Ignite Posted March 29, 2015 Report Share Posted March 29, 2015 Cycle History: 4 cycles various compounds including Test E/P Dbol/EQ. first 2 where test E Only, starting weight before any gym work was around 65kilo.Training History: been in the gym for 7 years, on and off with various intensities over timeStatsWeight:92KiloBF%: 15ishBench:135Squat:170Deadlift:205Will be running Tren for the first time at 300mg a week for 10 weeks, want peoples thoughts on running Caber or Prami with this dosage, my initial thoughts are that i shouldn't need it if my estrogen levels are in check and with this low does test it shouldn't be a problem.. but should i have on hand just incase? Or will vit b6 be enough to combat throughout cycle? 12 Week Cycle plan is;1-12 Test E @ 250mg Week2-12 Tren Ace @ 300mg WeekPCT still deciding on whether i go with a Slow Test Taper or Clomid/Nolva Combo. Already have enough Test E to run taper and Clomid/nolva/Adex on hand, will decide what i want to run with leading into PCT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maccaz Posted March 29, 2015 Report Share Posted March 29, 2015 imo sides are exagerated, if thats what is making you want to keep test low, no need to run test lower than tren, especially if you are hoping to put on size/weight. 500 test e350 tren a Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daz69 Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 Cycle History: 4 cycles various compounds including Test E/P Dbol/EQ. first 2 where test E Only, starting weight before any gym work was around 65kilo.Training History: been in the gym for 7 years, on and off with various intensities over timeStatsWeight:92KiloBF%: 15ishBench:135Squat:170Deadlift:205Will be running Tren for the first time at 300mg a week for 10 weeks, want peoples thoughts on running Caber or Prami with this dosage, my initial thoughts are that i shouldn't need it if my estrogen levels are in check and with this low does test it shouldn't be a problem.. but should i have on hand just incase? Or will vit b6 be enough to combat throughout cycle? 12 Week Cycle plan is;1-12 Test E @ 250mg Week2-12 Tren Ace @ 300mg WeekPCT still deciding on whether i go with a Slow Test Taper or Clomid/Nolva Combo. Already have enough Test E to run taper and Clomid/nolva/Adex on hand, will decide what i want to run with leading into PCT. What makes you think you need a D2 agonist..? Rather than start tren at week 2 start it with the test at week 1, finishing the tren at week 10, and run the test as a taper in the last 2 weeks...Don't bother with PCT..!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ignite Posted March 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 Thanks for the reply's, goal is more of a recomp.10-12% at the same weight maccas and im too d nuts to run higher at this stage. wana see what it can do for me at a low dose.Daz - To be perfectly honest i don't think i need one at all. If what ive read is correct, If i dont have the high levels of estrogen floating around there is nothing for a 19-nor to bind too and prolactin/progestin induced gyno shouldnt happen. But then i see threads where people say they wouldn't run Tren without it with explanations why and then i get doubts with my reasoning. Want to hear about any first hand experiences that members may have had. Im definitely going to run Tren. Just want to do it as safely as possible!Re PCT, yeap. Good idea, slow taper sits better with me also! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwicannon Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 IMHO if you've got no experience with 19NORs i feel you should have it on hand just in case. Why run Test E with Tren Ace? Id run Test P with it, but thats just me personally. Re, Caber / Prami. Better to have it and not need it , then to not have it and need it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ignite Posted March 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 Hi Kiwicannon, thanks for the reply. To be honest im going on holiday at the end of June and want to have my august 2014 look back trolol. Test E because then i can do PCT after im back from holiday or taper down slowly(only away 7 days). Would rather do that then run a short cycle and do PCT before or during holiday. Will probably take some cialis with me too to help with the bridge(although i shouldn't need it) thanks Re the Caber etc. My thoughts exactly, and caber can have some pretty desirable side effects if im reading correctly lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryB Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 Just run it and see what happens Don't die lol also don't over analyse it. Ignite 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryB Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 Try and remember that it's mostly all conjecture based loosely on studies conducted on people using peds for actual medical reasons. No one reputable is running proper studies with multiple drugs or with the dosages bodybuilders seem to think is correct. So it's all just conjecture anyway. Sure science blah blah blah zzzz show me the study where the 100 subjects use 2gm test with 700 tren and gh and igf and insulin and thyroid etc etc even then only 100 subjects is a bit of a statistical nothing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atrollappears Posted March 30, 2015 Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 Thanks for the reply's, goal is more of a recomp.10-12% at the same weight maccas and im too d nuts to run higher at this stage. wana see what it can do for me at a low dose.Daz - To be perfectly honest i don't think i need one at all. If what ive read is correct, If i dont have the high levels of estrogen floating around there is nothing for a 19-nor to bind too and prolactin/progestin induced gyno shouldnt happen. But then i see threads where people say they wouldn't run Tren without it with explanations why and then i get doubts with my reasoning. Want to hear about any first hand experiences that members may have had. Im definitely going to run Tren. Just want to do it as safely as possible!Re PCT, yeap. Good idea, slow taper sits better with me also! Manage estrogen you negate the possibility of gyno, as stated in any study ever published...Prolactin can stimulate lactation, NOT gyno... I thought the bro-science myth of progesterone gyno died out, because there was no money to be made from the myth, unlike for the myth of prolactin gyno which has led to many an idiot spending small fortunes on caber, prami and what not. The only way to treat PR problems was with mifepristone, which aside from being insanely expensive, was also heavily regulated AND an anti-androgen. Myths in this game only persist as long as people can make money off of them. Progesterone in the breast, is anti-proliferative, especially in the presence of androgen. It counters gyno..!! Ideally you will want to lower test when using tren, or opt to increase androgenic compounds, as is often the case with tren:mast combo's. Neither should have an effect at lower levels of estrogen though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ignite Posted March 30, 2015 Author Report Share Posted March 30, 2015 Boom! thanks all, appreciate the responses. Ive heard what i need to hear, now just have to get onto it and see what it does for me. :rockout: :rockout: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aesthetix123 Posted April 1, 2015 Report Share Posted April 1, 2015 interesting read bro, im in the same boat. about to do first tren ace / test prop cycle but not running any caber or prami only running .25md arimidex eod good luck with cycle! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daz69 Posted April 1, 2015 Report Share Posted April 1, 2015 interesting read bro, im in the same boat. about to do first tren ace / test prop cycle but not running any caber or prami only running .25md arimidex eod good luck with cycle! Manage estrogen, without knocking it out completely, and you negate the need for unnecessary polypharmacy...Unless your Tren is really Nandrolone..!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aesthetix123 Posted April 2, 2015 Report Share Posted April 2, 2015 yeah most forums I have looked on and read about running tren cycles without caber or prami have all come back with same answer really... if you manage your estrogen with an ai and keep it under control you shouldn't need to worry about prolactin issues.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yeelang Posted April 2, 2015 Report Share Posted April 2, 2015 or just keep your test lowish, and go high on the tren/DHT support I think the reason progesterone is still relevant in the discussion is that tren and test induced gyno is still happening regardless of nolva, so there is other mechanisms at play. yes estrogen is the catalyst, and I always recommend if people want to use tren it should be with low test, especially for a first cycle, however for those looking to get deep into pro status territory it seems to me tren and test(estrogen) is a must.. there's just something about this combo you can't get from other drugs and I think it has to do with the estrogen. personally for the intermediate looking for a next level bulk, I would just run 3/4 times the test and leave the tren, it works out to be around the same price (based on powder), gyno management is easy, and you save the tren for when you want to look swole on the beach. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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