Seconds anyone?

[TinyTin]

So I've finished my first cycle of Sustanon and I'm happy with the results but to be honest I wish I had researched everything alot more, especially when it came to PCT, a term I was blissfully unaware of until recently. I probably won't do my second cycle for a while yet but in the mean time I've started looking into some sample cycles and the best PCT to follow it with. There's alot of good information online but at the same time the alot of conflicting advice and information around.

I've attached a sample cycle and a PCT plan along with their sources. Most of the samples I've found don't seem to provide any explanation as to why they're structured the way they are but these seem to have a logical science to them ... then I could be completely off the track.

What do you guys reckon?

[2guns]

it depend wat u wanna do?

and wat u wanna spend u did a pretty low dose cycle of sus.

if it was me id do another test cycle and just up the doses especially if u didnt wanna spend alot as i think that one u posted up will cost u over a grand

[bulking]

The PCT is basically junk.

Hcg should be run either throughout the cycle at 250-500 per week or in higher doses at the end before Pct starts. Theres no need for aromasin, a better idea would be to run adex throughout the cycle at 0.25-0.5mg a day to keep estro in normal ranges.

For pct Nolva + hcg is plenty for a ten weeker. Have spare nolva if you need it on cycle( 10 mg +.25 adex 'should' be enough to keep gyno away) .

You could put that cycle together for $700 or so if you had the right contacts.

[Wynton]

Have you done pct now that you know what it is? it would probably be in your best interest to get some blood tests done to check that your hormone levels are within normal range. Also if you didn't already know most people recommend that you should take the same amount of time off that you were on including pct.

[2guns]

if you had the right contacts

700? find that hard to belive for 20ml of test, depends wat dose of deca u took and would depend on how many tabs of dbol u got and then the nolva.

maybe if yr mate didnt wanna to make a buck off you but id say most people doing these deals are out to make some sorta profit other wise it just wouldnt be worth it they would just get it for them selves.

y do u think all these ppl offer you gear? so they can pocket some money probably to put toward their own cycle

[TinyTin]

it depend wat u wanna do?

and wat u wanna spend u did a pretty low dose cycle of sus.

if it was me id do another test cycle and just up the doses especially if u didnt wanna spend alot as i think that one u posted up will cost u over a grand

I'd like to do a few more bulking cycles and then look at cutting later if needed. I've spoken to a friend of mine and he's recommended something similar considering that my first cycle was very low doses of sust. He's recommended 500mg sust a week and 250mg sust + 200mg deca every alternating week. Is this perhaps a better option?

[TinyTin]

Have you done pct now that you know what it is? it would probably be in your best interest to get some blood tests done to check that your hormone levels are within normal range. Also if you didn't already know most people recommend that you should take the same amount of time off that you were on including pct.

I haven't. With the birth of my son last week I've lived on very little sleep and lots of coffee to keep me up at work during the day. The result has been a loss of appetite and all together a loss of hard earned kgs. Monday is the day I've nominated to start finding routine again. It'll be a while before I do another cycle but I'd like to go into my next one well prepared.

[2guns]

i dnt know.

it seems everyone has different advice when it come to cycles. and thers no right or wrong way to put togther one, with out being silly or too stupid

[2guns]

i just read your second post.

i think you should have chosen yr timing better. now tht yr not sleeping,eating etc how u should yr gains like u said are wasting away.

it looks like you made some respectable gains, even thogh u didnt post up b4 pics.

and its looking like youve wasted yr time, money and effort if you lose it.

dont mean to be harsh but for your next one id plan ahead better for yr sake.

anyway hope you get back on track bro.

good luck

[TinyTin]

The next cycle will see alot more preparation on my part. Have worked out some diet guidlines and start back at the gym properly on Monday. I'll be trying to make as much gain as possible before my cycle begins. Just about decided on the cycle and PCT based on much help and advice and started collecting my gear.

Hopefully by the end of it I'll have some experience and learnings to share with everyone.

[Pseudonym]

Good stuff, TinyTin. Keep us posted as you go.

[TinyTin]

The PCT is basically junk.

Hcg should be run either throughout the cycle at 250-500 per week or in higher doses at the end before Pct starts. Theres no need for aromasin, a better idea would be to run adex throughout the cycle at 0.25-0.5mg a day to keep estro in normal ranges.

For pct Nolva + hcg is plenty for a ten weeker. Have spare nolva if you need it on cycle( 10 mg +.25 adex 'should' be enough to keep gyno away) .

You could put that cycle together for $700 or so if you had the right contacts.

Good estimation, have sourced and tallied up the cost to put together the rest of my cycle and it's about $750-$800.

[deegee]

Will be interested to hear how things go lookforward to hearing about it. Will you be posting up some before and after pics on this one. After pics looked good that you poted up before, but as stated it would have been good to have a comparison set. Good luck

[2guns]

have sourced and tallied up the cost to put together the rest of my cycle and it's about $750-$800.

wat ru getting for this?

[deegee]

He did post up a proposal but I see that has been taken down. Perhaps there wioll be an updated one ?

[2guns]

yeah hopefully he posts up wat hes getting for tht amount

[TinyTin]

Here's the updated cycle which I hope covers all grounds.

cycle2.xls

[2guns]

is this for $700?

when do u plan on starting it?

[deegee]

Will the test be sustanon again? What brand by the way?

[TinyTin]

Will the test be sustanon again? What brand by the way?

It'll be testosterone ethanate this time.

[ama]

Bro,

Not a bad looking cycle there but first of all,

Why are you running HCG during your cycle? Don't you think you'd be better off leaving this for PCT?

Also, I think your starting the nolva too early and way too frequently.

Start the nolva in the 3rd or 4th week and do it EOD.

Bro, Im on 1250mg of gear a week and I only use 20mg of Tamoxcifen every third day.

[2guns]

Bro, Im on 1250mg of gear a week and I only use 20mg of Tamoxcifen every third day.

well post up some pictures... big guy

[TinyTin]

Bro,

Not a bad looking cycle there but first of all,

Why are you running HCG during your cycle? Don't you think you'd be better off leaving this for PCT?

Also, I think your starting the nolva too early and way too frequently.

Start the nolva in the 3rd or 4th week and do it EOD.

Bro, Im on 1250mg of gear a week and I only use 20mg of Tamoxcifen every third day.

There seem to be varied opinions on the effectiveness of HCG in PCT.

Some claim that HCG is good to use during the cycle, others post cycle and some claim HCG is counter productive to recovery.

After talking to a few people and reading articles like this (http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/clomid-hcg.asp) I decided that smaller doses during my cycle was the better way to go.

I may have been a little over cautious on the Nolva though. I've seen a few cycles that recommend starting it in the 3rd week and EOD. New to this though so thought I'd tread carefully.

[ama]

Bro, Im on 1250mg of gear a week and I only use 20mg of Tamoxcifen every third day.

well post up some pictures... big guy

Whats your problem boy?

[ama]

Bro,

Not a bad looking cycle there but first of all,

Why are you running HCG during your cycle? Don't you think you'd be better off leaving this for PCT?

Also, I think your starting the nolva too early and way too frequently.

Start the nolva in the 3rd or 4th week and do it EOD.

Bro, Im on 1250mg of gear a week and I only use 20mg of Tamoxcifen every third day.

There seem to be varied opinions on the effectiveness of HCG in PCT.

Some claim that HCG is good to use during the cycle, others post cycle and some claim HCG is counter productive to recovery.

After talking to a few people and reading articles like this (http://www.muscletalk.co.uk/clomid-hcg.asp) I decided that smaller doses during my cycle was the better way to go.

I may have been a little over cautious on the Nolva though. I've seen a few cycles that recommend starting it in the 3rd week and EOD. New to this though so thought I'd tread carefully.

Yep, I reckon EOD in the third week is definately the way to go.

I realize that you are trying to be cautious, but remember that if completely suppress your estrogen, you will make lesser gains.

It's really all about finding a balance with each substance and dosage complementing each other, in some form or another.