Human Growth Hormone - How best to use it?

[Sifo-Dyas]

It's actually more effective in older people...

Isnt that like saying test is more effective in old people simply because they are producing less, doesnt mean that an older person will get better results.

A old peson grows more old person a young person grows more young person.

Young person is better than old person.

I like the way you have summed this up for an older person lol. If the are just increasing the size of the already aged muscle, yep that is pretty spot on i guess. But what about....

GH is used for its rejuvenation abilities and how it can turn the clock back a bit for the over 50 bodybuilder. This is a great advantage for them...the real kicker though is that even in someone over 50, GH can (if everything else is in line) cause "mitogenesis". This is where a cell is encouraged to divide and this produces a satellite cell which can be matured and grown into a new mature muscle cell.

So for any old person old or young to be able to "grow" a brand spanking new muscle cell is of enormous advantage in growing beyond their genetics and any new cells are not subject to any age discrimination lol. A new muscles cell in an old person is still a brand new young cell of the same age and potential for growth and training maturity as a new cell in a young person.

None of this information is from personal experience but comes from a lot of research I have done on HGH before I decide to use it myself. I am not over 50 but a lot of the HGH research does come from studies done on groups of people that are over 50.

[nate225]

I have some HGH and will be using it after comps. Tempting to use it now but then I wouldn't have the comparison I'm after.

Interested to hear more about how others use HGH. What type do you have?

Most competitors would probably use it heading into comp? But each to there own. You planning to mass it up after comp and see what gain you can get?

As for the type of hgh I have got???? I got that good type that makes you grow to 120KG at less than 10% BF lol :pfft: :wink:

Surely you two could've just had this conversation at training? :pfft: :grin:

Creation of new fibres as opposed to just hypertrophy sounds attractive, after all a cell can only get so big, but by adding new ones - that'd be the break through from genetic potential.

My (very limited) understanding is most use GH for pre-comp nowdays as opposed to when it first came out and was trumpeted as the next big thing for mass.

Assuming you choose to use it off-season I'd expect you'd add insulin (and possibly thyroid) into the mix?

Would be interested to hear how it affects your joints / injuries as GH (or the growth factors released) isn't specific to skeletal muscle only (like IGF-1 is supposedly though cardiac muscle seems to be affected anectdotally). Some fresh cartilage cells might be good for old lifters!!

Anyone know more about this side of things?

[Chemo]

sifo in a few months ?!

[Sifo-Dyas]

I have some HGH and will be using it after comps. Tempting to use it now but then I wouldn't have the comparison I'm after.

Interested to hear more about how others use HGH. What type do you have?

Most competitors would probably use it heading into comp? But each to there own. You planning to mass it up after comp and see what gain you can get?

As for the type of hgh I have got???? I got that good type that makes you grow to 120KG at less than 10% BF lol :pfft: :wink:

Surely you two could've just had this conversation at training? :pfft: :grin:

Creation of new fibres as opposed to just hypertrophy sounds attractive, after all a cell can only get so big, but by adding new ones - that'd be the break through from genetic potential.

My (very limited) understanding is most use GH for pre-comp nowdays as opposed to when it first came out and was trumpeted as the next big thing for mass.

Assuming you choose to use it off-season I'd expect you'd add insulin (and possibly thyroid) into the mix?

Would be interested to hear how it affects your joints / injuries as GH (or the growth factors released) isn't specific to skeletal muscle only (like IGF-1 is supposedly though cardiac muscle seems to be affected anectdotally). Some fresh cartilage cells might be good for old lifters!!

Anyone know more about this side of things?

There are not too many top athletes where I train and getting some information on the best way to use HGH on NZBB should be interesting at least lol.

You are right about the positive effects on cartilage,tendons and ligaments. I have read a lot of good things about this and am looking forward to being an example .

What insight do you have on the use of HGH for mass? I listed the stack and would love some criticism??

I can be more specific if it would help?

[musclenz]

i think its time to come off my cruise and run a ten week blast... 100grams a week hopefully i reach 400kg body weight.

Wouldnt you have to diet to get to 400kg, Hotshot? :pfft:

[musclenz]

It's actually more effective in older people...

Isnt that like saying test is more effective in old people simply because they are producing less, doesnt mean that an older person will get better results.

A old peson grows more old person a young person grows more young person.

Young person is better than old person.

I like the way you have summed this up for an older person lol. If the are just increasing the size of the already aged muscle, yep that is pretty spot on i guess. But what about....

GH is used for its rejuvenation abilities and how it can turn the clock back a bit for the over 50 bodybuilder. This is a great advantage for them...the real kicker though is that even in someone over 50, GH can (if everything else is in line) cause "mitogenesis". This is where a cell is encouraged to divide and this produces a satellite cell which can be matured and grown into a new mature muscle cell. So for any old person old or young to be able to "grow" a brand spanking new muscle cell is of enormous advantage in growing beyond their genetics and any new cells are not subject to any age discrimination lol. A new muscles cell in an old person is still a brand new young cell of the same age and potential for growth and training maturity as a new cell in a young person.

None of this information is from personal experience but comes from a lot of research I have done on HGH before I decide to use it myself. I am not over 50 but a lot of the HGH research does come from studies done on groups of people that are over 50.

GH is the only compound that can do this. Even Myostatin or its trade name Follistatin does not divide the cell. It works on shutting down the myo gene that limits muscle cellular growth.

[musclenz]

Most competitors would probably use it heading into comp? But each to there own. You planning to mass it up after comp and see what gain you can get?

As for the type of hgh I have got???? I got that good type that makes you grow to 120KG at less than 10% BF lol :pfft: :wink:

Surely you two could've just had this conversation at training? :pfft: :grin:

Creation of new fibres as opposed to just hypertrophy sounds attractive, after all a cell can only get so big, but by adding new ones - that'd be the break through from genetic potential.

My (very limited) understanding is most use GH for pre-comp nowdays as opposed to when it first came out and was trumpeted as the next big thing for mass.

Assuming you choose to use it off-season I'd expect you'd add insulin (and possibly thyroid) into the mix?

Would be interested to hear how it affects your joints / injuries as GH (or the growth factors released) isn't specific to skeletal muscle only (like IGF-1 is supposedly though cardiac muscle seems to be affected anectdotally). Some fresh cartilage cells might be good for old lifters!!

Anyone know more about this side of things?

There are not too many top athletes where I train and getting some information on the best way to use HGH on NZBB should be interesting at least lol.

You are right about the positive effects on cartilage,tendons and ligaments. I have read a lot of good things about this and am looking forward to being an example .

What insight do you have on the use of HGH for mass? I listed the stack and would love some criticism??I can be more specific if it would help?

Strongmen dont need exogenous Gh or IGF as the make enough of their own. The sleep enough & only train now & again. Should get some down here to throw a rock around or two. Plenty teetering on the hills above me atm :grin:

[mr natural]

Is that stuff even effective?(Follistatin) Last I'd read it didn't sound like it was ever going to eventuate into a useable drug?

[Sifo-Dyas]

So are you saying that Strongmen don't use HGH or IGF1 in the supplements they take for their sport?

So does intense strength training produce enough of these compounds naturally so they don't need to take them?... Surely as they get older the levels would drop away? So at what age would it be useful for a strongman athlete to take GHG or IGF1?

[Optimass]

Is that stuff even effective?(Follistatin) Last I'd read it didn't sound like it was ever going to eventuate into a useable drug?

I had read somewhere that they were lookin at human trial in about 5 or 6 years time.

Creation of new fibres as opposed to just hypertrophy sounds attractive, after all a cell can only get so big, but by adding new ones - that'd be the break through from genetic potential.

muscular hyperplasia - the holy grail of muscle gain.

[nate225]

LOL @ musclenz!

To be honest I've never heard first hand of any PLer / SM using GH / IGF-1. That said a lot of the guys don't even take supplements other than protein powder! :pfft: :grin:

From a risk:reward or cost:benefit I'd say even the elite strength athletes would stick with Test & Orals for strength, with nandrolones for joint support. The freaky hardness that many BBers are achieving with GH isn't an issue in the strength game. That said I'm sure many will have dabbled but I personally haven't heard those stories.

As for aging SM, there aren't too many still competeing after 40, though the occassional inspiration like Odd Haugen who won Hawaii's Strongest Man at 53 and competed at WSM Qualifiers in his late 50's! :nod:

[musclenz]

Is that stuff even effective?(Follistatin) Last I'd read it didn't sound like it was ever going to eventuate into a useable drug?

I had read somewhere that they were lookin at human trial in about 5 or 6 years time.

Creation of new fibres as opposed to just hypertrophy sounds attractive, after all a cell can only get so big, but by adding new ones - that'd be the break through from genetic potential.

muscular hyperplasia - the holy grail of muscle gain.

Follistatin & Myostatin both Myostatin Inhibitors are being trialed by a number of enthusiastic BBers in the US & around the world right now. It has been available in various forms for about 4 months on the black market. It does not ship to NZ

[Chemo]

There was a super human radio issue saying that stem cell therapy is the next big thing T__ T

[holdenman]

Is that stuff even effective?(Follistatin) Last I'd read it didn't sound like it was ever going to eventuate into a useable drug?

I had read somewhere that they were lookin at human trial in about 5 or 6 years time.

Creation of new fibres as opposed to just hypertrophy sounds attractive, after all a cell can only get so big, but by adding new ones - that'd be the break through from genetic potential.

muscular hyperplasia - the holy grail of muscle gain.

Follistatin & Myostatin both Myostatin Inhibitors are being trialed by a number of enthusiastic BBers in the US & around the world right now. It has been available in various forms for about 4 months on the black market. It does not ship to NZ

Any reports on how its going for these guys?

[mr natural]

watch the next few mr olympia shows lol

[genetic freek]

LOL @ musclenz!

To be honest I've never heard first hand of any PLer / SM using GH / IGF-1. That said a lot of the guys don't even take supplements other than protein powder! :pfft: :grin:

From a risk:reward or cost:benefit I'd say even the elite strength athletes would stick with Test & Orals for strength, with nandrolones for joint support. The freaky hardness that many BBers are achieving with GH isn't an issue in the strength game. That said I'm sure many will have dabbled but I personally haven't heard those stories.

As for aging SM, there aren't too many still competeing after 40, though the occassional inspiration like Odd Haugen who won Hawaii's Strongest Man at 53 and competed at WSM Qualifiers in his late 50's! :nod:

If mariouz or what ever his name is is not using GH then who the hell is

[Optimass]

watch the next few mr olympia shows lol

and the next tour de france, boston marathon, americas cup (grinders), olympics ... A break through of this kind will influence every physical element of sport. Imagine having the power to double your muscle fibres - Like going from a 2L 4 cyclinder to a fully blown V8 - and that's before anyone considers adding HGH/AAS into the mix.

Is the NBA ready for this ..... (Michael Jordan eat your heart out)

[Pete_S]

The best advice ive got for anyone wanting to use GH is to first use a GH precurser as its far cheaper. Your money will go way further by using something like a GHRP-6/CJC-1295 combo

Other than that to put on size ive found personally that 10ius of GH immediately post workout is the best way to put on size but its not a magic formula and shold be run for at least 6 months before critiqing results

[jimjim83]

The best advice ive got for anyone wanting to use GH is to first use a GH precurser as its far cheaper. Your money will go way further by using something like a GHRP-6/CJC-1295 combo

Other than that to put on size ive found personally that 10ius of GH immediately post workout is the best way to put on size but its not a magic formula and shold be run for at least 6 months before critiqing results

Excuse my ignorance but whats the deal with, GHRP-6/CJC-1295 combo, as far aslegality avalibility etc?

[Sifo-Dyas]

The best advice ive got for anyone wanting to use GH is to first use a GH precurser as its far cheaper. Your money will go way further by using something like a GHRP-6/CJC-1295 combo

Other than that to put on size ive found personally that 10ius of GH immediately post workout is the best way to put on size but its not a magic formula and shold be run for at least 6 months before critiqing results

Aha at last some advice from personal experience. Thank you for sharing this I have no idea where to find "GHRP-6/CJC-1295" but I do have some very good quality HGH I don't want to waste.

You are saying to use 10iu straight after training. I have never heard of any1 suggesting this for mass and I am very interested to hear more...I have been told by many "so called experts" that its important that i spread the use throughout the day. If I was to take 10iu I am told to take 2iu, 5 times a day with at least 2hr intervals because the body wont process more than 2iu at a time?

Does your advice come from experience handed down from use by top athletes?

[musclenz]

GH injections have a half life of about 2 hours. This means that there is only four hours in total where your natural GH is suppressed. The hormone is cleared from the body in about 1 hr. This would suggest that more frequent injections over the day would be more effective but I believe this is rather subjective. I'm not aware of the amount the body can absorb at once. I'm sure users could do some research on this if concerned. Natty GH is mainly produced in the first few hours of sleep so this would again support using through the day in preference to later post workout esp if training in the evening. But there are many theories on this

[Sifo-Dyas]

This is what I have been lead to believe also. Tomorrow it begins

2iu 4 x per day on training days. 10iu nova rapid insulin 2 x per day on training days.

6.30am (before breakfast) 2iu HGH, 10iu insulin.

10.30am 2iu HGH

11am Training

12.30pm 2iu HGH, 10iu insulin.

5pm 2iu HGH

8.30 2iu HGH

Other supplements daily: -

100mcg T3

20mg Stanz

50mg Propionate

62.5mg Cypionate

62.5mg Enanthate

50mg Masteron

40mg Deca

[thatwaslight]

Why take Enanthate and cyp together?

[tomsammce]

Why take Enanthate and cyp together?

mixing the two is pointless as they both realease at the the same time. unless you are using what you could get your hands on... but either way its not gonna make the cycle better or worse so what the hell.

[genetic freek]

That stack is way over the top.