Therapeutics Medicine Bill

[deegee]

I see this Bill is finaly making it to parliment for its first reading, as it stands it sounds like it will change the whole supplements industry here.

I however do not really know that much about it but look forwarsdto hearing from a few of you who do know, and what it will mean for us supplement buyers.

[Cammo]

It means we may have to get a prescription to get a vitamin pill - sickening!!!

The pharmacuetical companies have to have had a hand in this somewhere - pricks.

Go into your local health shop & get a fistfull of the petition envelopes they have - give them to anyone that will will sign & send them.

I can't stand this sort of communist control these pricks in power are trying to force on us, who the f*ck are they to tell us we can't take a vitamin without consulting someone first.

Annette King's to blame for this cock-up.

If I'd know there was going to be a protest outside the beehive today I would've been down there.

[Pseudonym]

http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/488120/926023

[big MAC]

First reading passed 61-60. This is being done for all the wrong reasons. Some people, coughAnnetteKingcough, should get a clue. I already use Aussie supps, but way to kill an industry.

I don't see this as being similar to Sue Bradfords baby, the Anti-Smacking bill. Semi-good intentions (stopping child abuse), but very ignorant, inefficient and altogether harmful.

[waldo]

http://www.parliament.nz/NR/rdonlyres/7 ... 8_4027.pdf

The bill in it's entirity for anyone who can be bothered reading it. I have to agree with the commentators....this bill has it's good and it's bad.

If anyone can remember the Pan Pharmaceuticals debacle, I gather this bill is designed to prevent things like that happening again. I guess we can rest safe in the knowledge that what is on the label is what is in the product. Great for the consumer, but compliance would be incredibly expensive for the manufacturer. It is also designed to encourage trade between NZ and Australia.

[The Legend Killer]

First reading passed 61-60. This is being done for all the wrong reasons.

It appears as if Taito Phillip Field will become an unwitting hero for the bodybuilding community as he has announced that he will now be voting against this bill, making it 61-60 against.

[waldo]

First reading passed 61-60. This is being done for all the wrong reasons.

It appears as if Taito Phillip Field will become an unwitting hero for the bodybuilding community as he has announced that he will now be voting against this bill, making it 61-60 against.

Thus making a mockery of all political process.

[The Legend Killer]

That's democracy.

[waldo]

You are exactly right.

ALTHOUGH...the fact he has stuck a HUGE spanner in the works for Sue 'I will dictate how you bring up your kids' Bradfords bill means he has now gained some respect from me.

Methinks he is just trying to stick one up Helen now.

[Pseudonym]

For more information, including details on a protest march this weekend...

http://www.healthfreedom.co.nz/

[Pseudonym]

Sugar coating for contentious medicines and therapeutic products bill

A compromise has been developed on the highly contentious proposal of a transtasman regulatory agency for medicines and therapeutic products, the Herald understands.

The Government is in the process of consulting other parties about the compromise - devised by New Zealand First - but it is not yet clear if there are enough votes for it to pass.

The compromise would still establish an agency but give makers of New Zealand-based complementary products the option of being regulated by it instead of forcing coverage on them.

A domestic regulatory regime would exist for those who opted out.

Full story here:

http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/1/sto ... d=10441470

I'm not sure what I think about this... It's great that the original bill failed, but I don't think this is the answer either. It seems like this solution requires twice the amount of bureaucracy to do the same job. Your thoughts?

[deegee]

I still dont see why they cant leave things as they are, sure there are problems at the moment with some dodgy products, but concentrate on them.

[ectomorph]

Hi there,

Great topic line.

The public should be provided some form of protection that any therapeutic product (read drug) is in-fact safe.

That is to say tested, in the correct dosage not to be harmful, and comes with a warning that individuals with certain afflictions should avoid taking them etc etc.

Why should it be just the Pharmaceutical companies that need to provide such assurances and go through strict prolonged testing and independent scrutiny etc?

Why should so the called Natural Health Industry be exempt testing and quality controls?

How the hell do you know if this ‘natural cure’ even works?

The seller’s word?

Does the guy selling you this drug have the necessary training to know what is right for you and what is not?

Or does he just want a sale?

I can't remember my own Doctor wanting to sell me one drug over another? But he's a trained professional not driven by commercial perogative.

Will the Health Shop Owner/B.B Supplement provider know that by allowing you to access this product it may cause an adverse reaction to clients like you taking [insert name of one of 1,000] prescription medicines your doctor has you on?

Can you ever remember being asked "what prescriptions are you taking?"

when you last purchased a supplement?

This is ‘the wild west’ and it’s about time it was cleaned up.

The Government is trying to balance off the potential health benefits and risks posed by all drugs and health products.

It’s about public safety.

Long overdue in my view.

[Mo250]

Hi there,

Great topic line.

The public should be provided some form of protection that any therapeutic product (read drug) is in-fact safe.

That is to say tested, in the correct dosage not to be harmful, and comes with a warning that individuals with certain afflictions should avoid taking them etc etc.

Why should it be just the Pharmaceutical companies that need to provide such assurances and go through strict prolonged testing and independent scrutiny etc?

Why should so the called Natural Health Industry be exempt testing and quality controls?

How the hell do you know if this ‘natural cure’ even works?

The seller’s word?

Does the guy selling you this drug have the necessary training to know what is right for you and what is not?

Or does he just want a sale?

I can't remember my own Doctor wanting to sell me one drug over another? But he's a trained professional not driven by commercial perogative.

Will the Health Shop Owner/B.B Supplement provider know that by allowing you to access this product it may cause an adverse reaction to clients like you taking [insert name of one of 1,000] prescription medicines your doctor has you on?

Can you ever remember being asked "what prescriptions are you taking?"

when you last purchased a supplement?

This is ‘the wild west’ and it’s about time it was cleaned up.

The Government is trying to balance off the potential health benefits and risks posed by all drugs and health products.

It’s about public safety.

Long overdue in my view.

I agree that there are some phoney natural products and supplements with no reserach to back them up and at the same time there are also some suspicious drugs.

however for the remaining majority, there is plenty of research and there are some credible sources of info like http://www.LEF.org

people need to do their own research and find out more about that particular drug/herb and stop complaining. the public likes someone to spoon-feed them.

even some of my professional docotors- with all the amount of training they received- were ignorant about some of the drugs I've used until I presented them with the research data done.

''But he's a trained professional not driven by commercial perogative''

I'd be careful from using those terms. some are driven by pharamecutical companies just as much as other natural sellers.

''How the hell do you know if this ‘natural cure’ even works?

The seller’s word?'''

that logic can also be extended to the drug side. how do we know that a particular drug works? because the doctor said so?

you need some research data to back that up, and if you go in depth you'll find that there are protocols for such things.

''That is to say tested, in the correct dosage not to be harmful, and comes with a warning that individuals with certain afflictions should avoid taking them etc etc. ''

everybody is so biochemically different that it would be difficult to define what a ''correct dosage'' is and what is harmful to someone might be entirely tolerable for another. Guidelines are just that. Of course any warnings about interactions with other drugs or while pregnant etc...... should be clearly indicated, and while I'm not sure about the health market in NZ, the herbal stuff I get from CC has pretty much everything laid out.

I personally think the government should keep their interference to a minimum. we don't want another monopoly thank you.

on a side note this actually reminds me of the FDA trying to regulate vitamins and other dietary supplements. by their standards you can consider vegetable juice a ''drug'' too.

[Dumbelldog]

on a side note this actually reminds me of the FDA trying to regulate vitamins and other dietary supplements. by their standards you can consider vegetable juice a ''drug'' too.

Exactly everything that you smallow can loosely be considered a supplement, where the bloody hell does it end!!!!

I was listening to John Banks talking about this the other morning early on talk back radio. He reckons that they have gone too far already and if you want to go the chemist and buy what ever you need then why not! You can in some countries, does it lead to wide spread abuse? Does it lead to death and disease? I dought it some how. It's like the forbidden friut you only want what you can't have.

Anyway just food for thought. :shrug:

[Mo250]

on a side note this actually reminds me of the FDA trying to regulate vitamins and other dietary supplements. by their standards you can consider vegetable juice a ''drug'' too.

Exactly everything that you smallow can loosely be considered a supplement, where the bloody hell does it end!!!!

I was listening to John Banks talking about this the other morning early on talk back radio. He reckons that they have gone too far already and if you want to go the chemist and buy what ever you need then why not! You can in some countries, does it lead to wide spread abuse? Does it lead to death and disease? I dought it some how. It's like the forbidden friut you only want what you can't have.

Anyway just food for thought. :shrug:

thats the problem really. whose to define what a ''medicine'' or ''supplement'' is. we can think of water as therapeutic or drug-like for instance. it can be used against dehydration.

I do know that in certain countries like Holland you need a prescription to get Vitamin C above a certain amount, and they sell that at a far higher price too.

we have some stuff classified as ''prescription medicine'' down here and I really don't understand why. you can get sick from something as simple as the food you eat.

[ectomorph]

Hi there,

Very selective editing.

Any medical practitioner receives professional training and issues a prescription based on their patients ailment/symptoms.

Other medical issues are weighed up including other drugs you may be on, consumption of alcohol, age, weight, exercise regime etc.

This prescription is then completed by a Chemist, another qualified professional.

The drugs prescribed are rigorously tested internationally.

You appear cynical as to the validity and robustness of this process and at rare times yes the system does not work.

But I personally prefer this system to “lay-mans” research or the limited knowledge of commercial outlet like a Health Shop or on-line Body-Building Retailer.

When health and safety is at stake, sometimes the public does need to be protected and clearly this area has been un-policed for far too long.

By the way I’m an ACT voter so I’m the last one to want more interference in our lives but in 1995 I was hospitalised when the Herbal Remedy I was taking interfered with a prescription drug speeding up my heart rate.

I honestly thought I was going to die.

So I know damn well the dangers of drugs being freely sold over the counter under the guise of a ‘herbal remedy’.

[haydz0r]

will sunscreen be part of this bill too? thats insanely intensely stupid.

[blairandkelly]

natural remodies , how many people have you heard of dying from these ectomorph ? none . on the other hand prescribed drugs made up around 1500 deaths in the last year through various circumstaces.

get your head out of the sand ectomorph, bodybuildings not a sport :pfft: .......

yeah right.

each to their own in my opinion, if someone wants to take puha juice to ward away some cancers, be my guest.

if someone wants to sell the stuff, go for it but who gives the government the right to put an end to some of these natural remedies being sold

its utter bullshit, at the end o the day its all about the dollars and what ever rings ya bell

[Mo250]

natural remodies , how many people have you heard of dying from these ectomorph ? none . on the other hand prescribed drugs made up around 1500 deaths in the last year through various circumstaces.

get your head out of the sand ectomorph, bodybuildings not a sport :pfft: .......

yeah right.

each to their own in my opinion, if someone wants to take puha juice to ward away some cancers, be my guest.

if someone wants to sell the stuff, go for it but who gives the government the right to put an end to some of these natural remedies being sold

its utter bullshit, at the end o the day its all about the dollars and what ever rings ya bell

I agree about the big pharma issue. Research into DCA comes into mind here. they wouldn't do it because they didn't profit from it, plus the fact that it was unpatented and easy to make. but the natural sector needs a clean-up to, I think we remember the kava-kava issue. the government will probably end up regulating everything as a prescription if they had their way.

[Dumbelldog]

natural remodies , how many people have you heard of dying from these ectomorph ? none . on the other hand prescribed drugs made up around 1500 deaths in the last year through various circumstaces.

Tell you what guys I went to the doctor with my wife once and she needed some antibiotics for a chest infection or such like. The doctor asked her in my presence if she was allergic to anything she replied penicillin (is that how it's spelt). He gave us a prescription that I took to the pharmacy next door while she waited in the car, they said to me is she allergic to anything I replied penicillin and that was exactly what he had prescribed for her. For f.....s sake he could have killed her that day! :smackbottom: :banging:

[Mo250]

natural remodies , how many people have you heard of dying from these ectomorph ? none . on the other hand prescribed drugs made up around 1500 deaths in the last year through various circumstaces.

Tell you what guys I went to the doctor with my wife once and she needed some antibiotics for a chest infection or such like. The doctor asked her in my presence if she was allergic to anything she replied penicillin (is that how it's spelt). He gave us a prescription that I took to the pharmacy next door while she waited in the car, they said to me is she allergic to anything I replied penicillin and that was exactly what he had prescribed for her. For f.....s sake he could have killed her that day! :smackbottom: :banging:

LOL, are you serious.

[ectomorph]

The Kiwi consumer deserves to know (a.) product is safe and tested independently to international standards, in this case we'll adopt the established Australian criteria (b.) comes with a health warning as to its adverse effects (c.) the outlet selling the drug has a full-time trained/qualified individual dishing them out.

This doesn't seem unreasonable to me.

Reputable manufacturers have nothing to fear.

The sky is not falling!

[Dumbelldog]

LOL, are you serious.

Totally serious no bullshit, almost a little hard to believe I know. :shock:

I replied to the pharmacist at the time "hell we told him that" they were a little embarrased for the doctor I think.

[poos_n_wees]

Tell you what guys I went to the doctor with my wife once and she needed some antibiotics for a chest infection or such like. The doctor asked her in my presence if she was allergic to anything she replied penicillin (is that how it's spelt). He gave us a prescription that I took to the pharmacy next door while she waited in the car, they said to me is she allergic to anything I replied penicillin and that was exactly what he had prescribed for her. For f.....s sake he could have killed her that day! :smackbottom: :banging:

Did you go back to that doctor for some answers??

Note to self: Never get sick in the Naki :shifty: