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Nathan Jones Posted September 20, 2007 Report Share Posted September 20, 2007 I would recommend test e. @ 500mg/wk (remember more isn't necessarily better) and throw in 400/mg deca in there as well. You wont get fat however expect water bloat... but its nothin to worry about. Run cycle at 10 weeks.NJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronGame Posted September 20, 2007 Report Share Posted September 20, 2007 If your not gaining enough your not eating enough, simple as that!Remember that you are efficiently able to convert more cal in to muscle when your on, so you need to increase your cal intake to gain the best results from a cycle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Nathan Jones Posted September 20, 2007 Report Share Posted September 20, 2007 Thanks NJ , would you think 750 of sust would produce less gains and more sides or just preffer the deca test stack?To put it simply you just dont need 750mg at this stage... I recommend the deca & test stack.NJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronGame Posted September 20, 2007 Report Share Posted September 20, 2007 Thanks NJ , would you think 750 of sust would produce less gains and more sides or just preffer the deca test stack?If your not gaining enough your not eating enough, simple as that!i was definatly eating clean and lots of food, i just got to a point on cycle and stopped gaining. some may say up the cals with more dirty food but i dont want to put on fat so would rather not. i have heard of people on cycle getting to a point and not gaining any more so i wouldnt put it down to diet. i work in the industry so have a large knowledge and qualifications on nutrioton etc so i cant blame that. just need help on the gear side of things.In the past I have come to the same conclusion as you, that when the weight levels out you need more gear, but this is not usually the case.I also have been in the industry for a fair while and would suggest you re-eveluate your diet and see how many cal you are attually consuming.If you have worked out your maintanance and you are well above it then look at the gear side of things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronGame Posted September 20, 2007 Report Share Posted September 20, 2007 As far as gear you could push it up a little, i have always got better results from single ester's than mixed.If I were to recomend you a cycle for good solid gains:500mg test e250mg tren e or a40mg proveron/dayand devide in to monday and thursday shots Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2guns Posted September 20, 2007 Report Share Posted September 20, 2007 test and deca together is the way to go i was on 600mg test e and 400mg deca for 12 weeks not so long ago which was made in someones kitchen.. id reccomend u do this instead of test only. although if u want bang for yr buck then lots of test would be the way to go depending who yr sources are Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Marcus Posted September 20, 2007 Report Share Posted September 20, 2007 NZPT: How many cals were you consuming per day? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Marcus Posted September 21, 2007 Report Share Posted September 21, 2007 Given this food I'm surprised at the results of your first cycle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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2guns Posted September 21, 2007 Report Share Posted September 21, 2007 how much did you gain off your test deca cycle 2guns? any sides?dont know how much i gained, i get nosebleeds when i take deca for somereason and its not the dose of gear just the deca it seems.that was 1000mg of juice all up (600 test and 400 deca), if i had of just taken 1000mg test by itself strength and size would have been alot better and come faster but keeping gains afterwards would have most probably been harder, this is wat i meant by test is the best bang for yr buck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronGame Posted September 21, 2007 Report Share Posted September 21, 2007 4200-4500 worked out on food works, lots of meat, clean carbs and shakes to make up what i couldnt fit in with foodWhat is your weight and height NZPT? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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