clen'

[frogie2001]

I have read in another chat group that Clenbutorol is commonly used to shred? is this true? and what does it act like?

[Growth]

Clenbuterol is used mainly when wanting to lose BF, some people use it by itself, some people use it with an anabolic.

From memory this is what i know,

For the bodybuilder concerning fat loss, it raises your bodytemp by a couple of degrees therfore you body will be using more calories to maintain this temp. It also get the heart-rate up. It also has slight anti-catabolic properties in that it evokes the secrection of catabolic hormones from the adrenal gland, thus because of this has the opposite effect (anabolism). In similarity to other procucts id say is is a bit like ephidrine, or a product such as yohimbe.

Fairly dangerous to the ill informed user or abuser. Dosages should start low, 20mcg and should be tapered up over the course of about 2 weeks. Most cycles i have seen go to a max of 100-140mcg per day at the end of the cycle. Then it is followed by a similar period of non use becuause the body will adjust and if you go longer than 2-3 weeks it will become useless. When on clen your likely to experience increased body temp, increased heart rate, possibly muscle shakes etc.

Dont take it as gospel though, thats just what i remember about it.

Others feel free to chime in and correct me if ive got something wrong.

[CutTaBits]

Yer they reacon 140mcg. I am using clen at the moment @ 200mcg.

I take about 2000 - 4000mg of Taurine to combat cramp. But the shakes are still there.

I ramp the dosage up over a few days then stay at 200mcg for 3 weeks then i use Benadryl at 50-100mgs before bed to upgrade the beta receptors. That way i can stay on clen for 6-8weeks straight.

[waldo]

CTB, Ventulpulmin Granules or gel?

[CutTaBits]

I use Liquid Clen if thats what you mean.

[waldo]

That's the bugger.

[frogie2001]

so what is the main use of this stuff, muscle gain, or thyroid stimulation, fat burning? or does it metabolise fat into muscle? I have heard of nothing like this before , clen is all news to me, prior i had just heard of hydroxy cut :pfft:

[Growth]

so what is the main use of this stuff, muscle gain, or thyroid stimulation, fat burning? or does it metabolise fat into muscle? I have heard of nothing like this before , clen is all news to me, prior i had just heard of hydroxy cut :pfft:

even though is has slight anabolic qualities it isnt used alone for gaining muscle mass. It is simpley used to lose weight. Id definitley does not metabolise fat into muscle :shock:

[Marcus]

It will strip you very lean, but is also very dangerous.

Like anything else, you need to do your homework.

[deegee]

Clenbuterol (often referred to simply as ‘Clen') is a Beta 2 Sympathomitetic and CNS stimulant. It is a specific agonist, stimulating the adrenergic beta 2 receptors. It is used in certain countries in a medical sense as a bronchodilator in the treatment of asthma, though not in the U.K/U.S. mainly due to it's long half life. However, athletes/bber's utilise the drug due to its thermogenic and anti-catabolic effects. This is down to it's ability to slightly increase the body's core temperature, thereby raising calorific expenditure. It is thought that a 1°F increase yields around a 5% increase in maintenance calories burned. Studies on livestock suggest that clenbuterol has anabolic properties too. However, this is not the case in humans, thought to be due to the fact that humans lack the abundance of beta 3 receptors which increase insulin production and sensitivity.

What are the side effects?

Side effects are dose dependant, though most users will find that most tend to subside with persistent use. Caution is advised when employing the use of Clenbuterol in conjunction with other adrenoceptor agonists as side effects are likely to be cumulative. It is for this reason that it is generally not recommended to use ECA whilst administering Clen. Common sides would include:

Headaches

Muscular tremors (especially hand shakes)

Muscular cramps

Nervousness

Insomnia

Sweating

Increased appetite

Nausea

Palpitations

Hypertension (high blood pressure)

In view of the above side effects, it is obvious to assume that anyone with cardiac issues and/or hypertension should not use a stimulant such as Clenbuterol. In addition, caution must be observed by those already using similar compounds in the treatment of existing medical conditions.

Commonly employed dosing protocols

It is well known that Clenbuterol use results in rapid down-regulation of beta 2 receptors. This is due to the powerful stimulatory effect of the drug. It is therefore pointless to use Clen for long periods without a break. Some believe that a 2 day on, 2 day off dosing schedule will allow adequate potential for receptor up-regulation. However, I doubt this to be the case due to the relatively long half life of Clen, resulting in continued stimulation even throughout the ‘off' days. A much better regime would be a 2 week on, 2 week off cycle.

A tapering up of dosages is recommended in an attempt to limit harsh side effects. Most commonly, a user will start by taking 1 20mcg tab on day 1, followed by an increase of 1 tab on subsequent days. Subject to personal tolerance levels, a dosage of 140mcg (7 tabs) will be used by day 7, and this level should be maintained for the entire second week. It would be fruitless to exceed 7 or 8 tabs daily due to receptor over-saturation. There is no requirement to taper down.

During the 2 ‘off' weeks, an ECA stack can be used as required. ECA will not cause such a pronounced down regulation and desensitization of the receptors, certainly not to the extent of Clen. Ephedrine has a short half life in contrast to Clen which results in times throughout the day where the beta's will partially recover from stimulation by adrenaline and nor-adrenaline. Potency is also much weaker that that of Clen, as it is not a specific agonist. Ephedrine is also thought to increase the conversion of endogenous/exogenous T4 to T3 through the activation of deiodinases responsible for this process. This is important as Clen is known to slow the rate of T4 to T3 conversion. As a side note, some bber's will use T3 concurrently with the Clenbuterol/ECA cutting cycle (together with certain anabolic/androgenic steroids no doubt!) in an attempt to at least maintain T3 levels.

Cycles of Clen/ECA are normally limited to 12 weeks in total, though are often shorter.

Female dosages tend to be slightly lower than those of male users, with an upper limit of 80-120mcg (4-6 tabs).

Aside from it's fat burning properties, Clen is often used as an anti-catabolic to maintain muscular gains following a steroid cycle. A dosage of 40mcg daily would be suited to this situation.

Dosage Timing

There is no particular requirement to split the dosage throughout the day due to the long 36hr half life. Most will take the full daily dose in the morning, though some prefer to take their dose just before bed so the user avoids most of the side effects as they sleep.

Some user accounts suggest that splitting the dose may lessen side effects slightly. It is a trial and error process in essence, to ascertain which method suits you personally.

Muscular cramping

Cramping whilst using Clenbuterol is a fairly common side effect. This is most probably due to depletion of Taurine in the liver together with deficits in sodium and potassium, as well as inadequate hydration. Symptoms can be alleviated by:

Eating bananas

Ensuring adequate hydration

Taurine supplementation @ 3-5grams daily

Possibly supplementing with potassium

Ketotifen

Ketotifen is an anti-histamine used medically to treat bronchial asthma and allergies. It has a sedative and depressant effect on the brain. It acts by decreasing the release of histamine which is a chemical released when an allergic reaction occurs. Ketotifen blocks the action of histamine on special histamine receptors and reduces the nerve response when an allergic reaction occurs.

Histamine is the chemical in the body that causes the symptoms of an allergic reaction. These can include inflammation of the skin, airways or tissues, rashes, itching and of the skin, eyes or nose, nasal congestion and narrowing of the airways.

By blocking the actions of histamine, ketotifen may prevent and relieve the narrowing of the airways that occurs in asthma due to allergies.

However, bodybuilders are interested in the drug as it has been shown to inhibit the down regulation of the beta receptors, including the beta 2s that clen stimulates. As long as you are taking ketotifen, it will continue to clean these receptors, never allowing them to downregulate - even while on a heavy clen cycle. That means you can continue to take clen indefinitely without having to cycle off to regenerate the receptors. 2-3mg ED can upregulate even severely shut down receptors within a week.

It also means that you don't need as much clen to get the same benefits. It seems u can take about 30-40% less clen and it be equally effective.

No studies have been done to find the most effective dose though most users should find 3-4mg ed ideal, which can be split or taken in one sitting. Higher doses are likely to cause (sometimes severe) drowsiness and increase appetite.

I was going to write something myself but would not have managed to do anywhere near as good a job as this.

source: muscletalk.co.uk

[frogie2001]

MATE THAT IS AWESOME. THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR FINDING THIS INFORMATION. IT HAS EDUCATED ME FAR MORE THAN i EVER WANTED TO BE THIS EARLY IN THE MORNING :shock:

i HOPE EVERYONE ELSE CAN TAKE SOMETHING FROM THIS. TI DOES SOUND LIKE A BIT OF A WONDER SUP THOUGH

[Flex]

I DOES SOUND LIKE A BIT OF A WONDER SUP THOUGH

It may sound like a wonder supplement because it is in fact a controlled substance and definately not something you can buy at your local health store. However if you own a farm then you can probably get it from your Vet for your horses and cattle (Ventipulmin). While it may not be an anabolic steroid it will still score you the same criminal conviction and can still have some pretty bad side effects.

There haven't been many studies on long term effects in humans but in lab tests on rats and mice clenbuterol may be damaging to long-term health:

http://www.pponline.co.uk/encyc/0176.htm

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/quer ... &DB=pubmed

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/quer ... uery_hl=17

[NIGHTHEAT]

even though is has slight anabolic qualities it isnt used alone for gaining muscle mass. It is simpley used to lose weight. Id definitley does not metabolise fat into muscle :shock:

This is another common misconception people have about clen.

Its not anabolic in humans at all, the only data supporting this was conducted on animals and specifically type III muscle fibres which humans dont have.

Although the beta adrenergic stimulation may offer a very mild anti-catabolic effect

[Growth]

may offer a very mild anti-catabolic effect

It also has slight anti-catabolic properties in that it evokes the secrection of catabolic hormones from the adrenal gland

Yeah like i said ?!?

[L.A Muscle]

It seem to me that allot of guys have a great deal of text book knowledge. To be honest it doesn't means a pinch of goat shit if you haven't used or tried any of these supplements yourself. That's the only way that you can have an true informed opinion. Otherwise your just relay someone else's experiences. Not meant to offend, just an observation. If I am wrong then lets her your results or lack of, because I'm a little sick of reading text book excerpts.

[NIGHTHEAT]

may offer a very mild anti-catabolic effect

It also has slight anti-catabolic properties in that it evokes the secrection of catabolic hormones from the adrenal gland

Yeah like i said ?!?

Read my post again, you said clen has slight anabolic qualities - this is different from anti-catabolic. Just a misunderstanding, no worries bud

LAmuscle:

I know what you mean bro, look up clen at any online steroid profile and they'll regurgitate the same bullshit "may be anabolic... .." but I know its not from both experience and my own research

[Growth]

Well ive used clen before, and i have alot of it still to use. My dosaging what similar to what i said in my first post, i didnt use ketotifen so i was on two weeks, of two, on two, i thought the results were pretty good, i didnt feel as though i lost much muscle, i certianly didnt lose any strength, i was on a cutting diet and according to the scales my weight was dropping, its was a very short cutting cycle cut even shorter because my bulk / cut cycles were getting out of phase with the seasons, ie i was bulking in summer and cutting in winter :oops: Even though it was a short cut it felt like it would have produced good results if run for a longer period.

Ill be using it along with a few other things for my next cut...

I think you will find NIGHTHEAT has also used it.

[Growth]

may offer a very mild anti-catabolic effect

It also has slight anti-catabolic properties in that it evokes the secrection of catabolic hormones from the adrenal gland

Yeah like i said ?!?

Read my post again, you said clen has slight anabolic qualities - this is different from anti-catabolic. Just a misunderstanding, no worries bud

Yeah anabolic was the wrong word there.

[L.A Muscle]

That's what I'm talking about!!!

It makes for a better read. Ta.

[hrdcor]

Glenbuterol(human)Ventepulman(Veternary) has been used for many many years and still is used to this day in huge amounts in the bodybuilding circles, and there is a reason for this obviously!!

I find the results I get useing Glen is very unique to this product, My ability to loose fat is dramaticly increased with its useage and because of the higher metabolic activity factor i am abel to increase my calorie input whilst on and still loose B/F,also because of its therogenic properties I take on a harder grainer look which is a desired effect when I use it,I also note a increase in lean mass whilst on the product due to a overall increased metabolic activity and more efficent insulin function,I do however use it in small bursts, ie 14 days straight,then 2 on 1 off for another 14 days then off for two weeks then repeat, so this schedule is always timed to match my competting times! You have to make sure your H2O levels are greatly increased when on as it tends to be a very good diuretic,and dehydraton headaches are very common, also Glen acts as a Neo Nervous stimulator and one side effect will be shakey hands, and in some cases overwhelming belts of tiredness due to over fuctioning adrenials,also if you do use Glen make sure you take a good liver cleanser at the same time(liver guard by nutralife is good) as Glen is in the upper end of the toxicity scale !! other than that it is all good and I have used it many many times in prep for my competitions.Remember abuse is not use!!

[mem]

NO sustitution for eating and dieting effectively . . .

trying to crank-up BMR and burn off bad choices ? ? ?

NO alcohol - period - biggest mistake for most.

[frogie2001]

you seem ademant that this isn't worth touching. what might be suggested as an effective alternative to raise the old metabolism and shred?

[mem]

IT DOES NO COME F R O M A BOTTLE - a MAGIC bullet

IT COMES FROM EXPERIENCE - your soul . . . not the mirror

AND (YEARS OF') DEDICATION TO THE SPORT - takes time to build your body

THE BOTTLE ONLY HELPS - IF you actually have potential

ISN'T THE SOURCE OF

GREATNESS

[frogie2001]

cool, i see what you mean I was thinking you were tending towards speed as a cut down sup.

[Marcus]

I think like everything, different people will get different results from Clen.