Clenbutrol

[samoan_muscle]

For a veteran like yourself there is no comparison. Why take a precursor when you can take the real thing :nod:

But for the inexperienced T4 is a better and safer choice. It will offer similar results with a margin for error if you muck up the dose. T3 is for the experienced person only and mistakes do and have caused hospitalisation. I have witnessed this personally. Much of the responsibility needs to lie with the supplier. Giving potentially dangerous compounds to inexperinced people is bad practice for everyone :naughty:

Excuse my ignorance. What is EC an abbreviation for?

Good post above ^ :nod:

Yeah as Opti said EC is ECA minus the A.

[musclenz]

For a veteran like yourself there is no comparison. Why take a precursor when you can take the real thing :nod:

But for the inexperienced T4 is a better and safer choice. It will offer similar results with a margin for error if you muck up the dose. T3 is for the experienced person only and mistakes do and have caused hospitalisation. I have witnessed this personally. Much of the responsibility needs to lie with the supplier. Giving potentially dangerous compounds to inexperinced people is bad practice for everyone :naughty:

Excuse my ignorance. What is EC an abbreviation for?

Good post above ^ :nod:

Yeah as Opti said EC is ECA minus the A.

Definately one hormone where less is better. Even 50mcg ed can be effective & underlies the potential hazards of using T3.

[HumanPerformance]

Another way in which clen lowers bodyfat which I havent seen mentioned yet (which has only recently been discoverd) is by the inhibition of a of a protein called SREBP-1c. This protein increses fat storage. Once a meal is eaten it is insulin that siganals SREBP-1c to store some of the food as body fat. Clen blocks SREBP thus reducing fat storage.

A promising new B2 agonist that has recently been aproved by the FDA is Formoterol. Formoterol is considered to be a "full agonist" of the beta receptor where as Clenbuterol is only a "partial agonist', in animal studies Formoterol has been shown to increase muscle by %20 as well as reducing body fat, as opposed to clen increasing it by %6.

Good posts from clash on this subject !

[Android]

Sounds promising but too good to b true...20% muscle gain and 6% fat loss sounds like the ultimate lean bulking agent, hope it does that for humans.

Just realized who u r mate, good to have your input onboard we've bumped into each other at shows and gyms over last few years.

[Chemo]

Awesome info clash! I think with that said in retrospect, maybe my experiences with clen were not optimal as I compensated quite a bit with the intention of combating catabolism...maybe i'll revisit again then.

Formoterol....do want :twisted:

[HumanPerformance]

Sounds promising but too good to b true...20% muscle gain and 6% fat loss sounds like the ultimate lean bulking agent, hope it does that for humans.

Just realized who u r mate, good to have your input onboard we've bumped into each other at shows and gyms over last few years.

Oh who are you mate? Send me a PM if you dont want to put it on here

[musclenz]

Another way in which clen lowers bodyfat which I havent seen mentioned yet (which has only recently been discoverd) is by the inhibition of a of a protein called SREBP-1c. This protein increses fat storage. Once a meal is eaten it is insulin that siganals SREBP-1c to store some of the food as body fat. Clen blocks SREBP thus reducing fat storage.

A promising new B2 agonist that has recently been aproved by the FDA is Formoterol. Formoterol is considered to be a "full agonist" of the beta receptor where as Clenbuterol is only a "partial agonist', in animal studies Formoterol has been shown to increase muscle by %20 as well as reducing body fat, as opposed to clen increasing it by %6.

Good posts from clash on this subject !

Apparently the "new" clenbuterol. Have you had any experience using this? Sounds like a much better product thean clen as its anabolic not catabolic like clen can be esp without supporting AAS & BCAAs.

[clash]

Another way in which clen lowers bodyfat which I havent seen mentioned yet (which has only recently been discoverd) is by the inhibition of a of a protein called SREBP-1c. This protein increses fat storage. Once a meal is eaten it is insulin that siganals SREBP-1c to store some of the food as body fat. Clen blocks SREBP thus reducing fat storage.

A promising new B2 agonist that has recently been aproved by the FDA is Formoterol. Formoterol is considered to be a "full agonist" of the beta receptor where as Clenbuterol is only a "partial agonist', in animal studies Formoterol has been shown to increase muscle by %20 as well as reducing body fat, as opposed to clen increasing it by %6. !

I know very little about Formoterol But based on what you have written above, does "full agonist" mean that Formoterol is a full agonist of just the beta 2 receptoror is it more similar in its action to Ephedrine which is not only a beta 2 rececptor agonist but an agonist of beta receptors 1-4 and sub receptors also?

[HumanPerformance]

Another way in which clen lowers bodyfat which I havent seen mentioned yet (which has only recently been discoverd) is by the inhibition of a of a protein called SREBP-1c. This protein increses fat storage. Once a meal is eaten it is insulin that siganals SREBP-1c to store some of the food as body fat. Clen blocks SREBP thus reducing fat storage.

A promising new B2 agonist that has recently been aproved by the FDA is Formoterol. Formoterol is considered to be a "full agonist" of the beta receptor where as Clenbuterol is only a "partial agonist', in animal studies Formoterol has been shown to increase muscle by %20 as well as reducing body fat, as opposed to clen increasing it by %6.

Good posts from clash on this subject !

Apparently the "new" clenbuterol. Have you had any experience using this? Sounds like a much better product thean clen as its anabolic not catabolic like clen can be esp without supporting AAS & BCAAs.

Good to see you alive and well mate,

No havent had any experience as yet with it.

[HumanPerformance]

Another way in which clen lowers bodyfat which I havent seen mentioned yet (which has only recently been discoverd) is by the inhibition of a of a protein called SREBP-1c. This protein increses fat storage. Once a meal is eaten it is insulin that siganals SREBP-1c to store some of the food as body fat. Clen blocks SREBP thus reducing fat storage.

A promising new B2 agonist that has recently been aproved by the FDA is Formoterol. Formoterol is considered to be a "full agonist" of the beta receptor where as Clenbuterol is only a "partial agonist', in animal studies Formoterol has been shown to increase muscle by %20 as well as reducing body fat, as opposed to clen increasing it by %6. !

I know very little about Formoterol But based on what you have written above, does "full agonist" mean that Formoterol is a full agonist of just the beta 2 receptoror is it more similar in its action to Ephedrine which is not only a beta 2 rececptor agonist but an agonist of beta receptors 1-4 and sub receptors also?

The term "full agonist" refers to fact that it has a higher receptor affinity to the B2 receptor, and thus a longer duration of action. And mediates a greater cellular response (production of cAMP) than clen does. The article I read did not mention anyhting at all about its affinity to receptors 1-4 so I cant answer that sorry. It did mention that the studies that were performed found out that while clen does not cause an increase in IGF -1 serum concentration levels it does activate IGF-1 expression in skeletal muscel at the mRNA level which may cause hypertrophy to said muscle, which I thought was interesting.

[clash]

Another way in which clen lowers bodyfat which I havent seen mentioned yet (which has only recently been discoverd) is by the inhibition of a of a protein called SREBP-1c. This protein increses fat storage. Once a meal is eaten it is insulin that siganals SREBP-1c to store some of the food as body fat. Clen blocks SREBP thus reducing fat storage.

A promising new B2 agonist that has recently been aproved by the FDA is Formoterol. Formoterol is considered to be a "full agonist" of the beta receptor where as Clenbuterol is only a "partial agonist', in animal studies Formoterol has been shown to increase muscle by %20 as well as reducing body fat, as opposed to clen increasing it by %6. !

I know very little about Formoterol But based on what you have written above, does "full agonist" mean that Formoterol is a full agonist of just the beta 2 receptoror is it more similar in its action to Ephedrine which is not only a beta 2 rececptor agonist but an agonist of beta receptors 1-4 and sub receptors also?

The term "full agonist" refers to fact that it has a higher receptor affinity to the B2 receptor, and thus a longer duration of action. And mediates a greater cellular response (production of cAMP) than clen does. The article I read did not mention anyhting at all about its affinity to receptors 1-4 so I cant answer that sorry. It did mention that the studies that were performed found out that while clen does not cause an increase in IGF -1 serum concentration levels it does activate IGF-1 expression in skeletal muscel at the mRNA level which may cause hypertrophy to said muscle, which I thought was interesting.

That is very interesting information re-igf-1!

Has Formoterol been classified in New Zealand? If not, is it available for purchase anywhere?

[Usual Suspect]

Some good info in this thread!

For me Clen is one of the most mind altering AAS I've used. When I'm on full dose I am more impatient and my sense of humor drys up quite a bit. Stacked with high levels of test, low carb diet and drained from cardio I'm not the nicest guy to be around. I know it's the clen goes I run 2 on 2 off, and on the 2 off I feel alot better.

Anyone else experience similar?

[Optimass]

Some good info in this thread!

For me Clen is one of the most mind altering AAS I've used. When I'm on full dose I am more impatient and my sense of humor drys up quite a bit. Stacked with high levels of test, low carb diet and drained from cardio I'm not the nicest guy to be around. I know it's the clen goes I run 2 on 2 off, and on the 2 off I feel alot better.

Anyone else experience similar?

It's not a steroid mate. The high test, low carb diet and cardio will be contributing more to your sunny disposition (more the low carb than anything).

[clash]

I agree with Optimass on that one. Try taking Clen when you are not dieting and you are not on high test. It is quite stimulating