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weener lad Senior member

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I can answer that! Same as the other male classes, standard symmetry round then

Front double bicep

Front Lat

Side chest

Tricep

Rear double bicep and calf

Rear lat spread and calf

Front thigh and abdominal

Most muscular

Feet are together for the first 4 above.

Hope this helped a little bit (if I'm not wrong :pfft: )

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I think you are confusing the NZFBB classes with NABBA, weener lad - the most muscular pose is not a compulsory pose for any NZFBB class, but they are for NABBA classses.

Another change that seems to have come in this year is that the front and rear lat spread has been removed from the Classic Class poses - meaning there are 5 poses: Front and rear double bicep, side chest and tricep, and ab/thigh. This was the case at the Auckland Champs, but it may depend on the head judges call. I'll check with some of the judges and see if the removal of the lat spread poses is an official change, or up to the discretion of the head judge at each show.

As for what the judges are looking for? Mike D can answer this better than me, but my view on it is the only difference compared to standard physique classes is that size is not nearly as relevant, but all the other criteria are the considered as per the physique classes.

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Cheers for that MasterTel ! My bad on the poses.

BUT Why on earth would they remove a pose that is one of the best for judging a physique of a competitor???????? Very Bizzare. :naughty:

No problem, weener lad - even I find it hard to keep up with all the changes!

Good question about why they would drop the lat spread poses. I think the logic behind it is the Classic class is being regarded by the judges as the Male equivalent of Figure (without the high-heeled shoes, sparkly costumes and bling of course! :wink: ) Figure competitors don't do lat spreads whereas those in Women's Physique do.

I'll also have a word with some of the judges and confirm this.

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Surely a V-Taper(wide shoulders, small waist,and good lats) is an essential element of the "Classic" Male form.

I cannot see any reason to mis this out unless it was a mistake.

Look at history's classic style physiques(Steve Reeves etc) , They all had these qualities and it seems crazy to not have front and rear lat spreads to help showcase this.

A good back seperates a complete Bodybuilder from just another gym goer IMO.

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really??

hmmm..haha

:-s I'm not sure why you find that funny Small, but i'll try to illustrate my point.

Plenty of guys at the gym have good chests, shoulders and arms but few have comparable back development(and Leg develpoment) IMO.

It's a hard area to work and even a harder area to get great results, thats why I think it should be shown in the classic class poses via Lat spreads.

If you've built a great back, why not show it on stage?

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Surely a V-Taper(wide shoulders, small waist,and good lats) is an essential element of the "Classic" Male form.

I cannot see any reason to mis this out unless it was a mistake.

Look at history's classic style physiques(Steve Reeves etc) , They all had these qualities and it seems crazy to not have front and rear lat spreads to help showcase this.

A good back seperates a complete Bodybuilder from just another gym goer IMO.

Perhaps the judges are trying to make enough points of difference to ensure this class is quite distinct from the standard physique classes - again as Figure differs from Women's physique? I guess the quarter turns will give the judges plenty of opportunity to assess a competitors V-taper and their overall structure.

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I disagree Mastertel as IMO only the quarter turn to the rear really shows the lats in a pronounced way.

The relaxed front stance only shows them sort of half pressed out and with the current trend of having the contestants not rotate their torsos during the turns to the sides, you only really see some of the lats thickness and width.

I thought the Classic Class was supposed to be judged on all the same degrees as Physique except that mass is not emphasised to the same degree.

I don't see why the poses should be different at all, it's just that you are being judged by Symmetry, Proportion and Leaness/conditioning first with Mass a secondry factor.

If they truely wish to emulate Figure, then wouldn't the compulsory poses include open hands!?! - I think that would be a little too much for most guys to handle!!

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:-s I'm not sure why you find that funny Small, but i'll try to illustrate my point.

Plenty of guys at the gym have good chests, shoulders and arms but few have comparable back development(and Leg develpoment) IMO.

It's a hard area to work and even a harder area to get great results, thats why I think it should be shown in the classic class poses via Lat spreads.

If you've built a great back, why not show it on stage?

wel ty for illustrating ure point

i was just meaning like clearly, if you are a complete bb'r then you Will have a good back. if its lagging, then you can still be a bb'r tho however, hop onstage n that, just not complete {sorta showcasing the person even tho they dont have a complete back iz more than your average gymgoer; hoping in those trunks i dont think many of the Ys members wuld do that ya see..and they are certainly your average joes}

a bb'r getting on stage (w enuf knowledge ie not a tool) prolly wont purposefully neglect their back

enuff outa u 2gunz

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wel ty for illustrating ure point

i was just meaning like clearly, if you are a complete bb'r then you Will have a good back. if its lagging, then you can still be a bb'r tho however, hop onstage n that, just not complete {sorta showcasing the person even tho they dont have a complete back iz more than your average gymgoer; hoping in those trunks i dont think many of the Ys members wuld do that ya see..and they are certainly your average joes}

a bb'r getting on stage (w enuf knowledge ie not a tool) prolly wont purposefully neglect their back

trying to read that just fryed my mind

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Cheers for that MasterTel ! My bad on the poses.

BUT Why on earth would they remove a pose that is one of the best for judging a physique of a competitor???????? Very Bizzare. :naughty:

No problem, weener lad - even I find it hard to keep up with all the changes!

Good question about why they would drop the lat spread poses. I think the logic behind it is the Classic class is being regarded by the judges as the Male equivalent of Figure (without the high-heeled shoes, sparkly costumes and bling of course! :wink: ) Figure competitors don't do lat spreads whereas those in Women's Physique do.

I'll also have a word with some of the judges and confirm this.

Hey Mastertel, since when do physique do lat spreads bud?

http://www.nzfbb.org.nz/Rules/NZFBB-Physique.pdf

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Oops - you are quite right, biggurl27! Perhaps I'm thinking of NABBA .. or perhaps I should stop drinking red wine when I'm on the computer!! :pfft:

Matrix - I totally agree with you. I competed in the Classic class last year, and it was judged as any other Men's class in terms of the poses (i.e. the lat spread was included). IMO it should be judged in exactly the same terms as physique, except for Mass not being nearly as critical. After all, it's the lack of mass (but hopefully reasonable balance, symmetry and conditioning) that convinced this skinny old man to do the Classic class in 4 events last year plus 5 events in NABBA Athletic in 2006! :grin:

Gosh, I even agree with 2guns that Classic is similar to Athletic ... . mmm, this vino is SOOO GOOOOD!! :twisted:

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I have another question for any NZFBB judge or offical Is there a certian weight that the athlet has to be at in the classic Class?

There are 3 height/weight ratios for Classic, although until competitor numbers increase, all competitors are combined in one class on stage.

The 3 ratios are:

1.Under 170cm: max height (kg) = height (cm) - 98

e.g. 168cm tall => max weight is 70kg

2. 170cm-178cm: max height (kg) = height (cm) - 96

e.g. 175cm tall => max weight is 79kg

3. Over 178cm: max height (kg) = height (cm) - 94

e.g. 183cm tall (approx 6ft) => max weight is 89kg

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e.g. 183cm tall (approx 6ft) => max weight is 89kg

Which is still pretty damn big, when that 89kg is lean. Personally (as a smaller 183cm bodybuilder!) I think the max weight should be slightly less. Otherwise, there's no difference between competitors in the Classic class and the 80-90kg.

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