Bugger - Methylhexanamine not found naturally In Geranium

[Flex]

Source - http://www.anthonyroberts.info/2011/03/ ... -geranium/

Several months ago, I got wind of a lawsuit involving a positive methylhexanamine (MHA) test that resulted in the suspension of an elite American sprinter. That sprinter subsequently sued the maker of the product, which just happened to be USPLabs, who sell the world’s most popular preworkout supplement – Jack3d – which relies heavily on MHA. At the great personal expense of .08c/page, I proceeded to pull all of the court documents surrounding the lawsuit, and spent a day reading them*.

Lo and behold I saw Don Catlin’s name in there (*on the payroll of the guy who tested positive), along with Anthony Almada, and some other guy, all working for the plaintiff against USPLabs. Almada’s name will be familiar to anyone who is old enough to remember Muscle Media 2000, as he was the guy who founded EAS and first brought creatine to the market (along with Ed Byrd). He’s got a degree (B.Sc.) in physiology and nutritional biochemistry from UCAL (Irvine) and performed his graduate (M.Sc.) research at UCAL (Berkeley). Anyway, the point here is that he know his sh!t.

It turns out that some of the research he’d been doing (related to this case) will cause a Tsunami throughout the entire industry:

Methylhexanamine is not found in Geranium.

In other words, it appears that this ingredient is not actually found naturally where manufacturers are claiming it is. That’s a huge no-no to the FDA, as it violates numerous laws. And it appears that the oft-cited study that purportedly shows the presence of MHA in geranium was conducted with less-than-rigorous techniques. Furthermore, subsequent studies have revealed that there is no MHA present in any part of the geranium plant. Had USPLabs settled out of court, it seems unlikely that this discovery would have been made (or at least made so quickly).

I’m predicting that most major retailers will be pulling MHA off their shelves in the 2011 calender year, and I know for a fact that several major supplement companies have already got plans underway to remove it from their product line. This is no different than the prediction I made in August of last year, when I said that it would ultimately get pulled off the market. Since MHA is the backbone of USPLabs’ product line, this could have a similar effect on them as the removal of ephedrine had on TwinLab:

Total disaster.

Again, I’m probably dating myself here, but when ephedrine got pulled off the market TwinLab never recovered, since their only product that was worth a sh!t was Ripped Fuel, and the boneheads in charge of the company lacked the creativity to come up with a suitable alternative. Bankruptcy soon followed…

Jacob, the owner of USPLabs, has repeatedly stated that he has lined up a replacement for the ingredient, should it become an untenable proposition to continue selling it.

[*P.S - the case was pretty interesting...especially the part where the plaintiff's lawyers inadvertently published confidential information, which ultimately led to another lawsuit being filed against USPLabs.]

[** Also, to be fair, this is something Matt Cahill has been saying for months, i.e. that MHA is not found in geranium]

Not sure what will happen with this in NZ, we always seem to be a bit slow on the uptake so it may or may not cause any problems.

[devil_911]

Methylhexanamine is not found in Geranium.

In other words, it appears that this ingredient is not actually found naturally where manufacturers are claiming it is

shocking :shock: if its true.i knew supplement companies will sell shit without any safety or effectivness proof but outright lying?i couldnt have imagined that

on the second thought i knew they do lie.whats unbelivable is more then one company were in on the lie or maybe they didnt even knew what they were selling(wont be the first time)

[milkisforbabies]

Ripped Fuel, man that brings back some memories. I remember borrowing some off my uncle (without him knowing) when I was about 15, got the best pump ever!

[firegirl]

This stuff is also an active ingredient in most of the new generation (post-BZP) legal party pills, which some in government that have it in for the party-pill industry have been making noises about trying to ban... So if they succeed, all the other supps with the same stuff will be banned, too, i guess.

[bob26]

This stuff is also an active ingredient in most of the new generation (post-BZP) legal party pills, which some in government that have it in for the party-pill industry have been making noises about trying to ban... So if they succeed, all the other supps with the same stuff will be banned, too, i guess.

bring back bzp. that stuff was the shiz.

london underground bolts were my fav.

2 of them & a box of beer. Made for some intense conversation..... :pfft:

[holdenman]

This stuff is also an active ingredient in most of the new generation (post-BZP) legal party pills, which some in government that have it in for the party-pill industry have been making noises about trying to ban... So if they succeed, all the other supps with the same stuff will be banned, too, i guess.

bring back bzp. that stuff was the shiz.

london underground bolts were my fav.

2 of them & a box of beer. Made for some intense conversation..... :pfft:

Bring back real MDMA.

[aidangro]

This stuff is also an active ingredient in most of the new generation (post-BZP) legal party pills, which some in government that have it in for the party-pill industry have been making noises about trying to ban... So if they succeed, all the other supps with the same stuff will be banned, too, i guess.

bring back bzp. that stuff was the shiz.

london underground bolts were my fav.

2 of them & a box of beer. Made for some intense conversation..... :pfft:

Bring back real MDMA.

HA HA yes yes yes!!! 1 gram of mdma lots of water, talking shit to complete strangers that are now your best friends. oh and dancing for 6 hours straight = minus half a KG of fat LOL

[maccaz]

ahha the old bolts ay, clean as no headfuck

[bob26]

ahha the old bolts ay, clean as no headfuck

:nod:

[musclenz]

Normally you would not believe anything that Anthony Roberts writes he occasionally gets it right. One wonders though what his motive is in publishing this blog other than to further enhance his rather diminishing reputation as a steroid guru. Clearly he does not know the chemistry behind DMAA & how it converts it to MHA in the body which is what they test for. It really is not in our best interests to analyse this subject on a public forum as the FDA & WADA are looking to find any way for banning this substance. Lets just say it is chemically synthesised from geranium oil & Be Happy :wink:

[aidangro]

Do you guys think it is likely to be banned at some point in the near future? Do you know of anything else to replace it.

[ThePman]

Clearly he does not know the chemistry behind DMAA & how it converts it to MHA in the body which is what they test for.

Methylhexanamine is another name for dimethylamylamine, as far as I've ever heard. I'm curious what you're basing that comment on.

[Flex]

The person to ask would be Patrick Arnold as he was the first one to bring out Geranium extract as a dietary supplement and claim that dimethylpentylamine as an extract of Geranium. He's a bit dodge but knows more about chemicals than most people in the sports nut industry. I've been checking his blog a bit lately to see his take on it and he's just posted this:

Methylhexaneamine, also referred to as 1,3-dimethylamylamine (and by the trademark Geranamine), is a nutritional supplement ingredient that is marketed in diet and energy products. It made its entry into the supplement market in 2005 after the discovery of literature published in China that demonstrated it to be present in Geranium Oil (at least the variety of Geranium Oil produced in that region of China).

http://patrickarnoldblog.com/methylhexa ... formation/

I guess the person who did the labtest didn't test the right type of Geranium oil hence giving the result of not containing Methylhexanamine/DMAA etc or they intentionally were out to cause a stir by claiming that DMAA isn't naturally occurring and hence can't be sold as a dietary supplement. It's nothing to do with how the body metabolises it.