suggestion.

Why not just hold on to the dbol and try over the next couple of months, find a source that has test, then use the dbol?

Thanks pete, just curious a's to how there is more risk taking it alone compared to taking same amount of dbol with test e for example? Or is it the fact that same risk, just less effective I presume?

Pete was saying risk vs reward. There is obvioulsy risk associated with any AAS cycle but the rewards outway the risks in the opinons of users (when running a proper cycle). If your going to do a dbol only cycle it comes down to the associated risks vs next to no reward at the end of the day.

Just keep the dbol until you get hold of some test and run together. Otherwise your just wasting it IMO.

At the end of the day tho just do what you want. Enough people who know more than you have told you otherwise, if you wanna ignore them and do it anyway then go hard :roll:

[PeterDolan]

Basically what YB said.

I'm gonna go WANNABJAKID on you guys for a second but from what I've read, it's just not gonna be that effective unless you ramp up the dosage and run for 6 weeks (increased risk)

[thatwaslight]

Increased risks of what.. getting a double chin?

[Android]

We've all chewed dbols before at sometime off cycle as a pre-workout with no ill effects...am I the only one? surely not

Try it out I think the 15mg will be noticeable on Arms day but on Legs day you'll want 25mg. Have done this before and no worries for 2-3 weeks duration only. Remember having to cut open my shorts at the gym when legs swoled up on it was great.

Don't recall getting big off it but enjoy the workouts and the pumps and see what you think mate.

Not sure how 45ml vial equates to mg tbh

[PeterDolan]

Increased risks of what.. getting a double chin?

That too haha

Just talking of the sides in general, it mightn't be really risky but unless you're gonna get regular check ups then you don't know exactly what's going on inside

[Sifo-Dyas]

thanks guys, chemo that thread made for good reading, was thinking about that pulsing but seemed to be a lot of criticism. So i'll take 20mls per day, 10 in morning and 5 pre and post WO.

I'll get some armidex or clomid, which I will use just in case any symptoms pop up.

Also chemo you mention if i shut down(which is likely) It may take awhile to come back, if I take some PCT would'nt this counter the long term shut down?

Thanks for your 10c Sifo, can I buy clomid OTC in nz?

Thanks

Clomid like dbol is an underground auxillary drug.

Consider for a moment that dbol very quickly shuts down your own natural testosterone production. Naturally you could be producing as much as 12mg of the best quality testosterone around and you are aiming to increase this by just 8mg per day There are OTC products that can more than increase your natural test levels well beyond what you will realise with 20mg of dbol/day.

I would love to see some firm tested results from a dbol only course but 20mg/day is not a course.

You will be disappointed and it may put you off dbol or AAS permanently. The misuse of AAS can lead to misinformation and bad press for the delicate subject of enhanced bodybuilding.

Everyone here where you have posted this thread is kind of saying the same thing so what is the reason for such a low dose? Is it financial? Or is it just for the sake of doing it?

Get in touch with someone you trust and get some more dbols, they are very cheap, and have a decent crack at a dbol only course of 40+mg/day (plus 50mg of prop daily :pray: :wink: :nod: \:D/ )

[Yeah-Buddy]

The misuse of AAS can lead to misinformation and bad press for the delicate subject of enhanced bodybuilding.

:nod: Personally I think this is the biggest issue when it comes to AAS. Its amazing how many people think its so evil because of what theyv heard through the media.

[WANABJAKD]

i have heard guys of successfully making keep-able gains from dbol cycles, even from short cycles like 6 weeks.

if you were to run 40mg for 6-8 weeks, you could make some reasonable and keep-able gains. you would lose alot of strength coming off, aswell as water retention, as with any cycle, but you will hold something. only concern would be hepatotoxicity.

building muscle is all about time...igf takes a long time to mature fibres and hypertrophy is only temporary if it is attained through strength. the best gains you will make are slow gains over time.

rather than all you retards having an agenda, post something constructive with actual weight behind it. i certainly dont advise dbol only cycles; however, there is a right way to do everything.

[samoan_muscle]

i have heard guys of successfully making keep-able gains from dbol cycles, even from short cycles like 6 weeks.

if you were to run 40mg for 6-8 weeks, you could make some reasonable and keep-able gains. you would lose alot of strength coming off, aswell as water retention, as with any cycle, but you will hold something. only concern would be hepatotoxicity.

building muscle is all about time...igf takes a long time to mature fibres and hypertrophy is only temporary if it is attained through strength. the best gains you will make are slow gains over time.

rather than all you retards having an agenda, post something constructive with actual weight behind it. i certainly dont advise dbol only cycles; however, there is a right way to do everything.

Hi. Bye.

[maassive]

geezuz man. Test is really not that hard to come by, seriously. and it's not that expensive either.

Don't make the mistake of snapping up the first thing that comes along because you don't have the patience or maturity to hold off and do things right.

Just steady yourself, use this opportunity to work on getting your routine and nutrition while you source out some test for a decent cycle. Then you can frontload your D-bols while your test boots. It will be like coming, you know with a woman. And then you will be coming day and night, like Arnold.

What are your goals dude? to be a badass and say you did a (puny) cycle of D-bols, or to train hard and train right and get good returns for your hard work?

[thatwaslight]

i have heard guys of successfully making keep-able gains from dbol cycles, even from short cycles like 6 weeks.

if you were to run 40mg for 6-8 weeks, you could make some reasonable and keep-able gains. you would lose alot of strength coming off, aswell as water retention, as with any cycle, but you will hold something. only concern would be hepatotoxicity.

building muscle is all about time...igf takes a long time to mature fibres and hypertrophy is only temporary if it is attained through strength. the best gains you will make are slow gains over time.

rather than all you retards having an agenda, post something constructive with actual weight behind it. i certainly dont advise dbol only cycles; however, there is a right way to do everything.

It seemed to work for you eh?

[Chemo]

:pfft:

[Chemo]

:pfft:

[thatwaslight]

If WANTS2JKDOFF keeps 500grams from a cycle he is happy these are considered reasonable gains

[samoan_muscle]

If WANTS2JKDOFF keeps 500grams from a cycle he is happy these are considered reasonable gains

Extraordinary gains. Lets call it what it is.

TWL just cos you gained 200gms from your first 2 cycles theres no need to hate.