Primobolan - Opinions from personal experiences

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Hi all,

I am seeking opinions on primobolan from personal experiences :-)

In the past I have used Primo twice in pre-comp phases and found it to be a worthy addition to my pre-camp stack. It was stacked with Trenbolone Acetate, Boldenone Cypionate, Masteron, Winstrol Oral and anti-estrogens.

It is a very expensive AAS and due to this I have avoided any further use or experimentation.

Recently Primo has become a lot more accessible and the price a lot more acceptable. making it possible to add Primobolan into other phases to see how best to utilise this compound.

Has anyone got any personal experiences from Primobolan use?

If it were available to you, what would you use it for?

What dose would you run?

What are your thoughts on this AAS overall?

Any experiences from a female perspective?

Is it a good AAS to add to the anabolic dominance period of a mass phase?

Any opinions or advice would be appreciated :nod:

[train hard]

i have only ever taken it once and was in a cutting cycle i swapped my deca for primo about 6 weeks out at 400mg per week along with test prop ,tren a and stan tabs and all i noticed was i got a bit harder but i didnt feel or notice much difference maybe if i took primo as the main drug along with a little test i could gauge a better feeling for it i might give that a go one day but you dont generally hear great reviews about it maybe underrated or complete shit dont know

[clash]

Thanx Train Hard, so far I have a very similar attitude towards Primobolan but will be looking forward to experimenting with it a lot more and hopefully discover why some people rate this so highly. If you don't mind me asking - What was the strength of the Primobolan you used and what was the approximate price?

[train hard]

Thanx Train Hard, so far I have a very similar attitude towards Primobolan but will be looking forward to experimenting with it a lot more and hopefully discover why some people rate this so highly. If you don't mind me asking - What was the strength of the Primobolan you used and what was the approximate price?

it was primo enanthate 100mg per mill paid about 200 for 10 mill pretty expensive for a "weak" anabolic

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From what I use to pay ($350/10ml of 200mg/ml) yours was very good value for money!!

I am able to get 10ml of 50mg/ml for $100ea. the source is trusted so the quality will be good. Even at that price I am willing to add it to the stacks.

[musclenz]

Primobolon (Methenolone Enanthate) 100mg/ml 10ml Au$380 retail in 2010

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Primobolon (Methenolone Enanthate) 100mg/ml 10ml Au$380 retail in 2010

That price is similar to what I paid in the past and makes me feel beter about my decision.

It would seem that Primobolan is not that popular in NZ? Either that or it is not not widely available?

[musclenz]

Primobolon (Methenolone Enanthate) 100mg/ml 10ml Au$380 retail in 2010

That price is similar to what I paid in the past and makes me feel beter about my decision.

It would seem that Primobolan is not that popular in NZ? Either that or it is not not widely available?

Good stuff has never been widely available & expensive but I knowone prominent NZ BBer thats says its the best cutting pre contest drug hes used. Following a good article on Primo -

PRIMOBOLAN (Methenolone Enanthate)

If ever there was a steroid that can be considered “perfect” (or as perfect as can be), it would be Primobolan. It’s considered to be the safest and least suppressive anabolic steroid, has few side effects and is extremely effective. So why isn’t Primobolan used by everybody? The reasons may lie in many of the misconceptions surrounding this incredible drug.

Primobolan does not give fast gains, or more accurately, does not cause a quick increase in water retention, therefore it’s considered “weak”, yet in terms of building solid muscle, it’s one of the most effective steroids available.

All steroids are based on the testosterone molecule and all steroids provide two functions – one, of mimicking androgenic effects within the body. (Basically all “male” attributes – strength, aggression, the ability to grow muscle, etc). And there’s also the “anabolic” effect, in that they recirculate nitrogen (protein) therefore utilizing more of the necessary building blocks needed for tissue growth and repair. Unless sufficient amino acids are present muscle growth will be sub par and in the case of Primobolan this is of utmost significance. You MUST train hard and you MUST eat a lot of protein. THAT, is when you’ll see what Primobolan can do.

The concept behind Primobolan was to have a far greater anabolic to androgenic ratio. The reasoning is not far removed from the original steroid Dianabol, which was formulated to be a “kinder, gentler” form of testosterone. In this way, the athlete can get all the benefits of greater muscle growth without all the detriment and suppression of excess androgens. In the case of Dianabol, it was a good idea yet just it didn’t turn out quite as well as expected. With Primobolan, they got it right.

Primobolan also has a unique fat burning/estrogen blocking capability resulting in “lean gains.” (Leading some people to believe it’s just a “cutter” which is also ridiculous since all steroids are growth drugs). It doesn’t actually burn fat but it can prevent more fat from being formed.

Being a DHT derivative (technically it’s DHB) Primobolan blocks SHBG (sex hormone binding globulin) thus preventing estrogen from forming. When using Primobolan you not only do not need to add an anti aromatase it acts as one on its own, so if you add testosterone, an anti e may not be required.

If you’re wondering if you can do a cycle solely of Primobolan without suppression you’d be mistaken. Although mild, Primobolan is a source of exogenous androgen and after a few weeks the HPTA will begin to shut down and one’s natural Testosterone production will be compromised since the androgens in the drugs will not sufficiently replace what’s been lost. Consequently, strength and libido will tank. For that reason, most bodybuilders add some testosterone into a Primobolan cycle.

Primobolan has often been compared to Deca Durabolin – most likely due to the fact that they’re both mildly androgenic. However, Deca’s “nandrolone” qualities are actually more suppressive than straight testosterone. Deca also increases progesterone that causes extreme water retention, which incidentally is often regarded, incorrectly, as muscle growth. Primobolan causes almost no water retention that is why many people feel it isn’t a good “mass” builder, which is probably its biggest misconception. Primobolan is deceptive in that the gains are so clean they aren’t overtly apparent at first -- which accounts for another myth that Primobolan takes weeks to “kick in.” That, of course, is nonsense. It begins working within hours, but the results may not be noticeable for a while.

Primobolan can be an outstanding size drug on a bulking cycle, If... you consume adequate protein. That is the principal on which it is based. It repairs though increased anabolism. Without the food source, the drug has nothing to work with, so if you aren’t committed to training hard and eating a lot of protein, Primo will be a disappointment. But for more advanced trainers, and those who are used to training naturally, Primo will seem like a wonder drug. Which it kinda is.

There is also an oral form of Primobolan that is often overlooked, the reason being, they are probably the most impractical steroids available. Primobolan acetate is not 17 alpha alkylated, therefore they do not stress the liver. Sounds great, eh? The problem is, they’re only bioavailability for about 4 hours, resulting in several dosages throughout the day (and night) in order to maintain stable blood levels. The other problem is the cost. At what usually amounts to $2 a pill and a necessity of 8 pills a day, the weekly price will exceed $100 a week for a mild cycle. Therefore, Primobolan tablets are not in large demand. (Though if cost isn’t much of a concern they’re an excellent “safe” choice for a first time user, the needle phobic, or a “natural” athlete who needs it clear his or her system within a day).

Primobolan is the “Rolls Royce” of steroids – expensive, but worth it. It stacks well with everything and adds increased anabolism to any cycle while keeping blood pressure, cholesterol count and blood platelet within normal range with moderate use. It may also be the only steroid suitable for women, with the exception of Anavar, though Primobolan is safer.

People are concerned with hair loss with the usage of Primobolan but most users claim it’s no harder on the hairline than straight testosterone.

Because of Primobolan’s mild nature some bodybuilders use it as a “bridge” between cycles though that is not recommended since it will further suppress natural testosterone production and make it more difficult to rebound.

Primobolan can be an excellent addition to HRT (Hormone Replacement Therapy) (200 mgs of Primo with 100mgs of testosterone weekly) but it is not available even with a prescription in most countries.

Dosages:

Primobolan is usually injected several times a week since a cc contains only 100 mgs. ( This is due to a heavy molecular weight. Only so much will “fit” into a ml of oil). It’s active for approximately 2 weeks. Anything under 200 mgs a week will not show a tremendous difference but once it goes to 400 mgs, that’s when the magic usually begins. Also due to the molecular weight, Primo tends to be a painful shot. Not bad going in, but the next day you can expect some soreness.

Arnold Schwarzenegger was known to love Primo and to use 100mgs a day, which by today’s standard is quite conservative for a pro but back in the 70’s it was considered outrageous! As mentioned, Primo needs a more androgenic compound to truly get the maximum benefit so an additional steroid is often used and Arnold was thought to maybe use 50 mgs of d-bol a day, which was also pushing the envelope at the time. As little as 200 mgs of test will suffice to maintain a favorable androgenic environment. (Though most people use more, which is essentially more than they need. At a certain point, the risk/benefit ratio becomes unfavorable).

Availability:

Primobolan is the most faked steroids on the black market. Even UG labs fake it because the raw materials for the chemical compound so expensive. The common “substitute” for Primo is Equipoise since the effects are similar – solid muscle with little bloat. But EQ is not in the same league as Primo and experienced Primo users know it. EQ is a cheap veterinarian drug and can leave the user feeling a little “ill” whereas Primo makes you feel “healthy.” Unless you can get your hands on legit Primo in Turkey or Germany, a reliable UG lab is the only way to go, though you’re never really certain of what you’ll get or if the dosage is correct. Even in countries where it’s legal, Primo isn’t readily available due to the high cost and the fact that there really isn’t a medical reason to use it. It’s strictly a muscle builder and for that purpose it’s unparalleled.

When it comes to putting foreign substances in your body, you don’t want to go bargain hunting. Primobolan costs a little more but in the long run you’ll get more -- with less risks. It’s a shame it’s so hard to obtain but with more access to more UG labs via the internet, it may be possible to track it down. It isn’t a “get big quick” drug, but is a great adjunct to developing solid, quality muscle that can be maintained post cycle with natural training as long as proper PCT is used.

Yours in sport,

George Spellwin

http://www.EliteFitness.com

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Thanx Musclenz, that is the most useful information I have ever read on Primobolan.

I can see a stack starting to develope here -

100mg Primobolan/day.

50mg Thai Pink dbols/day/

50mg Masteron/day

50mg TNE/day

=P~

[musclenz]

Thanx Musclenz, that is the most useful information I have ever read on Primobolan.

I can see a stack starting to develope here -

100mg Primobolan/day.

50mg Thai Pink dbols/day/

50mg Masteron/day

50mg TNE/day

=P~

Always like the idea of running Dbol with a cutting stack to keep in size. Liking your stack M8. Would be awesome. Possible addition 50mg TrenA/day??

[clash]

Thanx Musclenz, that is the most useful information I have ever read on Primobolan.

I can see a stack starting to develope here -

100mg Primobolan/day.

50mg Thai Pink dbols/day/

50mg Masteron/day

50mg TNE/day

=P~

Always like the idea of running Dbol with a cutting stack to keep in size. Liking your stack M8. Would be awesome. Possible addition 50mg TrenA/day??

Thanks Musclenz, consider the Tren A added . Last time I took Tren A, Dbol and Proviron, I suffered many nose bleeds while traning :shock: .

Time to get over that and "Man Up" again