How many brands

[tomsammce]

andriod u dont see anyone gaining or retaining muscle faster than u?? LOL dude ur gains arent that spectacular and neither is ur knowledge of aas. when i was involved with a guy who now in prison he had his UG brand IMPACT.. he told me of at least 2 nz pro bodybuilders who he was selling it to top bodybuilders do use that shit like apollo etc, some even make there own in the kitchen. bodybuildings dark and dirty, people step on each others toes all the time and f*ck each other over without a care in the world its happening and u dnt even know it coz ur awed by a guy who u wanna look like this happens all the time. whatever ur getting told by some mr pro who u thinks ur friend or who ever is just as likley to be complete bullshit feed to u thru a straw

ur not taking turkish sus so dnt call it that... you dont actually know what it is do u?

man now im gonna have to make like 2 more posts coz u said so much crap in one post i cant quote all the bits i want to without spending valuable time sifting thru the shit.

[Android]

you guys must live under heavy power lines or something

I'm not taking turkish Sus250 fool, it's UG, UG, does that ring bells in your tiny little heads?

[tomsammce]

u just said ppl arent loyal, yes they are if they are gettign good results why wouldnt they be? then you just said you wouldnt use anything else but that list of gear.

i kno exactly where that stuff comes from and i have used it also so can comment. and advise people that the stuff from the sth island is much better and cheaper too.

[tomsammce]

why say u using turkish sus then?

thats what i was talkling bout earlier in thread what kind of homo needs to put a label on their ug gear saying made in turkey when there is no 10ml brown multi dose vial of sustanon ever even produed in turkey...

ill tell u y coz its fake and needs to be made beleivable... iv seen done before... amazing labelling to wow people and like moths to a lamp... idiots

u the ones under powerlines

[Android]

u just said ppl arent loyal, yes they are if they are gettign good results why wouldnt they be? then you just said you wouldnt use anything else but that list of gear.

i kno exactly where that stuff comes from and i have used it also so can comment. and advise people that the stuff from the sth island is much better and cheaper too.

I think you're too fast to judge and you havent read through properly.

Competitive people have less loyalty, they take what works and will help them win. They do factor in safety so they may err on the safe side and stick with one label or brand, but if they see fellow competitors gaining more they'll change, and fast.

Yes they do change, they'll stick with what's working unless proven otherwise....And you're saying the same thing

u just said ppl arent loyal, yes they are if they are gettign good results why wouldnt they be? then you just said you wouldnt use anything else but that list of gear.

I see the confusion, I said Turkish Sus instead of clear oily liquid to give it some context as to what I was referring to. It also has "Organon" on the label and I know it's not true but it's not crap gear...and no I don't selll it I don't have any interests in it I just know it's good gear and I know many who use it competively, pretty simple really

[samoan_muscle]

Of course they're also UG, what r u on about

Your post is unclear. I'm not sure what point you are trying make...and yes I've read it a couple of times.

You said Titan, Genesis and Apollo arent brands. Theyre just UG.

Here in the gear scene in NZ we classify them as brands. Theyre different UG brands sold/manufactured by different people.

Then you list the UG brands you are using...do you see them as being superior?

Still want to know though, how do you know what the top guys in NZ are using?? How do you know theyre not using Titan, Genesis or Apollo??

Just seems like a bullshit thing to say...

[Android]

Of course they're also UG, what r u on about

Your post is unclear. I'm not sure what point you are trying make...and yes I've read it a couple of times.

You said Titan, Genesis and Apollo arent brands. Theyre just UG.

Here in the gear scene in NZ we classify them as brands. Theyre different UG brands sold/manufactured by different people.

Then you list the UG brands you are using...do you see them as being superior?

Still want to know though, how do you know what the top guys in NZ are using?? How do you know theyre not using Titan, Genesis or Apollo??

Just seems like a bulls**t thing to say...

I'm not sure what a gear scene in NZ is? Am I part of this scene? If you call them brands then that's cool, they're all brands then ay.

That's right I don't see them as superior to what I take or I would have switched by now. Is that a hard pill to swallow? Don't you think the stuff you take is the best?, don't you think the decisions you take are ther best?

I was definitely correcting previous posts about the brands because the ones I take consistently do work. Lies are lies and I'm correcting them, feel free to bag my results from taking them though that might be a better angle.

I can't say and I wouldn't say anything more about competitors that's a given when talking about gear.

I'm not asking you to believe me I'm stating what I know and I get around the traps. Maybe not in your circles, maybe.

[tomsammce]

have u tryed the other 'brands' of gear andriod? i thought you hadnt been using that long?

look the guy you get yr shit off is a good guy im not disputing that but the gear isnt that good. that my opinion of his gear and his gear only... i say my opinions cause i dnt needa have my toungue up the arses of the so called 'big names' in nz bodybuilding im done with that shit... its a road that leads to no where.

now im telling you, i along with others have used that same gear in the past and we now use other sorts and these other sorts are much much better.

i dont really think you have used a wide enough range of the brands to have an fair opinion about it, or am i wrong there?

im no gear guru nor am i claiming to be i just can tell when one is better than the other... its not rocket science.

[thatwaslight]

I know of competitors that use all the brands named...just sayin

[clash]

This is the reason why a discussion subject like this is vital for the enhanced sports people and hard core trainers out there.

When you read through a thread like this you soon see what brands are being trusted by competitors at the top of their respective sports.

From that, you can make choices based of the fact that their are some really successful (and huge) competitors and trainers out there that are using very high quality AAS.

What brands are they using - Any brand (and some others) that have been recommended as reliable in this thread.

:nod:

No not at all, and I'm not picking on you here but you're getting unfactual information given to you in a factual way and sounds like you're beliveing it. You're not hearing from the Elite, not that I can see anyway.

The TOP competitors don't want anyone to know that they take anything, and better yet, what they take.

I've been taking EuroPharma and Biotech and Steris and Turkish Sustanon and everything else from that "stable" and I think I've done pretty well from it.

I've been open about my gains here online and I take relatively small amounts of gear (this cycle excluded, previous ones aren't high apart from occassional 2-week Suspension stint...you get me drift)

Brands?

LOL they are nothing but labels on bottles, not brands.

Do you think someone is going to make labels with: "Bob's Enanthate" on it? You must live under heavy power lines. It doesn't matter what the label looks like or if it tries to copy the real-deal...it's UG man let's be real about this.

What does matter is that you know others who rely upon it for competitive purposes, not casual gym use to get bigger, but big for competitions.

Because if you're taking what the top ranks are taking then you know you're taking good s**t. And there's plenty of bulls**t about who takes what going on right now and none of it's true.

Trust me big competitive guys aren't taking Titan, Apollo, or Genesis. Competitive people have less loyalty, they take what works and will help them win. They do factor in safety so they may err on the safe side and stick with one label or brand, but if they see fellow competitors gaining more they'll change, and fast.

I would change, but I don't see anyone gaining and retaining muscle mass faster. I do see guys bigger than me who have been dong gear for way longer, that's different. I'm new here in terms of the competitive bodybuilding scene.

I have no issues with quality, wrong labels, and wouldn't use anything else but these:

Biotech labels: DBol, Winny, Clen, and DHEA

Steris labels: Test-E, Test-C, Test-P

EuroPharma labels: Tren-A

EuroChem labels: Boldenone

I can't remember the Deca labels, and Sustanon are the dark bottles with Turkish writing on them (I'm not sold stories about getting real-deal Sus250 out of the back of a Turkish warehouse or whatever)

Some gear is legit and no need to buy UG...there's adequate access to legit Susupension, HGH, Amps, Depot-Cyp, Anapalon, and PCT gear.

And don't PM me asking to buy or sell me gear LOL, it sounds and is desperate.

So is saying some great NZ bodybuilder takes it, yeah that's doing the rounds at the moment as well, kind of sad tbh.

Unless YOU'VE won a major title in the last 5 years with YOUR gear...you're dreaming if you think smart competitive guys will switch. Only those hard-up for cash would consider a cheaper deal and the reason is not because it's better gear, but because it's cheaper, LOL.

Now we are getting somewhere. This is exactly what I wanted to see on this post.

Thanx for your addition to this Android, and the list of what gear you trust.

I must correct you on one point only. You stated

"big competitive guys aren't taking Titan, Apollo, or Genesis."

This statement is ABSOLUTELY false.

This was the purpose all along. To get good information on what gear experienced people are taking and what to avoid.

I would not dream of PMing anyone asking to purchase gear, that was not the intention.

And yes I have won more than one "major" title in NZ in the last 5 years including an over all title on the gear that I use and trust :shock:

I know there is too much potentially dangerous rubbish gear floating around lately and a thread like this can help people avoid being scammed by poor quality gear being sold by poor quality people that are not even taking there own products and are not even involved in sport!

[musclenz]

"Trust me big competitive guys aren't taking Titan, Apollo, or Genesis. Competitive people have less loyalty, they take what works and will help them win. They do factor in safety so they may err on the safe side and stick with one label or brand, but if they see fellow competitors gaining more they'll change, and fast.

M8 I'm not going to bag your gear. In fact I have just commented on your cycle thread in a positive manner. The labs you have mentioned may produce good quality gear. I have not used any of those you mention although I do know about some of them from visits to their websites etc. However, I take exception to the above claim you make. I personally know some of NZs top BBers that compete in NZ & at an International level & I can assure you some of them do use these respected brands & have achieved success on International stages using the same. Please do not make generalised statements of fact on here unless you can substantiate your claims not based on a whim but on solid evidence.

[samoan_muscle]

Of course they're also UG, what r u on about

Your post is unclear. I'm not sure what point you are trying make...and yes I've read it a couple of times.

You said Titan, Genesis and Apollo arent brands. Theyre just UG.

Here in the gear scene in NZ we classify them as brands. Theyre different UG brands sold/manufactured by different people.

Then you list the UG brands you are using...do you see them as being superior?

Still want to know though, how do you know what the top guys in NZ are using?? How do you know theyre not using Titan, Genesis or Apollo??

Just seems like a bulls**t thing to say...

I'm not sure what a gear scene in NZ is? Am I part of this scene? If you call them brands then that's cool, they're all brands then ay.

That's right I don't see them as superior to what I take or I would have switched by now. Is that a hard pill to swallow? Don't you think the stuff you take is the best?, don't you think the decisions you take are ther best?

I was definitely correcting previous posts about the brands because the ones I take consistently do work. Lies are lies and I'm correcting them, feel free to bag my results from taking them though that might be a better angle.

I can't say and I wouldn't say anything more about competitors that's a given when talking about gear.

I'm not asking you to believe me I'm stating what I know and I get around the traps. Maybe not in your circles, maybe.

Looks like I hit a nerve.

Gear scene? Yeah there is. God your arrogant.

I would say youre pretty green in regards to the whole subject.

I know many people who have complained about the lack of results from the Biotech labs stuff and know people who say they have gotten results from it. So what youre saying is that the guys that didnt get results from it are lying?? I know all about this stuff I used to sell it when it first came out in NZ.

I would say your results are average if anything. I'm not sure what you're on about. Everyone else on here may suck up to you and oohhh and ahhh at your journal but I'll say it how it is....

You've made a very generalised ignorant claim...saying none of the top guys use it when in fact they do. You sure arent one of the top guys if thats what your trying to say...(neither am I if you try that angle).

Good luck with that Mr NZ title....pfffttt

[JamesR32GTR]

"Trust me big competitive guys aren't taking Titan, Apollo, or Genesis. Competitive people have less loyalty, they take what works and will help them win. They do factor in safety so they may err on the safe side and stick with one label or brand, but if they see fellow competitors gaining more they'll change, and fast.

M8 I'm not going to bag your gear. In fact I have just commented on your cycle thread in a positive manner. The labs you have mentioned may produce good quality gear. I have not used any of those you mention although I do know about some of them from visits to their websites etc. However, I take exception to the above claim you make. I personally know some of NZs top BBers that compete in NZ & at an International level & I can assure you some of them do use these respected brands & have achieved success on International stages using the same. Please do not make generalised statements of fact on here unless you can substantiate your claims not based on a whim but on solid evidence.

Good truthfull post

[crazyfacials]

Nvm

[Android]

Roid rage, the assault charge last year has calmed me down a bit so I can't afford to do a half-arsed job of it next time someone gives me the finger.

It's amazing how good gear makes you feel like you're the alpha male and you don't back down from anything, usually I would use my head to solve a problem or ignore idiots altogether.

That's a nice clear pic btw, you don't have the entire range could you post up more perhaps there's stuff I've not tried.

Look I'm rapt that I rattled a few cages here and yes thanks MNZ top competitors may use Apollo or Empire, that was off track from my original reason for posting and shows I was a little irate with trash talk that came across as factual.

I'm not even going to doubt that some of you who brought these same brands as me have had a bad experience, but my experience is nothing like what was described and if you eat well and train well you'll not only get results but you'll get to keep them too.

I'd like to see pics of some of the guys on here taking Apollo tbh, be good to see how they are doing on this gear rather than just having me post my progress.

As per the request aimed at me, perhaps someone can enlighten us on who the top guys are that take those brands...yeah I thought not

[HarryB]

I'm still reading the bit where Tomsance says he got loads of stuff to offload and did so knowing it was fake lol... man is anyone you sold to reading this forum? lol

[tomsammce]

This is the reason why a discussion subject like this is vital for the enhanced sports people and hard core trainers out there.

When you read through a thread like this you soon see what brands are being trusted by competitors at the top of their respective sports.

From that, you can make choices based of the fact that their are some really successful (and huge) competitors and trainers out there that are using very high quality AAS.

What brands are they using - Any brand (and some others) that have been recommended as reliable in this thread.

:nod:

No not at all, and I'm not picking on you here but you're getting unfactual information given to you in a factual way and sounds like you're beliveing it. You're not hearing from the Elite, not that I can see anyway.

The TOP competitors don't want anyone to know that they take anything, and better yet, what they take.

I've been taking EuroPharma and Biotech and Steris and Turkish Sustanon and everything else from that "stable" and I think I've done pretty well from it.

I've been open about my gains here online and I take relatively small amounts of gear (this cycle excluded, previous ones aren't high apart from occassional 2-week Suspension stint...you get me drift)

Brands?

LOL they are nothing but labels on bottles, not brands.

Do you think someone is going to make labels with: "Bob's Enanthate" on it? You must live under heavy power lines. It doesn't matter what the label looks like or if it tries to copy the real-deal...it's UG man let's be real about this.

What does matter is that you know others who rely upon it for competitive purposes, not casual gym use to get bigger, but big for competitions.

Because if you're taking what the top ranks are taking then you know you're taking good s**t. And there's plenty of bulls**t about who takes what going on right now and none of it's true.

Trust me big competitive guys aren't taking Titan, Apollo, or Genesis. Competitive people have less loyalty, they take what works and will help them win. They do factor in safety so they may err on the safe side and stick with one label or brand, but if they see fellow competitors gaining more they'll change, and fast.

I would change, but I don't see anyone gaining and retaining muscle mass faster. I do see guys bigger than me who have been dong gear for way longer, that's different. I'm new here in terms of the competitive bodybuilding scene.

I have no issues with quality, wrong labels, and wouldn't use anything else but these:

Biotech labels: DBol, Winny, Clen, and DHEA

Steris labels: Test-E, Test-C, Test-P

EuroPharma labels: Tren-A

EuroChem labels: Boldenone

I can't remember the Deca labels, and Sustanon are the dark bottles with Turkish writing on them (I'm not sold stories about getting real-deal Sus250 out of the back of a Turkish warehouse or whatever)

Some gear is legit and no need to buy UG...there's adequate access to legit Susupension, HGH, Amps, Depot-Cyp, Anapalon, and PCT gear.

And don't PM me asking to buy or sell me gear LOL, it sounds and is desperate.

So is saying some great NZ bodybuilder takes it, yeah that's doing the rounds at the moment as well, kind of sad tbh.

Unless YOU'VE won a major title in the last 5 years with YOUR gear...you're dreaming if you think smart competitive guys will switch. Only those hard-up for cash would consider a cheaper deal and the reason is not because it's better gear, but because it's cheaper, LOL.

Now we are getting somewhere. This is exactly what I wanted to see on this post.

Thanx for your addition to this Android, and the list of what gear you trust.

I must correct you on one point only. You stated

"big competitive guys aren't taking Titan, Apollo, or Genesis."

This statement is ABSOLUTELY false.

This was the purpose all along. To get good information on what gear experienced people are taking and what to avoid.

I would not dream of PMing anyone asking to purchase gear, that was not the intention.

And yes I have won more than one "major" title in NZ in the last 5 years including an over all title on the gear that I use and trust :shock:

I know there is too much potentially dangerous rubbish gear floating around lately and a thread like this can help people avoid being scammed by poor quality gear being sold by poor quality people that are not even taking there own products and are not even involved in sport!

clash, i mostly agree but its not hard to say sumthing is good when its fake and to market the shit out of it and use sumthing totally different that is good. if your selling bunk gear then u will speak highly of it... thats a no brainer. at the end of day its a forum and the majority of peopl on here are anonymous.

and i know for fact that everyone who posts in the steroid section is pming each other... iv been on this forum for years and have received 100s of pms from ppl and have sent 100s. if ur gonna publicy post on the topic of steroids in the forum why would u not pm about it? that doesnt make sense... people are and have made thousands of dollars from the use of the private messaging on this forum, its probably the best way to build a network to sell aas in this country.

[tomsammce]

I'm still reading the bit where Tomsance says he got loads of stuff to offload and did so knowing it was fake lol... man is anyone you sold to reading this forum? lol

i said i was offered loads of stuff to offload, not got.

[tomsammce]

Roid rage, the assault charge last year has calmed me down a bit so I can't afford to do a half-arsed job of it next time someone gives me the finger.

It's amazing how good gear makes you feel like you're the alpha male and you don't back down from anything, usually I would use my head to solve a problem or ignore idiots altogether.

That's a nice clear pic btw, you don't have the entire range could you post up more perhaps there's stuff I've not tried.

Look I'm rapt that I rattled a few cages here and yes thanks MNZ top competitors may use Apollo or Empire, that was off track from my original reason for posting and shows I was a little irate with trash talk that came across as factual.

I'm not even going to doubt that some of you who brought these same brands as me have had a bad experience, but my experience is nothing like what was described and if you eat well and train well you'll not only get results but you'll get to keep them too.

I'd like to see pics of some of the guys on here taking Apollo tbh, be good to see how they are doing on this gear rather than just having me post my progress.

As per the request aimed at me, perhaps someone can enlighten us on who the top guys are that take those brands...yeah I thought not

dude ur crazy!

come do the novice powerlifting comp on saturday at ymca mt albert... you can show how good ur gear is there.

[clash]

Roid rage, the assault charge last year has calmed me down a bit so I can't afford to do a half-arsed job of it next time someone gives me the finger.

It's amazing how good gear makes you feel like you're the alpha male and you don't back down from anything, usually I would use my head to solve a problem or ignore idiots altogether.

That's a nice clear pic btw, you don't have the entire range could you post up more perhaps there's stuff I've not tried.

Look I'm rapt that I rattled a few cages here and yes thanks MNZ top competitors may use Apollo or Empire, that was off track from my original reason for posting and shows I was a little irate with trash talk that came across as factual.

I'm not even going to doubt that some of you who brought these same brands as me have had a bad experience, but my experience is nothing like what was described and if you eat well and train well you'll not only get results but you'll get to keep them too.

I'd like to see pics of some of the guys on here taking Apollo tbh, be good to see how they are doing on this gear rather than just having me post my progress.

As per the request aimed at me, perhaps someone can enlighten us on who the top guys are that take those brands...yeah I thought not

I am sorry if I offended you with trash talk that was fractual, although you are the only person who saw it as such.

Being a seasoned competitor myself, it is my gains and progress I like to keep from my competitors, not the suppliments I use to help me achieve them. I prefer an even playing field when it comes to suppliments and AAS so will openly disclose this to my commrades and fellow competitors.

If you would like to see stats and progress pics, I would be happy to share this information with anyone over a less public media.

I will also be happy to inform you of exactlty which AAS I use...but I will ONLY supply you with the information and point you in the right direction. I DO NOT supply AAS

[clash]

No not at all, and I'm not picking on you here but you're getting unfactual information given to you in a factual way and sounds like you're beliveing it. You're not hearing from the Elite, not that I can see anyway.

The TOP competitors don't want anyone to know that they take anything, and better yet, what they take.

I've been taking EuroPharma and Biotech and Steris and Turkish Sustanon and everything else from that "stable" and I think I've done pretty well from it.

I've been open about my gains here online and I take relatively small amounts of gear (this cycle excluded, previous ones aren't high apart from occassional 2-week Suspension stint...you get me drift)

Brands?

LOL they are nothing but labels on bottles, not brands.

Do you think someone is going to make labels with: "Bob's Enanthate" on it? You must live under heavy power lines. It doesn't matter what the label looks like or if it tries to copy the real-deal...it's UG man let's be real about this.

What does matter is that you know others who rely upon it for competitive purposes, not casual gym use to get bigger, but big for competitions.

Because if you're taking what the top ranks are taking then you know you're taking good s**t. And there's plenty of bulls**t about who takes what going on right now and none of it's true.

Trust me big competitive guys aren't taking Titan, Apollo, or Genesis. Competitive people have less loyalty, they take what works and will help them win. They do factor in safety so they may err on the safe side and stick with one label or brand, but if they see fellow competitors gaining more they'll change, and fast.

I would change, but I don't see anyone gaining and retaining muscle mass faster. I do see guys bigger than me who have been dong gear for way longer, that's different. I'm new here in terms of the competitive bodybuilding scene.

I have no issues with quality, wrong labels, and wouldn't use anything else but these:

Biotech labels: DBol, Winny, Clen, and DHEA

Steris labels: Test-E, Test-C, Test-P

EuroPharma labels: Tren-A

EuroChem labels: Boldenone

I can't remember the Deca labels, and Sustanon are the dark bottles with Turkish writing on them (I'm not sold stories about getting real-deal Sus250 out of the back of a Turkish warehouse or whatever)

Some gear is legit and no need to buy UG...there's adequate access to legit Susupension, HGH, Amps, Depot-Cyp, Anapalon, and PCT gear.

And don't PM me asking to buy or sell me gear LOL, it sounds and is desperate.

So is saying some great NZ bodybuilder takes it, yeah that's doing the rounds at the moment as well, kind of sad tbh.

Unless YOU'VE won a major title in the last 5 years with YOUR gear...you're dreaming if you think smart competitive guys will switch. Only those hard-up for cash would consider a cheaper deal and the reason is not because it's better gear, but because it's cheaper, LOL.

Now we are getting somewhere. This is exactly what I wanted to see on this post.

Thanx for your addition to this Android, and the list of what gear you trust.

I must correct you on one point only. You stated

"big competitive guys aren't taking Titan, Apollo, or Genesis."

This statement is ABSOLUTELY false.

This was the purpose all along. To get good information on what gear experienced people are taking and what to avoid.

I would not dream of PMing anyone asking to purchase gear, that was not the intention.

And yes I have won more than one "major" title in NZ in the last 5 years including an over all title on the gear that I use and trust :shock:

I know there is too much potentially dangerous rubbish gear floating around lately and a thread like this can help people avoid being scammed by poor quality gear being sold by poor quality people that are not even taking there own products and are not even involved in sport!

clash, i mostly agree but its not hard to say sumthing is good when its fake and to market the shit out of it and use sumthing totally different that is good. if your selling bunk gear then u will speak highly of it... thats a no brainer. at the end of day its a forum and the majority of peopl on here are anonymous.

and i know for fact that everyone who posts in the steroid section is pming each other... iv been on this forum for years and have received 100s of pms from ppl and have sent 100s. if ur gonna publicy post on the topic of steroids in the forum why would u not pm about it? that doesnt make sense... people are and have made thousands of dollars from the use of the private messaging on this forum, its probably the best way to build a network to sell aas in this country.

Maybe I was not clear in my post

I have received and sent private messages relating to general questions associated with steroids, doses, training etc.

But I have NEVER and will NEVER send a private message on this forum asking to purchase steroids.

And there is no-one on this forum that can claim that I have!

[tomsammce]

ah ok i see.

[Android]

ah ok i see.

I thought u already beat me with your bigger back lol now u wanna outlift me...115kg guy benching 160 isn't gonna break any records besides I'm not a powerlifter, and don't tell technique doesn't matter it helps lift a bit more.

U sound like a liability to me, like a loose canon

Clash that's cool no offense I just quoted your reply to set my views straight, I'd be keen to catchup

[tomsammce]

ah ok i see.

I thought u already beat me with your bigger back lol now u wanna outlift me...115kg guy benching 160 isn't gonna break any records besides I'm not a powerlifter, and don't tell technique doesn't matter it helps lift a bit more.

U sound like a liability to me, like a loose canon

i dont have technique either and you cant break records its a novice comp. well gear makes you stronger not just bigger... so yaaannooooo... show us what the turkish sus can do... lol