Human Growth Hormone - How best to use it?

[WANABJAKD]

apart from reading hundreds of threads on the matter and hearing hundreds of opinions, the reality is that gh at low doses such as 1 2 iu is worth nothing apart from improved immune function, skin texture and the other common health related benefits.

Sorry but as limited as my knowledge is - running 2iu per day along side test for 5-6 months is going to do good things for oldfella. 2-5iu per day for 6-12 months is a good / safe way to run it alongside test. But it comes down to what you want to accomplish.

Beyond those dosages and your getting into an area reserved for pros/elites with good cashflows.

crazyness :doh:

fyi pros are on well above 10ius; infact, 10 is quite low and alot are using up to 20ius; hell, it was reported that ronnie was running 30ius from a highly respected member of a board that is friends with a pro that disclosed that information to him.

yeah 4 ius is great i aint saying you have to run more, perhaps "at least" was a bit ambiguous, but like i said, GH's bodybuilding effects are mediated solely by IGF secretion(which is dose dependent)

expensive indeed, however there are cheaper and safer alternatives to synthetic GH, such GH secretagogues. GHRH(growth hormone releasing hormone) and GHRP(growth hormone releasing peptide) are both very synergistic at creating a huge GH pulse(spike), greater than its equivalency from synthetic gh. the pulse lasts 20-30 minutes appose to hours.

i am running gh secretagogues.

[mr natural]

Wow a lot of interesting information but not exactly what I was looking for. Based on some information in a previous post...

I was thinking of running 2iu four times a day on training days with a bit of fast acting slin twice a day and will run these two on training days only four times a week.

I will make sure test is in at a decent dose and T3 as well.

The total iu I have to play with is 180 (5 x 36iu)

Anyone want to have a crack at this and tell me how wrong I have it? Or any advice on how to improve or best way to use 180iu?

Not really sure how effective it is running it 4 times a week. Probably ok to do but only ever read it being run consistantly every day over time so I'd try for that. spliting it up throughout the day is a good idea. Its sounds like a good protocol but its a shame you haven't got a bit more to run it for longer. Maybe drop it down to 6 iu a day?

[musclenz]

apart from reading hundreds of threads on the matter and hearing hundreds of opinions, the reality is that gh at low doses such as 1 2 iu is worth nothing apart from improved immune function, skin texture and the other common health related benefits.

Sorry but as limited as my knowledge is - running 2iu per day along side test for 5-6 months is going to do good things for oldfella. 2-5iu per day for 6-12 months is a good / safe way to run it alongside test. But it comes down to what you want to accomplish.

Beyond those dosages and your getting into an area reserved for pros/elites with good cashflows.

crazyness :doh:

fyi pros are on well above 10ius; infact, 10 is quite low and alot are using up to 20ius; hell, it was reported that ronnie was running 30ius from a highly respected member of a board that is friends with a pro that disclosed that information to him.

yeah 4 ius is great i aint saying you have to run more, perhaps "at least" was a bit ambiguous, but like i said, GH's bodybuilding effects are mediated solely by IGF secretion(which is dose dependent)

expensive indeed, however there are cheaper and safer alternatives to synthetic GH, such GH secretagogues. GHRH(growth hormone releasing hormone) and GHRP(growth hormone releasing peptide) are both very synergistic at creating a huge GH pulse(spike), greater than its equivalency from synthetic gh. the pulse lasts 20-30 minutes appose to hours.i am running gh secretagogues.

Although these are ok if you cannot afford Gh they do not compare with a cycle of quality Pharma Grade Gh like say Pifizer Genotropin even at a low dose of 5iu ed.

[musclenz]

apart from reading hundreds of threads on the matter and hearing hundreds of opinions, the reality is that gh at low doses such as 1 2 iu is worth nothing apart from improved immune function, skin texture and the other common health related benefits.

Sorry but as limited as my knowledge is - running 2iu per day along side test for 5-6 months is going to do good things for oldfella. 2-5iu per day for 6-12 months is a good / safe way to run it alongside test. But it comes down to what you want to accomplish.Beyond those dosages and your getting into an area reserved for pros/elites with good cashflows.

crazyness :doh:

You are too modest Opti. +1 on that :nod:

[HarryB]

apart from reading hundreds of threads on the matter and hearing hundreds of opinions, the reality is that gh at low doses such as 1 2 iu is worth nothing apart from improved immune function, skin texture and the other common health related benefits.

Sorry but as limited as my knowledge is - running 2iu per day along side test for 5-6 months is going to do good things for oldfella. 2-5iu per day for 6-12 months is a good / safe way to run it alongside test. But it comes down to what you want to accomplish.Beyond those dosages and your getting into an area reserved for pros/elites with good cashflows.

crazyness :doh:

You are too modest Opti. +1 on that :nod:

+2

[tomsammce]

do all you 'gurus' use insulin with your gh?

[HarryB]

crazyness :doh:

fyi pros are on well above 10ius; infact, 10 is quite low and alot are using up to 20ius; hell, it was reported that ronnie was running 30ius from a highly respected member of a board that is friends with a pro that disclosed that information to him.

A highly respected member of a board who's mate's with a pro who's mates with someone else who said what Ronnie Coleman is taking...

LMAO

I know a guy who knows a guy who's cousin's with another guy... and he has been to Texas so there's a good chance he stumbled past Branch Warren in a cafe talking to another pro and they might have said they were taking 35iu a day.. pretty reliable source! lol

I actually know a guy here first hand who's taking 4gms of test a week and running 10iu of gh a day. He's about 100k at 6' tall, I'll grant he's shredded but that's about it.

[musclenz]

Wow a lot of interesting information but not exactly what I was looking for. Based on some information in a previous post...

I was thinking of running 2iu four times a day on training days with a bit of fast acting slin twice a day and will run these two on training days only four times a week.

I will make sure test is in at a decent dose and T3 as well.

The total iu I have to play with is 180 (5 x 36iu)

Anyone want to have a crack at this and tell me how wrong I have it? Or any advice on how to improve or best way to use 180iu?

From my understanding of results from other users this is a very effective way of getting the best results from Gh. Thats going to give you nearly 6 weeks cycle. You could reduce to 6iu ed for 7.5 weeks but its not a great difference in time. I know of some top BBers who use GH all year round. This is what it takes if you want to be up there at international level but then you need a generous sponsor

[mr natural]

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[mr natural]

fyi pros are on well above 10ius; infact, 10 is quite low and alot are using up to 20ius; hell, it was reported that ronnie was running 30ius from a highly respected member of a board that is friends with a pro that disclosed that information to him.

A highly respected member of a board who's mate's with a pro who's mates with someone else who said what Ronnie Coleman is taking...

LMAO

I know a guy who knows a guy who's cousin's with another guy... and he has been to Texas so there's a good chance he stumbled past Branch Warren in a cafe talking to another pro and they might have said they were taking 35iu a day.. pretty reliable source! lol

I actually know a guy here first hand who's taking 4gms of test a week and running 10iu of gh a day. He's about 100k at 6' tall, I'll grant he's shredded but that's about it.

was he using it with slin?doesn't sound like it. May have not been spliting the dose either as to much at once and the bodies meant to break it down as it see's it as an anti body.

[jimjim83]

apart from reading hundreds of threads on the matter and hearing hundreds of opinions, the reality is that gh at low doses such as 1 2 iu is worth nothing apart from improved immune function, skin texture and the other common health related benefits.

as far as its use in bodybuilding, GH serves only a handful of benefits i.e soft tissue(joint/cartilage) repair, fat loss, increased recovery, nutrient storage and muscle proliferation. all of these effects are mediated by IGF, which is secreted when gh is present in the blood stream.

you run it along side test because if you dont have the gear to rebuild muscle effectively, maintain that muscle and give you strength to progress further then your going to expect nothing from your gh cycle besides water retention and fat loss. additionally because its so effective at burning fat, it is very synergistic alongside test with high intake of food. test and gh both have one thing in common...the bigger the dose, the more profound the effects. -WANABJAKD

You are proving how little you know. Why dont you take 8 grams a week you will be 150kgs ripped on stage. Stop talking about issues you have no experiance in you skinny little person.

I actually know a guy here first hand who's taking 4gms of test a week and running 10iu of gh a day. He's about 100k at 6' tall, I'll grant he's shredded but that's about it.

Hes doing something wrong is he not eating?

[WANABJAKD]

Sorry but as limited as my knowledge is - running 2iu per day along side test for 5-6 months is going to do good things for oldfella. 2-5iu per day for 6-12 months is a good / safe way to run it alongside test. But it comes down to what you want to accomplish.Beyond those dosages and your getting into an area reserved for pros/elites with good cashflows.

crazyness :doh:

You are too modest Opti. +1 on that :nod:

+2

+3, fair enough

heres my experience so far though:

musclenz, i wouldnt say they do not compare, sure their efficacy is greatly reduced at doses above 2mcg/kg, though i wouldnt say 5ius would be superior...ive been on mod grf 1-29/ipamorelin for a short period of time and have gotten numb hands(which has gone away), slightly elevated bp, nutrient/water retention(slight weight gain), enhanced recovery and more than anything, fat loss. ive had to increase my caloric intake just to avoid burning too much fat; i dont want that during my PCT :x :pfft:

dont be a dick harry, i never said 10ius is low(for amateur users); in fact, 10ius is high, especially along side that amount of test =P~ ...100kgs and shredded, sounds like a tall order but also its a matter of preference and income when venturing into the 20iu+ mark.

[tomsammce]

i think its time to come off my cruise and run a ten week blast... 100grams a week hopefully i reach 400kg body weight.

[WANABJAKD]

i think its time to come off my cruise and run a ten week blast... 100grams a week hopefully i reach 400kg body weight.

sounds like a good idea.

[thatwaslight]

WANNABJAKD shut the f*ck up!!! you read some shit on the interweb WOW!!

[HarryB]

Lol he's doing everything he's supposed to be doing, divided doses, using insulin, eating like a horse, he's super shredded but only 100k. Granted he looks awesome walking around in the gym, he's just of the belief that if 5 is good then 10 must be better. He get his advice from a couple of australia's better pros and knows everyone and everything. He's just living walking breathing proof that more isn't better.

It kind of cracks me up cos I couldn't justify the expenditure for those kinds of results but he loves what he's doing and truly lives the lifestyle all year round so good luck to him.

[tomsammce]

i think its time to come off my cruise and run a ten week blast... 100grams a week hopefully i reach 400kg body weight.

sounds like a good idea.

do u think if i mixed the raw form powder in with the baking powder and baked a cake i could get my 100gms down this way? i need my olive and rice bran oil for sumthing else.

[Sifo-Dyas]

Wow a lot of interesting information but not exactly what I was looking for. Based on some information in a previous post...

I was thinking of running 2iu four times a day on training days with a bit of fast acting slin twice a day and will run these two on training days only four times a week.

I will make sure test is in at a decent dose and T3 as well.

The total iu I have to play with is 180 (5 x 36iu)

Anyone want to have a crack at this and tell me how wrong I have it? Or any advice on how to improve or best way to use 180iu?

From my understanding of results from other users this is a very effective way of getting the best results from Gh. Thats going to give you nearly 6 weeks cycle. You could reduce to 6iu ed for 7.5 weeks but its not a great difference in time. I know of some top BBers who use GH all year round. This is what it takes if you want to be up there at international level but then you need a generous sponsor

Thanks musclenz, looks like two schools of thought. Low dose long term or higher dose short term. My aim is mass so will go for the higher option I think. Just not sure what I should expect from 180iu and can you feel it working? What are the main side effects noticed?

[jimjim83]

Lol he's doing everything he's supposed to be doing, divided doses, using insulin, eating like a horse, he's super shredded but only 100k. Granted he looks awesome walking around in the gym, he's just of the belief that if 5 is good then 10 must be better. He get his advice from a couple of australia's better pros and knows everyone and everything. He's just living walking breathing proof that more isn't better.

It kind of cracks me up cos I couldn't justify the expenditure for those kinds of results but he loves what he's doing and truly lives the lifestyle all year round so good luck to him.

Each to their own I guess. I know people who only need a sniff of test and they blow up like a balloon I can only imagine what bigger doses would do for them. The expense too! CRAZY

[WANABJAKD]

i think its time to come off my cruise and run a ten week blast... 100grams a week hopefully i reach 400kg body weight.

sounds like a good idea.

do u think if i mixed the raw form powder in with the baking powder and baked a cake i could get my 100gms down this way? i need my olive and rice bran oil for sumthing else.

that should work, just make sure you beat the test in evenly so you get consistent dosages.

[Sifo-Dyas]

Personally I am using and have used a few times only 2iu/day 5day/week and got great results over and above what I would just using gear.

It is interesting you say that. Would you expect better results from a higher dose? Or is it possibly the quality of the hgh you are using. A few people have said you should feel greater pumps and stiff knuckles and swolen feet??? Have you noticed any of this? Sound like unusual indications for quality or strength of the HGH you are using? Can't wait :shifty:

[tomsammce]

sounds like a good idea.

do u think if i mixed the raw form powder in with the baking powder and baked a cake i could get my 100gms down this way? i need my olive and rice bran oil for sumthing else.

that should work, just make sure you beat the test in evenly so you get consistent dosages.

i eat da whole cake... i just pretend its yo mumma!

[WANABJAKD]

do u think if i mixed the raw form powder in with the baking powder and baked a cake i could get my 100gms down this way? i need my olive and rice bran oil for sumthing else.

that should work, just make sure you beat the test in evenly so you get consistent dosages.

i eat da whole cake... i just pretend its yo mumma!

stfu.

[HarryB]

Personally I am using and have used a few times only 2iu/day 5day/week and got great results over and above what I would just using gear.

It is interesting you say that. Would you expect better results from a higher dose? Or is it possibly the quality of the hgh you are using. A few people have said you should feel greater pumps and stiff knuckles and swolen feet??? Have you noticed any of this? Sound like unusual indications for quality or strength of the HGH you are using? Can't wait :shifty:

I am getting great pumps... the other things might be indicators at higher doses? I am just a less is more kind of guy. Anecdotally I have been told that lower dose and longer duration leads to a greater retention of muscle and I am also taking it to help with digestion and other normal body functions which it improves. I might try higher dose leading into a comp... if I can find enough people to mug so that I can afford it! lol

I am using the same gh that my 10iu/day guy is using but as with aas I think receptor uptake etc etc is genetic.

[Sifo-Dyas]

Personally I am using and have used a few times only 2iu/day 5day/week and got great results over and above what I would just using gear.

It is interesting you say that. Would you expect better results from a higher dose? Or is it possibly the quality of the hgh you are using. A few people have said you should feel greater pumps and stiff knuckles and swolen feet??? Have you noticed any of this? Sound like unusual indications for quality or strength of the HGH you are using? Can't wait :shifty:

I am getting great pumps... the other things might be indicators at higher doses? I am just a less is more kind of guy. Anecdotally I have been told that lower dose and longer duration leads to a greater retention of muscle and I am also taking it to help with digestion and other normal body functions which it improves. I might try higher dose leading into a comp... if I can find enough people to mug so that I can afford it! lol

I am using the same gh that my 10iu/day guy is using but as with aas I think receptor uptake etc etc is genetic.

Thank you HarryB for the information on topic, appreciate some knowledge from experience.

Although I have only got 180iu I have the option to get more at a very reasonable price...so I might twique things a bit - 2iu 4 times a day on training days for 6 weeks and 2iu 2 times a day every day for 4 weeks. With all the other bits and pieces that go in the soup. =P~