Insulin timing

[IronGame]

Disclaimer

* Insulin is a very dangerous and lethal substance misuse can and has resulted in death*

This is my most recent take on how insulin should be used to create the most anabolis environment possible

Breakfast 5iu half way through a breakfast of low GI carbs and protein e.g. oats/berrys/milled flax seed and whey

Post workout NO insulin just natural spike from card/protein drink

I believe the post workout window is the most problematic time for blunting insulin sensitivity and possibly (though unlikly) developing diabeties. And with natural insulin output being at its peak adding extrogenis slin may be unnessisary.

45-60min after carb drink 10iu insulin with large carb and protein meal e.g. kumera and chicken breast + 3-4gm fish oil (if you are taking HGH take the GH 30min prior to this)

Opinions are most welcome

[NZPT]

good post. im assuming your reffering to fast acting insulin eg novorapid?

[IronGame]

good post. im assuming your reffering to fast acting insulin eg novorapid?

Yeah novorapid/humalog etc, though there is a place for the slower acting insulin preperations to, just need to be used differently.

[MUSCLEROIDS]

I will put up my post tomorrow with my cycle of Insulin, GH, and gear. And why i am doing it this way.

[blairandkelly]

how many weeks you running it for ?

[2guns]

Post workout NO insulin just natural spike from card/protein drink

I believe the post workout window is the most problematic time for blunting insulin sensitivity and possibly (though unlikly) developing diabeties. And with natural insulin output being at its peak adding extrogenis slin may be unnessisary.

when i used it for bulking i only used once a day and it was [post workout after working my way up slowly i stopped at 10iu post workout (i mean straight after, like go straight into the toilets and jab lol that kinda straight after)

id then have alot of glucose and big protein shake then go home and start pigging out, i only used my 300iu i had but would have loved to ahve used more and if i didnt live at home i would of used more than once per day.

i found it worked really well, felt real full on it.

wont be using it agian till i am out of home and can use it wheneva i want

[iamtheman]

iron game. mclovin 2 guns deegee, blairkelly , agentorange, chchhardgaina, nzpt, and anyone else use gear all losers

[iamtheman]

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[IronGame]

forgot to mention sumoanmuscle hahaha little fag he is :pfft: :pfft:

Im starting to really like you iamtheman we should meet up for a drink or somthing

[mr natural]

forgot to mention sumoanmuscle hahaha little fag he is :pfft: :pfft:

Im starting to really like you iamtheman we should meet up for a drink or somthing

why? are you gonna shoulder press him? lol

[IronGame]

forgot to mention sumoanmuscle hahaha little fag he is :pfft: :pfft:

Im starting to really like you iamtheman we should meet up for a drink or somthing

why? are you gonna shoulder press him? lol

Oh comon mr natural don't scare the poor little guy, I just want to be friends :wink:

[blairandkelly]

ill rip the little fuckers head clean off if i ever meat him :twisted: :twisted:

[Luigi]

iron game. mclovin 2 guns deegee, blairkelly , agentorange, chchhardgaina, nzpt, and anyone else use gear all losers

wat u pickin on this guy for he hasnt posted in months!! thankfully someone banned this idiot.

[sponge]

Disclaimer

* Insulin is a very dangerous and lethal substance misuse can and has resulted in death*

This is my most recent take on how insulin should be used to create the most anabolis environment possible

Breakfast 5iu half way through a breakfast of low GI carbs and protein e.g. oats/berrys/milled flax seed and whey

Post workout NO insulin just natural spike from card/protein drink

I believe the post workout window is the most problematic time for blunting insulin sensitivity and possibly (though unlikly) developing diabeties. And with natural insulin output being at its peak adding extrogenis slin may be unnessisary.

45-60min after carb drink 10iu insulin with large carb and protein meal e.g. kumera and chicken breast + 3-4gm fish oil (if you are taking HGH take the GH 30min prior to this)

Opinions are most welcome

interesting. where did you source this info, have you got a link?

cheers

[ohjoshua]

'Big tom' is a diabetic and would always shoot up (his insulin) after a work out... He did it in reception (no hidding in the toliet) and people were like " what is he doing drugs?" lol :pfft:

he got very big (hense the name) and very strong.

[MUSCLEROIDS]

Thought you might be interested in my cycle using insulin & GH. I only intend using insulin for 4 weeks initally to see how my body responds.

GH dosage is 2iu per day, 1iu taken upon rising & 1iu mid afternoon. on the sulin needle it the number 10iu this works out to be 1iu of GH from the brand i am using. This will increase to a maximum of 4iu daily over the next 2 weeks. I'm not sure how long I'll be staying on the GH but hopefully for 4-6 mouths depending on affordability.

Insulin is 3 times a week starting at 4iu increasing to a maximum of 8iu taken immediately after heavy training along with a protein/carb shake, maltodextrin. 45 to 60mins later I eat a solid meal of lean protein & complex carbs, then 2 hours later another meal of lean protein & vegetables. These meals contain no fat. This is one mistake a lot of guys make, they think by using insulin they can eat what they want, that's fine if you want to end up looking like the michelin man.

While on this cycle I intend to keep my fat intake to less than 10% of daily calories.

[IronGame]

You bring up a very valid point on the fat consumption, in the 3 hrs post insulin use (assuming short acting ) fat must be kept at minimal, although I would lean in favour of higher fat meals later on in the day.

Try your post workout use with the high carbs and protein for a few weeks and then try using it with your 1st solid carb and protein meal for few and I think you will be plesantly suprised by the later, as long as you give yourself a break inbetween insulin cycles.

[IronGame]

good post. im assuming your reffering to fast acting insulin eg novorapid?

The most effective way to use slow acting/long active duration insulin IMO is as follows, though this should only be implemented by advanced users, in conjunction with heavy AAS and some form of peptide i.e. IGF-1 or GH the peptide allows for new cell growth which AAS do not do, thus raising the "celing" of possable muscle growth.

M,W,F 2-3iu with every meal, fats are still consumed with all meals as the low steady dose will attract little fat deposition while creating a massivly anabolic environment for the entire day and night for 3 days a week and the break inbetween days will allow insulin sensitivity to be maintained as much as is possible, I also believe Metformin should be used post insulin cycle to bring sensitivity back up very quickly.

Somthing similar to this protocol was posted on another sight a while back but I dont recall where, anyway this is my take on it. And is what I will be implementing in a few months time, I will log progress

[mr natural]

Disclaimer

* Insulin is a very dangerous and lethal substance misuse can and has resulted in death*

This is my most recent take on how insulin should be used to create the most anabolis environment possible

Breakfast 5iu half way through a breakfast of low GI carbs and protein e.g. oats/berrys/milled flax seed and whey

Post workout NO insulin just natural spike from card/protein drink

I believe the post workout window is the most problematic time for blunting insulin sensitivity and possibly (though unlikly) developing diabeties. And with natural insulin output being at its peak adding extrogenis slin may be unnessisary.

45-60min after carb drink 10iu insulin with large carb and protein meal e.g. kumera and chicken breast + 3-4gm fish oil (if you are taking HGH take the GH 30min prior to this)

Opinions are most welcome

interesting. where did you source this info, have you got a link?

cheers

yeah i find shooting up on insulin after using up the effect of high GI carbs and expecting low GI carbs to level out the blood sugar levels rapidly alittle odd.

i think you need to have those high sugar levels in your blood as soon as you take it as the effect of the insulin is rather rapid,low gi carbs would not kick in soon enough.

[IronGame]

You dont need high GI carbs with insulin and I can see low GI carbs and insulin becoming the preferred method of administration in the very near future, this is the way many pro BB'res are using in recent times. And I myself have been doing it this way for some time now. Even on a very low carb diet (aprox 45gm/day @ breakfast only) 5iu of insulin halfway through that meal gave me no drop in blood glucose levels after (prick tested).

I must note at this point if you are inexperenced with insulin use you must keep a high GI carb drink on hand for emergency i.e. unforseen drop in sugar levels.

The object is to maintain insulin sensitivity and the best way to do this is by avoiding periods of both endro and extro insulin spikes.

Make the best of both worlds.

There are very few studies in insulin use in non diabetics but I will do my best to provide somthing soon. Besides the most reliable information is always going to be real life experience.