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Yea definitely makes it easier off the floor as easier to engage the Quads to break the floor (if you don't mind the slight deficit)

But completely throws your leverages out for locking out, doesn't put your hips in a good position to lock out a heavy weight at all.

Would seem good at a lighter weight cos the speed and momentum would keep it reasonably smooth but when you came to do heavy and need all your leverages in your favour I would almost guarantee that your missing point would be just above your knees

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Was thinking about this and it could be a beneficial way to build speed off the floor. And as said above engage the muscles people find hard to engage in the deadlift. I think speed is often an overlooked part of the deadlift. Speed from the ground gives you great momentum to finish the lift off. Before all my heavy lifts all I think about is being as fast as I can from the floor. This is the idea behind a deadlift suit to give that speed off the ground hoping that momentum will translate into a locked out deadlift as the suit offers very little once the bar is at the knees. Which is why rack pulls and block pulls are used and really have no place in raw deadlifting but that's my opinion and another topic altogether. It is true that the deadlift is the easiest lift to do and teach but it's the hardest lift to 'feel' (feeling that you are doing it correctly). My deadlift has increased quickly when I read about a concept that the deadlift is not a pull but a 2 movement lift being a push then a pull. If you buy into this and concentrate on applying it to your deadlift and feeling it then you are using more body to get the bar off the floor to lockout. More muscles used can lift more weight. Rather than what people think it's just pulling the weight off the floor and grinding it up.

I think oly shoes is different to a deficit deadlift but similar concept. Here is a short post I wrote on deficit deadlift on my Instagram 27 weeks ago. I can't copy paste so just screen shotted it...

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I would recommend deficit deads as a way to increase speed off the floor over pulling in weightlifting shoes anyday.

The angle of the heel would change the motor pattern and wouldn't necessarily translate to increased quad recruitment once you went back to flat shoes from the floor as you would be used to activating them in a different position.

Deficit Deads are a much money effective option imo.

Although too high of a deficit and you throw yourself out of position again. It's very much a balancing act.

I generally stick to a 2 inch deficit to create extra ROM etc but still be able to get into a good position that is similar to my usual pulling position.

Agree fully on the two step movement though, it's a push then a pull for sure

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The push cue is to get people to use their legs off the ground. Creates a much better position leverage wise for later in the lift when the bar reaches your knees you are in a position to pull with your hips and back and explode through to lock out.

Whereas if you think pull from the get go that's when you see people's hips shoot up and basically turn it into a Romanian to differing degrees and then your body is positioned too far over the bar once it reaches your knees and you have to try and pull it back to be able to get your hips through.

Hopefully that explains it okay and you get what I mean ?

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+1 to what beastbuilder said, i struggled hard to to get it then one day someone said dont think about lifting the weight, just grip the bar, set up, shove your heels hard as you can into the ground like a push

 

thats half of the lift done, from there you pull, once you think about it like that its just a matter of timing and coordinating the push and pull to work together but it does make it easier imo

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dunno if this is worth another thread but in deadlift setup, some of the bigger guys before they lift, they grip the bar and fall right back till ass is all the way down, eddie hall for one example, why do they do this?

 

il post video soon for reference

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I believe it is too accentuate the pushing/squatting movement at the beginning of the lift bro.

Keeps the hips in a lower position to begin the pull which is half people's problem, their hips are too high.

Just a different technique some people use, same as rolling the bar out first then pulling it to help with the initial inertia since the bar is already moving.

Different things like that work for different people, I used to roll my Deads, but I pull more now as I get a better position not rolling it (hips lower, more leg drive).

Can't hurt to try a few different cues to get into position, and one or another will click and you'll be away !

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I believe it is too accentuate the pushing/squatting movement at the beginning of the lift bro.

Keeps the hips in a lower position to begin the pull which is half people's problem, their hips are too high.

Just a different technique some people use, same as rolling the bar out first then pulling it to help with the initial inertia since the bar is already moving.

Different things like that work for different people, I used to roll my Deads, but I pull more now as I get a better position not rolling it (hips lower, more leg drive).

Can't hurt to try a few different cues to get into position, and one or another will click and you'll be away !

 

i reckon could be good idea to make a form check thread in here where we can look at each others form on various lifts and provide input, iv improved a lot from having people go over my form (wookie, tom, in particular have helped a lot) and sometimes these get missed in journal. if anyone is having a sticking point or problem area can highlight it and get few different opinions. 

 

might kick it off tonight 

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The length of your legs and arms determines the proper hip position for YOUR Deadlift setup. Don’t try emulate somebody else’s setup unless you have a similar build or you’ll set your hips too low/high. Most of time my answer to people is just get stronger.

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i reckon could be good idea to make a form check thread in here where we can look at each others form on various lifts and provide input, iv improved a lot from having people go over my form (wookie, tom, in particular have helped a lot) and sometimes these get missed in journal. if anyone is having a sticking point or problem area can highlight it and get few different opinions. 

 

might kick it off tonight 

Keen of this! 

 

Will film my next deadlift session (this weekend) 

 

Which view is best directly side on or angle from the front when critiquing? 

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The length of your legs and arms determines the proper hip position for YOUR Deadlift setup. Don’t try emulate somebody else’s setup unless you have a similar build or you’ll set your hips too low/high. Most of time my answer to people is just get stronger.

More often than not the most over looked and under trained part of lifting heavy lol.

People don't like to get strong cos it requires hard work.

@Jimmybro

Usually an angled shot is better for form critique as can see hip positions better in relation to chest etc

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More often than not the most over looked and under trained part of lifting heavy lol.

People don't like to get strong cos it requires hard work.

@Jimmybro

Usually an angled shot is better for form critique as can see hip positions better in relation to chest etc

yeah thats the logical first step lol

once that's covered im more thinking if you are giving away kgs through obvious mistakes, guess that is the point of having a coach

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Good read guys. This is why I love this site. Would also be keen on a form check thread . Have recently started the roll start to my deads myself and quite like the feel. My definite weakness is from the initial pull off the floor so might start a few weeks after comp in heels and see how I go.

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