Clenbutrol

[Optimass]

500g tub. approx $90 wholesale to vet.

agree with taste, but then I'm not sure your horse is going to complain much :pfft:

[WANABJAKD]

500g tub. approx $90 wholesale to vet.

agree with taste, but then I'm not sure your horse is going to complain much :pfft:

what is this stuff dosed at?

[crazyfacials]

wow 90 bucks? I think it's time to buy/borrow a horse

[Ronin]

That was wholesale to the vet. Retail is closer to $200

[severe]

500g tub. approx $90 wholesale to vet.

agree with taste, but then I'm not sure your horse is going to complain much :pfft:

That's it, but when I had it I am sure it was an all white container. It tastes like pool chlorine.

[clash]

500g tub. approx $90 wholesale to vet.

agree with taste, but then I'm not sure your horse is going to complain much :pfft:

what is this stuff dosed at?

Each gram of granules contains 16 micrograms of clenbuterol hydrochloride. Used as a Treatment of respiratory disease in horses.

So in each gram, 986mcg are additives...that is the main reason that is tastes so foul!

This liquid Clenbuterol when made properly is made consists of "PURE" 100% Clenbuterol Hydrochloride power, 0.2% Benzyl alcohol for sterility and distilled water

[bang_bang]

iv been doing a bit of reading on clen but most of what iv found seems to be scaremongering bullshit.. has anyone here had a bad experience on it? or tried it while not on the roids and noticed an increase in muscle mass as well as dropped fat? my main concern is it may enlarge my heart :?

[severe]

I tried it before I did gear, and it cut me up like Bruce Lee. I never noticed mass, but what I had then was definitely noticable.

[Optimass]

I tried it before I did gear, and it cut me up like Bruce Lee. I never noticed mass, but what I had then was definitely noticable.

:ditto:

Only bad experience was my wife descided to give it ago before a nursing shift and had to come home early as she couldn't hold a needle steady to install a drip. Thats what you get for play'n with papabears toys without asking first :pfft: (She has seen me dose a full teaspoon and thought this as normal :nod: - needless to say I hide my thermos now as she often sneaks them on the back of a choc binge :grin: )

[crazyfacials]

how effective is dosing clen by itself without T3? when I asked my friend about T3 they said "oh...I don't really have T3, BUT I have tabs that are BOTH T3 and T4 (ps. I thought T4 converts to T3 in your body??)

I am thinking of running it with some OTC fat burner, or would that be a waste?

[Optimass]

It works pretty good on its own. 2 weeks on 4 off with a thermo cycle between each. Works nice with winnie.

not an expert on T4 but I thought it wasn;t that effective as a supplement - T3 is the most acclaimed of the two.

[Chemo]

I tried it before I did gear, and it cut me up like Bruce Lee. I never noticed mass, but what I had then was definitely noticable.

Wow that's quite a statement, I never really got any noticeable fatloss outta clen ay. I'm willing to try again on cycle but prob won't bother off cycle.

Ive been warned by many that it can be quite catabolic. Anyone experienced catabolism on clen?

[clash]

There is a huge amount of misinformation going on on this thread...

Clenbuterol will result in fat loss when taken correctly. It stimulates the Beta 2 receptor which is basically responsible for increase heart rate and nervous system. This stimulant effect causes an increase in calorie expenditure which in turn will cause thermogenesis through fat burning. To know if the Clenbuterol you are have got is the real thing. Test you resting heart rate in the morning before taking it. Then test it again the next morning after taking it. There should be a core body temperature increase of approximately 0.5 degrees and an increase in resting heart rate of up to 30%. With these effects taking place the only outcome is fat loss!

Clenbuterol is not catabolic, in fact it is anti-catabolic, quite the opposite. There is a lot of debate over this statement but the stimulating effect of Clenbuterol alone forces you to train in excess of you normal intensity and this alone will cause increases in lean mass if the nutrition is geared to support this.

If you take Clenbuterol and do not maintain healthy nutrition with high protein intake, it is possible that your actions will cause a catabolic response. This is not the effect of Clenbuterol but the lack of knowledge on the part of the person taking it.

Should you take T3 & Clenbuterol together? - I would not ever recommend this practice to anyone except for the most experienced sports people at the top of their field that have specific goals and a vast knowledge of T3 in particular. T3 is a potentially dangerous hormone that if taken incorrectly can be very hazzardous to your health.

Is T4 effect for fat burning? And is there such a thing as a tablet that is both T3 & T4??? T4 is a VERY effective fat burner and a much safer option that T3. T4 converts to T3 in the liver. The body normally produces approximately 76mcg of T4/day which is then converted to approximately 26mcg of T3. The body can not convert more than 400mcg of T4 into approximately 100mcg of T3/day. So at a dose 400mcg of T4/day, your base metabolism is increased by 400%! This is incredibly useful and effective for fat loss and lean muscle gain in a high protein enviromment. DO NOT START YOU DOSE AT 400MCG/DAY. ramp it up slowly. You can not overdose on T4, (not true with T3!) but starting on a high dose will cause some very uncomfortable side effects.

When someone tells you he has got T4/T3 tablets, he is trying to sell you T4 tablets which will convert to T3 when taken :-)

Any claims of enlarged hearts and other exaggerated side effects from taking Clenbuterol are completely unfounded. Clenbuterol interacts with the same receptor as caffeine, only it does it to a much more effective degree. The negative side effets from Clenbuterol only usually last a few days and include dehydration, headaches, shaking hands, sweats and heightened anxiety.

Clenbuterol is not a magic pill. If you just take it and expect to lose fat you may be dissapointed. It can assist in the loss of very respectable ammounts of excess adipose tissue (fat) if your level of exercise and your nutrition also support fat loss.

This is a general overview and some more technical facts have been left out to make the information easier to digest. It is not meant at all to be the last word on the clen/T3/T4 debate, just help to answer the most basic of questions

[samoan_muscle]

There is a huge amount of misinformation going on on this thread...

Clenbuterol will result in fat loss when taken correctly. It stimulates the Beta 2 receptor which is basically responsible for increase heart rate and nervous system. This stimulant effect causes an increase in calorie expenditure which in turn will cause thermogenesis through fat burning. To know if the Clenbuterol you are have got is the real thing. Test you resting heart rate in the morning before taking it. Then test it again the next morning after taking it. There should be a core body temperature increase of approximately 0.5 degrees and an increase in resting heart rate of up to 30%. With these effects taking place the only outcome is fat loss!

Clenbuterol is not catabolic, in fact it is anti-catabolic, quite the opposite. There is a lot of debate over this statement but the stimulating effect of Clenbuterol alone forces you to train in excess of you normal intensity and this alone will cause increases in lean mass if the nutrition is geared to support this.

If you take Clenbuterol and do not maintain healthy nutrition with high protein intake, it is possible that your actions will cause a catabolic response. This is not the effect of Clenbuterol but the lack of knowledge on the part of the person taking it.

Should you take T3 & Clenbuterol together? - I would not ever recommend this practice to anyone except for the most experienced sports people at the top of their field that have specific goals and a vast knowledge of T3 in particular. T3 is a potentially dangerous hormone that if taken incorrectly can be very hazzardous to your health.

Is T4 effect for fat burning? And is there such a thing as a tablet that is both T3 & T4??? T4 is a VERY effective fat burner and a much safer option that T3. T4 converts to T3 in the liver. The body normally produces approximately 76mcg of T4/day which is then converted to approximately 26mcg of T3. The body can not convert more than 400mcg of T4 into approximately 100mcg of T3/day. So at a dose 400mcg of T4/day, your base metabolism is increased by 400%! This is incredibly useful and effective for fat loss and lean muscle gain in a high protein enviromment. DO NOT START YOU DOSE AT 400MCG/DAY. ramp it up slowly. You can not overdose on T4, (not true with T3!) but starting on a high dose will cause some very uncomfortable side effects.

When someone tells you he has got T4/T3 tablets, he is trying to sell you T4 tablets which will convert to T3 when taken :-)

Any claims of enlarged hearts and other exaggerated side effects from taking Clenbuterol are completely unfounded. Clenbuterol interacts with the same receptor as caffeine, only it does it to a much more effective degree. The negative side effets from Clenbuterol only usually last a few days and include dehydration, headaches, shaking hands, sweats and heightened anxiety.

Clenbuterol is not a magic pill. If you just take it and expect to lose fat you may be dissapointed. It can assist in the loss of very respectable ammounts of excess adipose tissue (fat) if your level of exercise and your nutrition also support fat loss.

This is a general overview and some more technical facts have been left out to make the information easier to digest. It is not meant at all to be the last word on the clen/T3/T4 debate, just help to answer the most basic of questions

The Stimulating properties of clen certainly doesn’t improve my performance in the gym. Shit makes me tired and lethargic. Doesnt stop me from running it though!

I think T4 is basically worthless. T4 needs TSH to convert to T3. TSH is suppressed when any(?) amount of T4 or T3 is taken exogenously basically rendering T4 useless. T3 is by far the more active and effective hormone.

You certainly cant say that 400mcg of T4 = 100mcg of T3. It just doesn’t convert that way...

[bang_bang]

There is a huge amount of misinformation going on on this thread...

Clenbuterol will result in fat loss when taken correctly. It stimulates the Beta 2 receptor which is basically responsible for increase heart rate and nervous system. This stimulant effect causes an increase in calorie expenditure which in turn will cause thermogenesis through fat burning. To know if the Clenbuterol you are have got is the real thing. Test you resting heart rate in the morning before taking it. Then test it again the next morning after taking it. There should be a core body temperature increase of approximately 0.5 degrees and an increase in resting heart rate of up to 30%. With these effects taking place the only outcome is fat loss!

Clenbuterol is not catabolic, in fact it is anti-catabolic, quite the opposite. There is a lot of debate over this statement but the stimulating effect of Clenbuterol alone forces you to train in excess of you normal intensity and this alone will cause increases in lean mass if the nutrition is geared to support this.

If you take Clenbuterol and do not maintain healthy nutrition with high protein intake, it is possible that your actions will cause a catabolic response. This is not the effect of Clenbuterol but the lack of knowledge on the part of the person taking it.

Should you take T3 & Clenbuterol together? - I would not ever recommend this practice to anyone except for the most experienced sports people at the top of their field that have specific goals and a vast knowledge of T3 in particular. T3 is a potentially dangerous hormone that if taken incorrectly can be very hazzardous to your health.

Is T4 effect for fat burning? And is there such a thing as a tablet that is both T3 & T4??? T4 is a VERY effective fat burner and a much safer option that T3. T4 converts to T3 in the liver. The body normally produces approximately 76mcg of T4/day which is then converted to approximately 26mcg of T3. The body can not convert more than 400mcg of T4 into approximately 100mcg of T3/day. So at a dose 400mcg of T4/day, your base metabolism is increased by 400%! This is incredibly useful and effective for fat loss and lean muscle gain in a high protein enviromment. DO NOT START YOU DOSE AT 400MCG/DAY. ramp it up slowly. You can not overdose on T4, (not true with T3!) but starting on a high dose will cause some very uncomfortable side effects.

When someone tells you he has got T4/T3 tablets, he is trying to sell you T4 tablets which will convert to T3 when taken :-)

Any claims of enlarged hearts and other exaggerated side effects from taking Clenbuterol are completely unfounded. Clenbuterol interacts with the same receptor as caffeine, only it does it to a much more effective degree. The negative side effets from Clenbuterol only usually last a few days and include dehydration, headaches, shaking hands, sweats and heightened anxiety.

Clenbuterol is not a magic pill. If you just take it and expect to lose fat you may be dissapointed. It can assist in the loss of very respectable ammounts of excess adipose tissue (fat) if your level of exercise and your nutrition also support fat loss.

This is a general overview and some more technical facts have been left out to make the information easier to digest. It is not meant at all to be the last word on the clen/T3/T4 debate, just help to answer the most basic of questions

thanks clash good post. liked

[clash]

100% of people I have contact with will claim the opposite effects when using Clenbuterol. It is liquid Clenbuterol 100mcg/ml and the stimulating effects of taking this supplement "stimulate" them, not make them tired or lethargic? The most common statement is "through the roof" or "climbing the walls" You would be the first person I have encountered that has suffered the reverse effect from taking Clenbuterol. With T3/T4, Tiredness and lethargy are very common, was it stacked?

When taking T4 or T3, the body will not react with any effective countermeasures to re-establish homeostasis for at least 21days. So TSH levels will not be decrease to any noteable level during this time. Most studies have concluded that the basic conversion is accurate at the start and a 4week course of T4 is very effective in a pre-comp or leaning phase. After this time the THS levels diminish in response to the exogenous T4 making it less effective the longer you are on it.

[Android]

My experience is with Clenbuterol tabs...

They make me yawn.

They make me lose appetite.

They don't do anything without cardio.

They work extremely well with small amount of AM cardio and a high protein diet over 3-4 weeks, just taken Mon-Fri. Can wake up Sat AM and go for a run and still be under the influence quite nicely.

They work for 3-4 weeks when you Pyramid up the dosage in the same way that you'd pyramid up your cardio intensity.

Assuming you do pyramid up your cardio intensity...right? Why get fit from day one when the fitter you get the harder it is to get the heart pumping. Unfit people can lose lots fast, fit people just have to run longer and faster to achieve the same result.

[clash]

My experience is with Clenbuterol tabs...

They make me yawn.

They make me lose appetite.

They don't do anything without cardio.

They work extremely well with small amount of AM cardio and a high protein diet over 3-4 weeks, just taken Mon-Fri. Can wake up Sat AM and go for a run and still be under the influence quite nicely.

They work for 3-4 weeks when you Pyramid up the dosage in the same way that you'd pyramid up your cardio intensity.

Assuming you do pyramid up your cardio intensity...right? Why get fit from day one when the fitter you get the harder it is to get the heart pumping. Unfit people can lose lots fast, fit people just have to run longer and faster to achieve the same result.

great information re cardio etc. . When your heart rate is stimulated this does cause yawning. Clenbuterol has a half life of 36hrs so you should still get a good result on Saturday if takien Friday

[samoan_muscle]

100% of people I have contact with will claim the opposite effects when using Clenbuterol. It is liquid Clenbuterol 100mcg/ml and the stimulating effects of taking this supplement "stimulate" them, not make them tired or lethargic? The most common statement is "through the roof" or "climbing the walls" You would be the first person I have encountered that has suffered the reverse effect from taking Clenbuterol. With T3/T4, Tiredness and lethargy are very common, was it stacked?

When taking T4 or T3, the body will not react with any effective countermeasures to re-establish homeostasis for at least 21days. So TSH levels will not be decrease to any noteable level during this time. Most studies have concluded that the basic conversion is accurate at the start and a 4week course of T4 is very effective in a pre-comp or leaning phase. After this time the THS levels diminish in response to the exogenous T4 making it less effective the longer you are on it.

Stacked with or without T3 it makes me tired. I can have quite a good sleep on it! LOL - i must be one of the rare ones.

21 days for TSH levels to diminish?

[clash]

100% of people I have contact with will claim the opposite effects when using Clenbuterol. It is liquid Clenbuterol 100mcg/ml and the stimulating effects of taking this supplement "stimulate" them, not make them tired or lethargic? The most common statement is "through the roof" or "climbing the walls" You would be the first person I have encountered that has suffered the reverse effect from taking Clenbuterol. With T3/T4, Tiredness and lethargy are very common, was it stacked?

When taking T4 or T3, the body will not react with any effective countermeasures to re-establish homeostasis for at least 21days. So TSH levels will not be decrease to any noteable level during this time. Most studies have concluded that the basic conversion is accurate at the start and a 4week course of T4 is very effective in a pre-comp or leaning phase. After this time the THS levels diminish in response to the exogenous T4 making it less effective the longer you are on it.

Stacked with or without T3 it makes me tired. I can have quite a good sleep on it! LOL - i must be one of the rare ones.

21 days for TSH levels to diminish?

You must be bullet proof mate. What form is the Clenbuterol in that you take? Is it genuine or homebrew tablets? liquid or horse granules?

Any hormone of pro-hormone taken will take the body 21days before the body will react to the altered state and downregulate endogenous production in response. An example would be the injecting of bio-identical testosterone such as any estified testosterone or derivatives such as testosterone Enanthate & Deca-Durabolin

Blood test taken prior to a taking Testosterone Enanthate returned a testosterone level of 24.

the course consisted of 250mg/day Testosterone Enanthate every day for 10 days followed by 250mg of Deca-Durabolin every day for 7 days starting at day 11 and finishing at day 18.

At day 28 the blood tests returned a level of 17

At day 42 the blood tests returned a level of 23

This shows a short course of a hormone (in this case testosterone) where you can get in and get out before the body can effectively intervene with countermeasures will have little impact on the your natural endogenous hormone production.

Basically this is the same with any substance taken that alters the body's natural hormone levels. T4 being a precursor to T3 also fits into this model. A short course of 3-5 weeks will not cause the body to down regulate THS levels to a degree that will reduce the effectiveness of T4 to any major degree. 4 weeks is optimum and the longer you take it beyond 3 weeks the greater the down regulation from feed back loop is realised...and the longer the rebound period before levels will normalise again. Although thyroid levels bounce back a lot faster than any other hormone - 5-15days compared to 5-15 weeks for testosterone levels to normalise after a long course.

[Dubble_D]

There is a huge amount of misinformation going on on this thread...

Clenbuterol will result in fat loss when taken correctly. It stimulates the Beta 2 receptor which is basically responsible for increase heart rate and nervous system. This stimulant effect causes an increase in calorie expenditure which in turn will cause thermogenesis through fat burning. To know if the Clenbuterol you are have got is the real thing. Test you resting heart rate in the morning before taking it. Then test it again the next morning after taking it. There should be a core body temperature increase of approximately 0.5 degrees and an increase in resting heart rate of up to 30%. With these effects taking place the only outcome is fat loss!

Clenbuterol is not catabolic, in fact it is anti-catabolic, quite the opposite. There is a lot of debate over this statement but the stimulating effect of Clenbuterol alone forces you to train in excess of you normal intensity and this alone will cause increases in lean mass if the nutrition is geared to support this.

If you take Clenbuterol and do not maintain healthy nutrition with high protein intake, it is possible that your actions will cause a catabolic response. This is not the effect of Clenbuterol but the lack of knowledge on the part of the person taking it.

Should you take T3 & Clenbuterol together? - I would not ever recommend this practice to anyone except for the most experienced sports people at the top of their field that have specific goals and a vast knowledge of T3 in particular. T3 is a potentially dangerous hormone that if taken incorrectly can be very hazzardous to your health.

Is T4 effect for fat burning? And is there such a thing as a tablet that is both T3 & T4??? T4 is a VERY effective fat burner and a much safer option that T3. T4 converts to T3 in the liver. The body normally produces approximately 76mcg of T4/day which is then converted to approximately 26mcg of T3. The body can not convert more than 400mcg of T4 into approximately 100mcg of T3/day. So at a dose 400mcg of T4/day, your base metabolism is increased by 400%! This is incredibly useful and effective for fat loss and lean muscle gain in a high protein enviromment. DO NOT START YOU DOSE AT 400MCG/DAY. ramp it up slowly. You can not overdose on T4, (not true with T3!) but starting on a high dose will cause some very uncomfortable side effects.

When someone tells you he has got T4/T3 tablets, he is trying to sell you T4 tablets which will convert to T3 when taken :-)

Any claims of enlarged hearts and other exaggerated side effects from taking Clenbuterol are completely unfounded. Clenbuterol interacts with the same receptor as caffeine, only it does it to a much more effective degree. The negative side effets from Clenbuterol only usually last a few days and include dehydration, headaches, shaking hands, sweats and heightened anxiety.

Clenbuterol is not a magic pill. If you just take it and expect to lose fat you may be dissapointed. It can assist in the loss of very respectable ammounts of excess adipose tissue (fat) if your level of exercise and your nutrition also support fat loss.

This is a general overview and some more technical facts have been left out to make the information easier to digest. It is not meant at all to be the last word on the clen/T3/T4 debate, just help to answer the most basic of questions

Liked*

[samoan_muscle]

100% of people I have contact with will claim the opposite effects when using Clenbuterol. It is liquid Clenbuterol 100mcg/ml and the stimulating effects of taking this supplement "stimulate" them, not make them tired or lethargic? The most common statement is "through the roof" or "climbing the walls" You would be the first person I have encountered that has suffered the reverse effect from taking Clenbuterol. With T3/T4, Tiredness and lethargy are very common, was it stacked?

When taking T4 or T3, the body will not react with any effective countermeasures to re-establish homeostasis for at least 21days. So TSH levels will not be decrease to any noteable level during this time. Most studies have concluded that the basic conversion is accurate at the start and a 4week course of T4 is very effective in a pre-comp or leaning phase. After this time the THS levels diminish in response to the exogenous T4 making it less effective the longer you are on it.

Stacked with or without T3 it makes me tired. I can have quite a good sleep on it! LOL - i must be one of the rare ones.

21 days for TSH levels to diminish?

You must be bullet proof mate. What form is the Clenbuterol in that you take? Is it genuine or homebrew tablets? liquid or horse granules?

Any hormone of pro-hormone taken will take the body 21days before the body will react to the altered state and downregulate endogenous production in response. An example would be the injecting of bio-identical testosterone such as any estified testosterone or derivatives such as testosterone Enanthate & Deca-Durabolin

Blood test taken prior to a taking Testosterone Enanthate returned a testosterone level of 24.

the course consisted of 250mg/day Testosterone Enanthate every day for 10 days followed by 250mg of Deca-Durabolin every day for 7 days starting at day 11 and finishing at day 18.

At day 28 the blood tests returned a level of 17

At day 42 the blood tests returned a level of 23

This shows a short course of a hormone (in this case testosterone) where you can get in and get out before the body can effectively intervene with countermeasures will have little impact on the your natural endogenous hormone production.

Basically this is the same with any substance taken that alters the body's natural hormone levels. T4 being a precursor to T3 also fits into this model. A short course of 3-5 weeks will not cause the body to down regulate THS levels to a degree that will reduce the effectiveness of T4 to any major degree. 4 weeks is optimum and the longer you take it beyond 3 weeks the greater the down regulation from feed back loop is realised...and the longer the rebound period before levels will normalise again. Although thyroid levels bounce back a lot faster than any other hormone - 5-15days compared to 5-15 weeks for testosterone levels to normalise after a long course.

Thanks for the information. Havent seen this perspective before.

I guess the main thing for T4 users would be too take note of the "conversion timeframe" so to speak...being 4 weeks and after that it would be basically useless due to dimished TSH levels?

I'm still a fan of T3 though. I think the quote goes..."Why use a toothpick to get the job done when you can use a pick axe" (something along those lines) :shifty:

All sorts mate of clenbuterol mate.

Legit Pharma grade tabs, UG tabs, UG liquid and that nasty Ventipulmin crap.

I'd choose EC over Clen anyway. In terms of fat loss I get better results from it. On Clen (and T3) I tend to sweat alot sitting there doing nothing...not good when you work an office job...looks weird.

[clash]

For a veteran like yourself there is no comparison. Why take a precursor when you can take the real thing :nod:

But for the inexperienced T4 is a better and safer choice. It will offer similar results with a margin for error if you muck up the dose. T3 is for the experienced person only and mistakes do and have caused hospitalisation. I have witnessed this personally. Much of the responsibility needs to lie with the supplier. Giving potentially dangerous compounds to inexperinced people is bad practice for everyone :naughty:

Excuse my ignorance. What is EC an abbreviation for?

[Optimass]

EC = ehphdrine Hydrochloride + CAffiene ? Just missing the A = asprin.

[clash]

Thanks Optimass. The ECA stack hasalways been one of my favorites also. With ephedrine being a class 5 restricted drug now it needs to be secured on prescription or you can substitute it for Duramine with similar effects and results. Am very keen on using DNP next time I can find it. Used it once during pre-comp and had better results from it than all oter4 fat burners combined!