My first cycle, need some ancillary advice

[KJS0ne]

Hi guys. Just popping in here to get your opinion on my upcoming cycle. Not really interested in giving out personal stats because it doesn't really fit in with the commonly accepted practice of maximizing natty gains before moving onto AAS. Anyway...

The plan is to run Test-E @ 500mg p/w for 10 weeks, split into 2 shots of 250, on Monday and Thursday. For PCT I have Clomid @ 50mg for 25 days, could look at getting some more for the extra 5 days if necessary.

Problem is, I am sort of gyno prone. I already have puffy largish nipples. My body fat % is pretty high right now as I'm on a big dirty bulk, and there's slightly more than a handful of soft fat when I squeeze the area, so hopefully it's just the ectomorph fat layout of gut and chest before anything else.

I have some Nolva coming with the package too, atm enough for about 5 weeks. The plan thus far was to take it on cycle to prevent gyno. However there's another (more expensive) option on the table, and that is aromasin. I've heard that Nolva will prevent gyno, but not bloat or roid gut. However aromasin will cover all the bases. Does anyone have experience with aromasin on cycle vs. Nolva, if so could you please give me your recommendation?

Thanks in advance

KJ

[Mrbig]

hay bro

when you say your bodyfat is high how high is it??

doing cycles with high bf can be kinda pointless as your side effects are more especially gyno so why not get your bodyfat down somewhere between 10-15% then start your cycle

I noticed a huge change in cycles when doing one with a decent bodyfat level as apposed to being a fatass

[KJS0ne]

hay bro

when you say your bodyfat is high how high is it??

doing cycles with high bf can be kinda pointless as your side effects are more especially gyno so why not get your bodyfat down somewhere between 10-15% then start your cycle

I noticed a huge change in cycles when doing one with a decent bodyfat level as apposed to being a fatass

Well, I'm not a fatass, I'm an ectomorph, but I'd put my BF% around 15 - 17%

[train hard]

its not ectomorph fat .

fat is fat regardless off body type

[TonganTerror]

its not ectomorph fat .

fat is fat regardless off body type

HAHA BOOM!!!!!!

[HarryB]

When did the body type classifications change so that an ectomorph managed to get fat? I mean no disrespect but I'd always thought a proper ecto was a guy who couldn't gain weight or fat if they tried. Slow gainers but all quality. Add training and drugs and you've got a Flex Wheeler type.

[musclenz]

Clomid is pretty useless as an Anti-E in PCT. Its just used to simulate LH after a cycle. You need Nolva or better still an AI. Aromasin is the most expensive AI but can be useful on cycle. Aromasin is better in PCT. Femara can be used in either at a very low dose. Check around the PCT threads for more information.

[KJS0ne]

Clomid is pretty useless as an Anti-E in PCT. Its just used to simulate LH after a cycle. You need Nolva or better still an AI. Aromasin is the most expensive AI but can be useful on cycle. Aromasin is better in PCT. Femara can be used in either at a very low dose. Check around the PCT threads for more information.

Thanks for the on topic response. I hear a lot of people rating clomid above Nolva for PCT. Especially on places like Elite Fitness and steroidology. Do you know why that might be?

When did the body type classifications change so that an ectomorph managed to get fat? I mean no disrespect but I'd always thought a proper ecto was a guy who couldn't gain weight or fat if they tried. Slow gainers but all quality. Add training and drugs and you've got a Flex Wheeler type.

When an ecto eats 4000+ kcals a day on a dirty-bulk he's gonna put on quite a bit of fat with his muscle gains. What I've noticed with myself and other friends in this situation is that a greater proportion of the fat seems to go to the chest, gut and thighs, while the body itself, especially the limbs remain quite slender. This is why we see people who are skinny fat. with big guts hanging out and stick like arms. Compare this with say the fat layout of the Endomorph, the fat distribution is different. Other hardgainers on the internet i've spoken to share similar experiences.

This seems to be getting a bit sidetracked. I only spoke about my body fat because I am unsure whether I have mild gyno or whether it's just the result of my bulk. As a result of this I am going to take an anti-E on cycle to insure against gyno, and I am looking to see whether I would be better saving up and going with the Aromisin, or ordering another packet of Nolva. The main sticking point I have against going with Nolva is that it doesn't stop bloat/roid gut, and aromasin does iirc.

I am also really keen to hear others opinions on Clomid for pct, as I now have conflicting advice.

Cheers guys

KJ

[KJS0ne]

Hi guys

I just found this article and it has really explained things well:

http://www.silownia.net/steroids/a/12154

Now I'm starting to think aromasin/proviron + nolva for pct might be the way to go.

[musclenz]

Hi guys

I just found this article and it has really explained things well:

http://www.silownia.net/steroids/a/12154

Now I'm starting to think aromasin/proviron + nolva for pct might be the way to go.

Yeah BigCat always liked to have the last say. I agree with his use of Nolva after a PCT using AI's to help avoid rebound. He may not have taken into account that Nolva (Tamoxifen) is catabolic to GH & IGF1 in the body. Do a google on that. Also it can be carcinogenic in long term use. But hey, its been widely used in the BBing community for years. Clomid is a bit harsher drug & as he points out is ineffective value wise compared to Nolva for estrogen control. You need a hell of a lot more to do the same thing. If you can get Aromasin it is regarded as the best AI for men hitting both E1 & E2 in males.