First decent mass stack with HGH

[bigskinny]

Good read. "90kg skull crushers" is a funny exercise to have a goal like that for... Is that using 10-12 reps? Do you do close grip bench mate? If so how much weight if you don't mind me asking.

[Pete_S]

Everything has been going perfectly as planned. Insulin 4 times a week after training with the HGH has had no negative effects to my health and I plan to keep running the course as it is unchanged until the growth stops.

Added a new Training aid that has boosted the training intensity very high.

I have stopped injecting the HGH into biceps as my hands swelled a bit and it effected grip strength. Also had numbness at night in hands.

Strength and weight continues to increase every week way beyond anything I have achieved in the past.

Weight 110.5kg last Sunday April 24th.

Bodyfat 13%

I had the pleasure of training with Musclenz and Oldfella last Saturday. The experience and strength of those two guys must be seen to be believed! Musclenz trains like a freak and Oldfella just doesn't stop. I was humbled and learnt a couple of new tricks.

This weeks goal is to some good clean reps on 600+kg leg press and 90kg skull crushers...failed on that weight last week as the counter balance nearly flipped me off the back of the bench.

Glad its all working out mate things a going well for you

[Sifo-Dyas]

Good read. "90kg skull crushers" is a funny exercise to have a goal like that for... Is that using 10-12 reps? Do you do close grip bench mate? If so how much weight if you don't mind me asking.

I love the skull crusher, its a challenging exercise and much of arm size is in the triceps. If I could crank out 12 it would be too light. Be happy to crank out 5-8 reps at 2 plates a side.

I have only ever close-grip benched on failure of the skull crusher so the max weight again would be 90kg for 10 reps.

[Sifo-Dyas]

Glad its all working out mate things a going well for you

Thanks Pete. I took a lot of what you suggested on board and applied it to my situation and I am getting great results from it

[crazyfacials]

crazy strength there bro...good stuff

[Sifo-Dyas]

Another awesome week. Strength is still through the roof and beyond my best by 50%+.

HGH sub-q and grip strength is improving but feeling and sensitivity in two middle finger tips on each hand has not returned.

Am holding my weight at under 111kg for now wile the body gets used to it. At 109kg the blood pressure took a big unexpected jump which tells me the body is starting to revolt against the 14+kg increase. Blood pressure had normalised by yesterday and will push for a few more kg yet

I added 50mg Clomid twice daily to bring the extra fluid weight back down and have been pissing like a rhino for the last 3 days! Strangely my weight hasn't dropped on the scales for all the fluid loss.

By the end of this course I will have clearly proved many theories on gear and clearly dispelled many others!!

[thatwaslight]

What are these theories mate?

[musclenz]

Another awesome week. Strength is still through the roof and beyond my best by 50%+.

HGH sub-q and grip strength is improving but feeling and sensitivity in two middle finger tips on each hand has not returned.

Am holding my weight at under 111kg for now wile the body gets used to it. At 109kg the blood pressure took a big unexpected jump which tells me the body is starting to revolt against the 14+kg increase. Blood pressure had normalised by yesterday and will push for a few more kg yet

I added 50mg Clomid twice daily to bring the extra fluid weight back down and have been pissing like a rhino for the last 3 days! Strangely my weight hasn't dropped on the scales for all the fluid loss. By the end of this course I will have clearly proved many theories on gear and clearly dispelled many others!!

Interesting using Clomid as a diuretic

[Sifo-Dyas]

What are these theories mate?

Just a teaser before the full report but ...

Theory #1 - Mixed ester test courses are a waste of time...

The use of Test Cypionate & Test Enanthate 2gether has worked better for me than the use of Test Enanthate on its own.

Theory #2 - Oral Stanz is only good for cutting and no good in a mass phase...

Stanz has worked better all round for me than Dbol. Other than the dbol converting mostly to estrogen and causing some very useful fluid gains...Stanz is stronger on paper and has worked far better for quantifiable lean gains in this phase than dbol.

Heaps of others to come at the end of this in relation to dose rates, insulin, training etc

[Sifo-Dyas]

Interesting using Clomid as a diuretic

Clomid is a synthetic estrogen with a very high receptor affinity and a very low activation. So it will block the receptor by binding it and stopping any bad estrogen from getting in and causing excess fluid retention and gyno.

Clomid also will not interfere with igf-1 pathways like Nolvadex does which of course is paramount when on an hgh stack

A great addition to estrogen management when on a mass phase.

[oldfella]

Interesting using Clomid as a diuretic

Clomid is a synthetic estrogen with a very high receptor affinity and a very low activation. So it will block the receptor by binding it and stopping any bad estrogen from getting in and causing excess fluid retention and gyno.

Clomid also will not interfere with igf-1 pathways like Nolvadex does which of course is paramount when on an hgh stack

A great addition to estrogen management when on a mass phase.

As a side note clomid tastes ....... :puke:

[Sifo-Dyas]

Yes Oldfella... I forgot to mention that yes Clomid does taste like ASS! It is by far the worse tasting liquid oral gear there is! And that is saying something :shock:

[thatwaslight]

What are these theories mate?

Just a teaser before the full report but ...

Theory #1 - Mixed ester test courses are a waste of time...

The use of Test Cypionate & Test Enanthate 2gether has worked better for me than the use of Test Enanthate on its own.

Theory #2 - Oral Stanz is only good for cutting and no good in a mass phase...

Stanz has worked better all round for me than Dbol. Other than the dbol converting mostly to estrogen and causing some very useful fluid gains...Stanz is stronger on paper and has worked far better for quantifiable lean gains in this phase than dbol.

Heaps of others to come at the end of this in relation to dose rates, insulin, training etc

gotta say i ran sust and enanthate together for a while and it was crazy. will try this again soon

also going to add stan to my cycle too so will be interested to see what happens

[tomsammce]

What are these theories mate?

Just a teaser before the full report but ...

Theory #1 - Mixed ester test courses are a waste of time...

The use of Test Cypionate & Test Enanthate 2gether has worked better for me than the use of Test Enanthate on its own.

its worked better for you? compared to what and when though?

has your training, dosing, injection frequency, other compounds you stacked with, nutrition, rest and many other factors all been the same as when you used a single ester?... there are so many possible variables to keep the same that i doubt it was really a 'fair test'...

[HarryB]

What are these theories mate?

Just a teaser before the full report but ...

Theory #1 - Mixed ester test courses are a waste of time...

The use of Test Cypionate & Test Enanthate 2gether has worked better for me than the use of Test Enanthate on its own.

its worked better for you? compared to what and when though?

has your training, dosing, injection frequency, other compounds you stacked with, nutrition, rest and many other factors all been the same as when you used a single ester?... there are so many possible variables to keep the same that i doubt it was really a 'fair test'...

food for thought Tom... I tend to agree, unless you did the same protocols with a single ester it's hard to compare. But in saying that I find sustanon to be my most effective test and I know it's due to it being multiple esters.

[Sifo-Dyas]

All my mass stacks have been pretty identical as far as training, nutrition dosing etc etc...

So mixed ester test Cyp and Enanthate has worked better for me. It is just that simple.

There are a lot of contradictory theories out there on this subject and I think it has a lot to do with the individual and what their body responds well to.

I now sit firmly on the side of the fence that mixed ester (cyp/enanthate) works great for me and the one FACT I can state is that it was not a waste of time like I was told it would be.

Of course it could be the batch of gear I have been using...

This stack had the addition of prescription HGH not generic blue tops. This has made an incredible difference but that report will follow at the end.

But before I added the hgh I had already surpassed my stats from all other stacks using Enanthate alone (with prop front loaded 1st 10days)

The theories I will be dispelling when it is all done are from my own experience and not a fact to be written in stone for anyone else to take as gospel, but I have learnt many things, gained more than ever before and will take what I have learnt and apply it to my future stacks...

Next stack will be PCT followed by precomp with HGH

[HarryB]

can't wait to see what ya look like onstage!

[train hard]

good gains and good read Sifo !

just a question on the PCT you will be doing next

what do you consider PCT ? I Know a couple off guys who are taking similar amounts off gear ,HGH to yourself and they all say PCT is a waste off time because they are not really coming off and are just kidding yourself unless you are at least going to take half the amount off time you where on off and not bridging or cruzing with any other steroid basically completely coming off or it is not really PCT just a cruzz/blast ?

[musclenz]

good gains and good read Sifo !

just a question on the PCT you will be doing next

what do you consider PCT ? I Know a couple off guys who are taking similar amounts off gear ,HGH to yourself and they all say PCT is a waste off time because they are not really coming off and are just kidding yourself unless you are at least going to take half the amount off time you where on off and not bridging or cruzing with any other steroid basically completely coming off or it is not really PCT just a cruzz/blast ?

You can come off AAS & stay on HGH no problem with a normal PCT. HGH is not suppressive of HPTA or LH & is often used as a PCT component to hold in muscle mass. No doubt our resident Guru Mr Sifo will comment.

[Sifo-Dyas]

good gains and good read Sifo !

just a question on the PCT you will be doing next

what do you consider PCT ? I Know a couple off guys who are taking similar amounts off gear ,HGH to yourself and they all say PCT is a waste off time because they are not really coming off and are just kidding yourself unless you are at least going to take half the amount off time you where on off and not bridging or cruzing with any other steroid basically completely coming off or it is not really PCT just a cruzz/blast ?

I am glad you raised this mate. In this case I am not entering into a PCT phase so I can let my natural testosterone production resume and go clean, I intend to compete this year so going completely clean will have to wait until after the comp season.

My PCT will be to clear out all the excess estrogen and let the androgen receptors have a rest. I will be dropping down to 160mg of test per week which gives me the same blood result as someone in their prime at the high end of the natural range (37)

I will be using an AI, Nolvadex and Clomid as well as HCG

I will keep the HGh going at 2-4iu/day

[Optimass]

can't wait to see what ya look like onstage!

:ditto: have been out of action for a while ... thats quite a gain - looking forwardto pics mate. Well-done.

[Sifo-Dyas]

can't wait to see what ya look like onstage!

:ditto: have been out of action for a while ... thats quite a gain - looking forwardto pics mate. Well-done.

The pics will come. I plan on posting the pics as a clear comparison from last winning comp to this coming comp so the difference will be clearly seen. I lose a fair bit of soft new muscle heading into comp so will use HGH to help hold as much as possible. My assessment is that I will be at least 8kg heavier on stage.

Everything is starting to move again now and the strength and weight are both increasing AGAIN! Just when I thought I had topped out the body has another growth spurt. 10days of HGH left in this phase :-)

[oldfella]

Well with that growth it'll have to be free weights from now on as you won't fit any machines. Ya big bugger. :pfft:

[Pete_S]

[Sifo-Dyas]

Heading into the final stage of this course it is now time to switch things over into a more hardening phase. Stack is now as below:

75mg Mixed Test Cyp/Enanthate ED

50mg Boldenone Cypionate ED

50mg Tren Ace ED

50mg Masteron ED

30mg Stanz ED

25mg Proviron twice daily

500mg Clomid twice daily

62.5mg Deca EOD

9iu HGH Post training 4 days a week