First decent mass stack with HGH

[Android]

Controlled Labs have a product called "Black Hole" that mimics the munchies u get with marijuana. Have tried it and it worked for me when natural, makes u thirsty and hungry though, thirsty as anything!

[musclenz]

Standard practice is 1 x 1ml amp per month but we are not the standard model and I will often take half of a 1ml amp twice a week for 6 weeks and then break for a month. This is the recommended dose in extreme cases to aid people with chronic fatigue

Oh sweet thanks for that, did you notice an increased appetite when using?

Off topic - but i knew a guy (a real life guy) who used megestrol acetate to increase his appetite. Not sure how hard it is to get a hold of but he liked it.

How did you find it SM? :pfft: This thread is getting very "competative" But a lot of good knowledge that I am trying to assimilate.

[Optimass]

Controlled Labs have a product called "Black Hole" that mimics the munchies u get with marijuana. Have tried it and it worked for me when natural, makes u thirsty and hungry though, thirsty as anything!

No good can come from this :shock: --- I already generate a gravity pull towards my plate each meal :pfft:

[Pete_S]

IMO everyone who takes gear should take B12 shots regularly for good health it's a staple support supplement OTC 3 amps for $30-$35

15,000 is pretty high tho lol, not sure of limits... NO-Xplode was 2,000 times recommended daily intake.

Or you could go to Thailand and buy 10 x 1ml 1000mcg Amps for 25 Bhat (NZ$1.20) seriously cheap......

[Android]

IMO everyone who takes gear should take B12 shots regularly for good health it's a staple support supplement OTC 3 amps for $30-$35

15,000 is pretty high tho lol, not sure of limits... NO-Xplode was 2,000 times recommended daily intake.

Or you could go to Thailand and buy 10 x 1ml 1000mcg Amps for 25 Bhat (NZ$1.20) seriously cheap......

Never thought of that, good one must b ok to bring back just have to explain with customs I suppose... next time :-)

3yrs ago while in Phuket I brought a bottle of 2,000 dbols for NZ50 and scoffed some of them each day. Bulking up on my honeymoon lol

Took the bottle back with me to Bangkok then pocketed 1/2 dozen b4 flushing the rest at airport. Chewed what I had until an hour out from Auckland, nothing to declare except "swole" that time

[WANABJAKD]

NEVERGUNABJACKED can you stay out of this, No one gives a f*ck about your opinion, it comes from text books not real life, if I wanted to hear the bullshit you spit out I would jump on google and wouldn't be asking any questions. f*ck off back to pubmed!!!

everything ive accomplished has been a result of science and nothing more. i may NVRBJAKD but ill be much bigger than you, i guarantee you that.

at least i have an opinion and one that is backed up by medical literature. [MOD EDIT - Inflammatory Accusations not acceptable]

[rovr4on]

IMO everyone who takes gear should take B12 shots regularly for good health it's a staple support supplement OTC 3 amps for $30-$35

15,000 is pretty high tho lol, not sure of limits... NO-Xplode was 2,000 times recommended daily intake.

Or you could go to Thailand and buy 10 x 1ml 1000mcg Amps for 25 Bhat (NZ$1.20) seriously cheap......

Never thought of that, good one must b ok to bring back just have to explain with customs I suppose... next time :-)

3yrs ago while in Phuket I brought a bottle of 2,000 dbols for NZ50 and scoffed some of them each day. Bulking up on my honeymoon lol

Took the bottle back with me to Bangkok then pocketed 1/2 dozen b4 flushing the rest at airport. Chewed what I had until an hour out from Auckland, nothing to declare except "swole" that time

lol good stuff android, sounds like a good idea, I presume were you gymming it while over there?

[thatwaslight]

NEVERGUNABJACKED can you stay out of this, No one gives a f*ck about your opinion, it comes from text books not real life, if I wanted to hear the bullshit you spit out I would jump on google and wouldn't be asking any questions. f*ck off back to pubmed!!!

everything ive accomplished has been a result of science and nothing more. i may NVRBJAKD but ill be much bigger than you, i guarantee you that.

at least i have an opinion and one that is backed up by medical literature. i dont just lurk around waiting for the next newbie to pimp.

Lol at everything you have achieved! What's that? 82kgs? You don't need a science degree to put muscle on chump, your so diluded it's hilarious..

[Sifo-Dyas]

ok someone FFS tell me ........b12 to combat fatigue from hard training yes??

b12 for increased appetite when you need it but just cant manage to eat as much as needed yes?

injected IM rather than taken orally for best results yes?

You are spot on with everything there TT. B12 is not a great appetite stimulator at all. Sure it really gets the worms biting a few hours after taking a shot but after that it is only any good for aiding in fatigue and the processing of carbs for more effective NRG use.

[Sifo-Dyas]

sifo - i am interested in hearing more. i dont think insulin is a good option for appetite, especially considering that you cant use it for very long.

harry - you just need to know where to look :wink:

A should qualify my statement about insulin for stimulating appetite for those who haven't actually taken it before.

Insulin is one of the most anabolic substances on the planet. One of the problems is that if you do not know how to best use the insulin it is also anabolic to fat cells once the other storage places (muscles and liver) are full.

You can see by my stack that I am taking insulin 4 days out of 7 and I will do this for 10 weeks... I am certain there will be a barrage of posts about how unsafe this is but these will come from people who have never actualloy taken it and monitored the results and rebound. I have taken insulin at this dose rate before for up to twelve weeks staggering the days and the rebound had no negative effect on my body's own ability to re-establish its' own insulin production.

I would not recommend others follow my practice. Everyone is different and I tolerate insulin well.

Insulin will stimulate the appetite like know other substance. This is because if you exceed your threshold with a dose of insulin and it stores everything in your system and there is still more insulin in your system looking for sugar to convert to glycogen and store...it will send the most powerful signal to you to EAT NOW! If you ignore this signal you will get manic and begin to shake and get a cold sweat. If you still continue to ignore the signal to eat you will start to get tunnel vision and speech & thought will begin to shut down as the insulin raids the glucose stores in your brain. This is your last warning to eat before you slip into a diabetic coma and possibly die!

Again this is not from a txt book, this is from personal experience from a controlled exercise with my doctor.

To know the warning signs you need to experience them and know exactly how to combat them or how to help others if they make a mistake.

[Sifo-Dyas]

Have had two days off training. One for rest and one for growth :-) Today was another epic day of growing. No work the the focus was on eating resting, training and growing. No need to change anything in the stack, training or nutrition. Gains are steady and feel very healthy and strong

7am - Breakfast with 20mg stanz and liv 52 followed by a brisk walk

10am morning tea

1pm lunch followed by 175mg Enanthate, 50mg Masteron. 62.5mg Deca

2pm pre training liquid meal and training aids.

3pm Trained back - . Strength and training aggression was through the roof. Smashed some serious weights and broke many personal bests. Had to drag myself away from the gym at 4.20. Weighed myself and am currently 106.5kg at this time of day.

4.30 - 10iu of humalog and a double meat foot long subway!

4.45 - 4.5iu HGH in each bicep

5pm - post training shake with mass gainer

6.30 - 300g of chicken breast. A pile of salad and a slice of full grain bread.

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... \:D/

[aidangro]

NEVERGUNABJACKED can you stay out of this, No one gives a f*ck about your opinion, it comes from text books not real life, if I wanted to hear the bullshit you spit out I would jump on google and wouldn't be asking any questions. f*ck off back to pubmed!!!

everything ive accomplished has been a result of science and nothing more. i may NVRBJAKD but ill be much bigger than you, i guarantee you that.

at least i have an opinion and one that is backed up by medical literature. [MOD EDIT - Inflammatory Accusations not acceptable]

:doh: :doh:

[musclenz]

Have had two days off training. One for rest and one for growth :-) Today was another epic day of growing. No work the the focus was on eating resting, training and growing. No need to change anything in the stack, training or nutrition. Gains are steady and feel very healthy and strong

7am - Breakfast with 20mg stanz and liv 52 followed by a brisk walk

10am morning tea

1pm lunch followed by 175mg Enanthate, 50mg Masteron. 62.5mg Deca

2pm pre training liquid meal and training aids.

3pm Trained back - . Strength and training aggression was through the roof. Smashed some serious weights and broke many personal bests. Had to drag myself away from the gym at 4.20. Weighed myself and am currently 106.5kg at this time of day.

4.30 - 10iu of humalog and a double meat foot long subway!

4.45 - 4.5iu HGH in each bicep

5pm - post training shake with mass gainer

6.30 - 300g of chicken breast. A pile of salad and a slice of full grain bread.

...

...

... \:D/

So not much to eat then? :pfft: How many calories ED on training days & what does your macro split look like Sifo?

[Sifo-Dyas]

INR!!! Its like reading a book on rugby and then believing you are an all black...Doesn't matter how many playboys you read, you wont be great in bed, you just become an incredible fucking wanker

[Pete_S]

sifo - i am interested in hearing more. i dont think insulin is a good option for appetite, especially considering that you cant use it for very long.

harry - you just need to know where to look :wink:

A should qualify my statement about insulin for stimulating appetite for those who haven't actually taken it before.

Insulin is one of the most anabolic substances on the planet. One of the problems is that if you do not know how to best use the insulin it is also anabolic to fat cells once the other storage places (muscles and liver) are full.

You can see by my stack that I am taking insulin 4 days out of 7 and I will do this for 10 weeks... I am certain there will be a barrage of posts about how unsafe this is but these will come from people who have never actualloy taken it and monitored the results and rebound. I have taken insulin at this dose rate before for up to twelve weeks staggering the days and the rebound had no negative effect on my body's own ability to re-establish its' own insulin production.

I would not recommend others follow my practice. Everyone is different and I tolerate insulin well.

Insulin will stimulate the appetite like know other substance. This is because if you exceed your threshold with a dose of insulin and it stores everything in your system and there is still more insulin in your system looking for sugar to convert to glycogen and store...it will send the most powerful signal to you to EAT NOW! If you ignore this signal you will get manic and begin to shake and get a cold sweat. If you still continue to ignore the signal to eat you will start to get tunnel vision and speech & thought will begin to shut down as the insulin raids the glucose stores in your brain. This is your last warning to eat before you slip into a diabetic coma and possibly die!

Again this is not from a txt book, this is from personal experience from a controlled exercise with my doctor.

To know the warning signs you need to experience them and know exactly how to combat them or how to help others if they make a mistake.

Fast acting insulin should make a good appetite increaser but in reality it doesnt and this is the reason why.

If you don't take any glucose usually within 30mins of taking the slin you will start to go hypo. This is the time you want to eat everything under the sun. Ideally you want to be having your LARGE BB meal at this stage ie steak, fish, rice, potatoes etc etc BUT by the time the nutrients from that get into your bloodstream its usually too late and youre close to dead.

As soon as you start to feel a hypo coming on you will need to take fast acting glucose straight away (usually dextrose). Not the same nutrient profile as that great BB meal........

[Sifo-Dyas]

So not much to eat then? :pfft: How many calories ED on training days & what does your macro split look like Sifo?

Eat about 4000cal/day which is really huge from someone that has been competing 2-5 times/year and spent my time in perpetual dieting...

I am not anal about my training. I train 4 days a week, but often do not get through all body parts in those 4 days. Sometimes I will train one body-part per session or two depending on how I feel at the time. I never plan a session so the body does not know what I am going to train or what bodypart. Subconscious adaptation can prepare muscles for a session.

Every session must be worth it and I ensure I never have an average session.

I mix it up all the time and make sure legs get hammered at least once every 10 days and I have a really good set of wheels!

[HarryB]

sifo - i am interested in hearing more. i dont think insulin is a good option for appetite, especially considering that you cant use it for very long.

harry - you just need to know where to look :wink:

A should qualify my statement about insulin for stimulating appetite for those who haven't actually taken it before.

Insulin is one of the most anabolic substances on the planet. One of the problems is that if you do not know how to best use the insulin it is also anabolic to fat cells once the other storage places (muscles and liver) are full.

You can see by my stack that I am taking insulin 4 days out of 7 and I will do this for 10 weeks... I am certain there will be a barrage of posts about how unsafe this is but these will come from people who have never actualloy taken it and monitored the results and rebound. I have taken insulin at this dose rate before for up to twelve weeks staggering the days and the rebound had no negative effect on my body's own ability to re-establish its' own insulin production.

I would not recommend others follow my practice. Everyone is different and I tolerate insulin well.

Insulin will stimulate the appetite like know other substance. This is because if you exceed your threshold with a dose of insulin and it stores everything in your system and there is still more insulin in your system looking for sugar to convert to glycogen and store...it will send the most powerful signal to you to EAT NOW! If you ignore this signal you will get manic and begin to shake and get a cold sweat. If you still continue to ignore the signal to eat you will start to get tunnel vision and speech & thought will begin to shut down as the insulin raids the glucose stores in your brain. This is your last warning to eat before you slip into a diabetic coma and possibly die!

Again this is not from a txt book, this is from personal experience from a controlled exercise with my doctor.

To know the warning signs you need to experience them and know exactly how to combat them or how to help others if they make a mistake.

Fast acting insulin should make a good appetite increaser but in reality it doesnt and this is the reason why.

If you don't take any glucose usually within 30mins of taking the slin you will start to go hypo. This is the time you want to eat everything under the sun. Ideally you want to be having your LARGE BB meal at this stage ie steak, fish, rice, potatoes etc etc BUT by the time the nutrients from that get into your bloodstream its usually too late and youre close to dead.

As soon as you start to feel a hypo coming on you will need to take fast acting glucose straight away (usually dextrose). Not the same nutrient profile as that great BB meal........

Good to add the warning of misuse and yeah Pete when you got to eat it's never quite what you should be eating. had a couple of close calls with insulin use while dieting and never again! I don't see it as worth the risk when I think about risk vs reward.

[thatwaslight]

do you think you will post up some pics mate?

[Sifo-Dyas]

I will definitely post pics no worries but it will be a timing thing not trying to hide anything except my progress to my competitors.

I take my competing very seriously and what I am doing is or a shot at the NZ title. I will never be the biggest guy on the stage so need every advantage I can get.

On an earlier note, I never get hypo on insulin. I eat before, during and after taking slin and know exactly how much to eat to balance the needs of the dose I am taking.

[Android]

10kg weight gain in 5 days Sifo, were u depleted or competing just b4 cycle and r rebounding or was 96kg your heaviest and you've stacked on a record amount of .... muscle/fat/water ?

Good to hear your training in the gym is awesome btw, best feeling ever ay!

[Sifo-Dyas]

10kg weight gain in 5 days Sifo, were u depleted or competing just b4 cycle and r rebounding or was 96kg your heaviest and you've stacked on a record amount of .... muscle/fat/water ?

Good to hear your training in the gym is awesome btw, best feeling ever ay!

Very good observation Android. You are really onto it.

I had been preparing for this cycle for 6 months and my starting 96kg day weight was clean and depleted but not dieted and was actually taken 4 weeks ago when I first started the gear. I needed to get the gear in the body well before the HGH went in. I should have clarified it but just got confusing.

So start weight was 96kg 4 weeks ago. The day I started the HGH I was 101kg and now 106kg. The HGH does attract a lot of intramuscular fluid. My arm size has increased 1". This is monumental and even when I was doing anadrol my arms have never been this size. For comparison I am 176cm tall and with small joints and stumpy arms of 19.75"

[Android]

That's cool was hoping it was something like that else I'd be out "investing" in HGH tomorrow LOL

How 'clear' is your head before bedtime after coming off the 10iu insulin spike early evening. Do you feel a little cloudy or spaced out or do you rebound back to normal sugar levels quite quickly

[Sifo-Dyas]

That's cool was hoping it was something like that else I'd be out "investing" in HGH tomorrow LOL

How 'clear' is your head before bedtime after coming off the 10iu insulin spike early evening. Do you feel a little cloudy or spaced out or do you rebound back to normal sugar levels quite quickly

10iu of Humalog doesn't give me any side effects. I can take that amount any time of the day without altering my daily nutrition and do not have to eat any extra carbs. I feel nothing from it other than increased pump if I take it pre training and full veins.

If I take 15iu...now that is a different story and that really does give me side effects and drowsy and tired sometime afterwards. It can really wipe me out.

I use to think you had to feel these symptoms or you were not taking enough. This is not true. It is just as effective and much safer at a dose that does not breach you threshold and make you hypo.

[musclenz]

So not much to eat then? :pfft: How many calories ED on training days & what does your macro split look like Sifo?

Eat about 4000cal/day which is really huge from someone that has been competing 2-5 times/year and spent my time in perpetual dieting...

I am not anal about my training. I train 4 days a week, but often do not get through all body parts in those 4 days. Sometimes I will train one body-part per session or two depending on how I feel at the time. I never plan a session so the body does not know what I am going to train or what bodypart. Subconscious adaptation can prepare muscles for a session.Every session must be worth it and I ensure I never have an average session.

I mix it up all the time and make sure legs get hammered at least once every 10 days and I have a really good set of wheels!

You know Sifo this is one aspect of training that we should look at more closely. I believe you may well be onto something as I practice this a bit by mixing up my training split & dont have a preconceived idea of what exercises I will do for the body part I end up training. Like sometimes I will just say to my training partner lets just do a massive giant set of say 300 reps on leg press or hack squats. Then 50 mins later you just walk out of the gym completely physically & mentally fucked. I think we could all gain from being less structured in our weekly training program. THe body needs change to grow. It adapts to normality.

[Optimass]

It's funny how the older you get the more normal that sounds :pfft: (really) - I do almost the same thing - body part is planned but exercises and number of sets lately is based on instinct ... and may be a bit of comfort.

For me the exercise prescription isn't as much as important as ensuring that you reach absolute failure pushing the heaviest weight you can manage within the rep and strict form required, on the very last set of each xercise.