deepmen15 Posted December 15, 2009 Report Share Posted December 15, 2009 HiI would be interested interested in knowing what every1 thinks about the below mentioned mass gainers and how would you rank them and why? Serious Mass True Mass Mutant MassWould you stack them with creatine? If so, pls recommend a good brand / product!Cheers! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ordy Posted December 15, 2009 Report Share Posted December 15, 2009 I've only used the mutant mass range so far. But it defiantly works. Helped me put on about 10-15kg.Its about 1/2 the price of the other brands when you get the large bag.Worked out to $2.87 for a full double serve for the 6.8KG bags.(26g protein and 85g carbs)Has PVL's vextrago in it, which is a super fast (much faster and better for you than dextrose) absorbing carb in it for post workouts.Every flavour tastes better than every other shake I've tried so far, cookies and cream is my fav of those tho, tastes just like the icecream Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samoan_muscle Posted December 15, 2009 Report Share Posted December 15, 2009 10-15kgs?!?!?! Wow that's better than steroids! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ordy Posted December 15, 2009 Report Share Posted December 15, 2009 took a while but its true. Went from 70-85kg over 6months or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deepmen15 Posted December 16, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 Yeah true ….Mutant beats others on price …..But the nutrition content per serving for protein is 26 ….. Suppose I take a serving 3 times a day it kind of adds up to only 78 g of protein per day …. I currently weigh 140 lbs and ideally for bulking you need to consume at least 1-2 gm of protein per lbs of you body mass (please correct me if I am wrong)…. Which means by consuming mutant mass I would be falling short of my target protein consumption levels? :-s On the other hand serious mass and true mass has about 50 odd gm of protein per serving ( adds up to 150+ gm of protein)….the only draw back I can see is the price lol :oops: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samoan_muscle Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 took a while but its true. Went from 70-85kg over 6months or so.My sarcasm was because you would get the exact same result if not better by eating real food. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HaNs Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 Yeah true ….Mutant beats others on price …..But the nutrition content per serving for protein is 26 ….. Suppose I take a serving 3 times a day it kind of adds up to only 78 g of protein per day …. I currently weigh 140 lbs and ideally for bulking you need to consume at least 1-2 gm of protein per lbs of you body mass (please correct me if I am wrong)…. Which means by consuming mutant mass I would be falling short of my target protein consumption levels? :-s On the other hand serious mass and true mass has about 50 odd gm of protein per serving ( adds up to 150+ gm of protein)….the only draw back I can see is the price lol :oops:Do you not eat real food? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePman Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 If so, pls recommend a good brand / product!Milk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deepmen15 Posted December 16, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 Yes, I do but that doesn’t answer my question thanks! :naughty: I do eat food but I am a hard gainer! Hence I think those extra calories! And if you could tell me a better & practical method I will definitely try it! (Mind you I work 8 to 12 hrs a day during the week and eating is not the only thing I do lol; although I am trying to eat real food every 3 hours during the day) Hence you see i am looking for something that is viable! But I do agree real food is the best option certainly not the most convenient and practical one lol :-sAlso I don't intend to use supplements as a meal replacement Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samoan_muscle Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 I do eat food but I am a hard gainer! Hence I think those extra calories! And if you could tell me a better & practical method I will definitely try it! Eat more food...simple. Also I don't intend to use supplements as a meal replacementDo you regard your Mass Gainer powder as a supplement? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
samoan_muscle Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 Yes, I do but that doesn’t answer my question thanks! :naughty: So i take it the only real food you're eating is carbs and fats? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deepmen15 Posted December 16, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 Meal 1 (7 AM) 1-1/2 cups of dry oats mixed with water 1 banana5 egg white Supplements: • Fish oil• 1 tsp of Glutamine Meal 2 (10 AM) 100% on protein (1 scoop)Meal 3 (12 Noon) 1-1/2 cup of brown rice, or medium sized baked potato, or sweet potato Portion of chicken breast Meal 4 (3 PM)Fruit like apple , orangeMeal 5 (5:30 PM)1-1/2 cup of brown rice, or medium sized baked potato, or sweet potato 2 cups of green beans, broccoli or any other desired vegetable Portion of chicken breastPre-Workout Supplements (6:30 PM):100% on protein (1 scoop)Post Workout Supplements (8 – 8:15PM) – Have as soon as done w/ workout • 1 tsp Glutamine • Fish oil Meal 6 (8:30- 9 PM) 1/2 cup of cream of rice1 banana2 scoops of whey “Now that’s my diet and I have been patiently sticking on to it for about 6 months :doh: now but I have ended up loosing weight! lol On a serious note can I stick something into it?” Any suggestion is welcome though ... I need help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deepmen15 Posted December 16, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 Meal 6 is my latest addition for some weight gain! I have added this only 2 weeks back! :roll: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rose Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 :shock: Eat more food! How big are you? I'm presuming male? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deepmen15 Posted December 16, 2009 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 hmm 5'8" @ 69 kg......thats normal for my height and weight but i am not big lol :pfft: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThePman Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 Man you're complaining about gaining weight and there's shit in there like "5 egg whites" and "1 scoop of protein"? lol wutThat needs to be more like "6 eggs" or "three scoops of protein" or "2 large pizzas" because New Zealand larges are like a medium in America. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NZPT Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 swap your chicken to beef and what size in grams do you mean by portion. can you not eat a whole chicken breast?also for extra calories try a glass of milk at each meal.true what you mentioned about around 2 grams per pound but try get the majority of your protein from mean and eggs rather then powder.*this is general advice not related to your total calorie needs as we dont have enough info but this will help*NZPT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nate225 Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 The tragedy of threads like this is that many people take the advice as gospel. One example (and I'm not ripping off Ordy but it's appropriate to use him as an example as he's posting advice here).Ordy says 'take supplement x, it help me get x bigger'. What newbies don't see is this, and without personally attacking Ordy (who by his own accounts has made some good progress) would you really be asking him for advice on bulking? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rose Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 ... I need help You don't need a mass gainer. You need to eat more.Some quick wins, eat whole eggs, more carbs, protein at every meal (including meal 4) in the form of food not shakes. Eat nuts. Eat pizza. Eat anything. Your portion sizes sound small, chick diet small :shock: I suggest working out how many calories you need to eat to maintain your current size vs how many you are eating, then look to start adding in more food. There's some info in this thread here re calculating maintenance and food calories. Yeah it's boring shit, but working it out gives you a starting point. You want to grow? Work out how much you need to eat to grow. Either that or just stuff your face. Either way, eat more :grin: What kind of training are you doing? I hope you're are least doing the three main compound lifts, squats, deadlifts, bench press. If you're doing a lot of cardio, you may want to look at reducing it.Maybe start a new thread asking for training and diet advice rather than a mass gainer.Re inconvenience of food, you just have to be more prepared. Cook in advance, pre pack it, etc.Hope this helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ordy Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 I was 20KG lighter 2 years ago, i have pics but wont post them. (Ive been around this weight for 6 months now) Before i started any supplements I was stuck at 70-72 KG even after upping my food i was eating, I just couldnt eat anymore and thats where the supplements helped.I spend a lot of time researching supplements etc and testing them out to see what works and what doesn't. Im still gaining and most of what I've tested works well. I know im not huge but compared to what I was I am.Now Im on standard whey,as after adding oats and other carbs i was getting too much and wanted to up my protein amounts.Yeah true ….Mutant beats others on price …..But the nutrition content per serving for protein is 26 ….. Suppose I take a serving 3 times a day it kind of adds up to only 78 g of protein per day …. I currently weigh 140 lbs and ideally for bulking you need to consume at least 1-2 gm of protein per lbs of you body mass (please correct me if I am wrong)…. Which means by consuming mutant mass I would be falling short of my target protein consumption levels? :-s On the other hand serious mass and true mass has about 50 odd gm of protein per serving ( adds up to 150+ gm of protein)….the only draw back I can see is the price lol :oops: You get the rest of the protein etc from your food, these shakes are additional to food.With my work / lifestyle i cant eat good food all the time so I take shakes + they taste nice and are easy. Even if cost was an issue this stuff is cheap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ordy Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 1/2 a shake ? Between or with meals its still a full pint of milk (from my journals)I eat whenever i can, but my work is whenever its needed, i dont do 9-5 never will again.Topic: Best Mass gainers !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ThePman Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 These smaller guys don't understand what it means to truly eat themselves fat. All this "clean diet" stuff with eggs whites and oats and veggies, while being afraid to touch a cheeseburger or milk or a pizza covered in olive oil, just doesn't cut it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steak Posted December 16, 2009 Report Share Posted December 16, 2009 Agreed PMan :nod:Bang some good ole fashoined calories in! Im somewhat of an expert on adding mass :pfft: and to think that you are going to do it by adding shakes to your days food is wrong. These "mass gainer" shakes are only called mass gainer shakes cos they have a higher fat and/or carbohydrate content to them and therefore cannot be called "muscle gainer" shakes They are dietry supplement drinks with a protein content and whatever levels of fats, carbs and wonderous mind boggling ingredients added to them. I think of them as flavoured milk powder with extra protein and they are handy for topping up a meal or snack with but they are not the silver bullet or magic bean you are probably looking for to "gain mass" . I think of them as a 2-5% benefit to my regular tucker.However, with 6-10 meals added to your day (yes I know it sounds hard and many but do you really want "mass") you can stack on significant amounts of mass over time. You have to treat eating like a job, stick to the plan, eat the right foods and amounts (it doesn't have to be clean as a whistle all the time but the cleaner you keep it, the less fat you will have to burn off later) you can do it and it will become part of your lifestyle.If you really want mass then do the maths on your calorie needs, eat 500 above them EVERY day...this will keep you gaining but if you really want to stack it on eat a bit more "dirty" food and eat 1000 calories more than you need EVERY DAY and train hard with compound exercises. Forget the little shit you can do tricep kickbacks when your MASSive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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