jimmybro1 429 Report post Posted October 31, 2019 Anyone see the documentary on Netflix's ? Rather biased towards plant based, but still interesting especially around inflammation from animal proteins and influence on blood properties. Anyone with medical background to challenge findings from the information they presented in the documentary ? 1 gazza reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Daz69 411 Report post Posted October 31, 2019 45 minutes ago, jimmybro1 said: Anyone see the documentary on Netflix's ? Rather biased towards plant based, but still interesting especially around inflammation from animal proteins and influence on blood properties. Anyone with medical background to challenge findings from the information they presented in the documentary ? Recently watched, the data I have doesn't seem to support plant based only.. 1 gazza reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmybro1 429 Report post Posted November 3, 2019 On 10/31/2019 at 5:27 PM, Daz69 said: Recently watched, the data I have doesn't seem to support plant based only.. About to expand a little ? Ive done a plant based diet for about 6 months a couple years ago and recently started a flexible type of plant based diet. I believe I was consuming far to much animal proteins previously... as most young athletes do. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Daz69 411 Report post Posted November 4, 2019 8 hours ago, jimmybro1 said: About to expand a little ? Ive done a plant based diet for about 6 months a couple years ago and recently started a flexible type of plant based diet. I believe I was consuming far to much animal proteins previously... as most young athletes do. There seems to be a shift away from anything that induces a chronic release of insulin (insulinemia), high carbs and sugar are out as are some fruits, except berries.. (too many extreme athletes are presenting with metabolic syndrome due to high carb intake).. Fats are back in as the preferred energy source, and protein is lowered, as excess can produce glucose via gluconeogenesis.. Red meat is ok but lower dose advised due to TMAO.. Green leafy veggie intake is advise high for fiber (healthy gut microbiome)and nutritional content.. There is suggestion amino acid spectrum with plant based can be incomplete, or to derive at adequate daily protein allowance from plants increases daily calorie count too high.. The vegan lobby can be almost fanatical in their ideology, I don't doubt a mostly fresh, organic, plant based diet would be healthy, but with the inclusion of animal protein, but not high, just enough to get essential nutrients.. We are meat eaters, and have been for millions of years, meat determined our biology, we have a hydrochloric acid metabolism for digesting and breaking down meat.. I worked as an archaeologist for over 10 years, my soil samples from sites of habitation contained butchered animal bones, we ate meat.... The vegan lobby might argue we didn't or lie about our ancient history to suit their agenda, that in itself might explain a lot.. 1 2 gazza, Chemo and auck_builder reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
jimmybro1 429 Report post Posted November 4, 2019 14 hours ago, Daz69 said: There seems to be a shift away from anything that induces a chronic release of insulin (insulinemia), high carbs and sugar are out as are some fruits, except berries.. (too many extreme athletes are presenting with metabolic syndrome due to high carb intake).. Fats are back in as the preferred energy source, and protein is lowered, as excess can produce glucose via gluconeogenesis.. Red meat is ok but lower dose advised due to TMAO.. Green leafy veggie intake is advise high for fiber (healthy gut microbiome)and nutritional content.. There is suggestion amino acid spectrum with plant based can be incomplete, or to derive at adequate daily protein allowance from plants increases daily calorie count too high.. The vegan lobby can be almost fanatical in their ideology, I don't doubt a mostly fresh, organic, plant based diet would be healthy, but with the inclusion of animal protein, but not high, just enough to get essential nutrients.. We are meat eaters, and have been for millions of years, meat determined our biology, we have a hydrochloric acid metabolism for digesting and breaking down meat.. I worked as an archaeologist for over 10 years, my soil samples from sites of habitation contained butchered animal bones, we ate meat.... The vegan lobby might argue we didn't or lie about our ancient history to suit their agenda, that in itself might explain a lot.. Interesting the statement about sugars and fruits, I'm assuming the fruits and berries higher in fiber have less influence on release of insulin ? A balance is what I am going for, I have significantly reduced animal protein consumption to only make up about 20-30% for my daily calorific intake the remainder from plant based sources. Vegans are extremist activist, this is why I refer to it as plant based to avoid the association. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
auck_builder 8 Report post Posted December 12, 2019 On 04/11/2019 at 6:55 PM, Daz69 said: There seems to be a shift away from anything that induces a chronic release of insulin (insulinemia), high carbs and sugar are out as are some fruits, except berries.. (too many extreme athletes are presenting with metabolic syndrome due to high carb intake).. Fats are back in as the preferred energy source, and protein is lowered, as excess can produce glucose via gluconeogenesis.. Red meat is ok but lower dose advised due to TMAO.. Green leafy veggie intake is advise high for fiber (healthy gut microbiome)and nutritional content.. There is suggestion amino acid spectrum with plant based can be incomplete, or to derive at adequate daily protein allowance from plants increases daily calorie count too high.. The vegan lobby can be almost fanatical in their ideology, I don't doubt a mostly fresh, organic, plant based diet would be healthy, but with the inclusion of animal protein, but not high, just enough to get essential nutrients.. We are meat eaters, and have been for millions of years, meat determined our biology, we have a hydrochloric acid metabolism for digesting and breaking down meat.. I worked as an archaeologist for over 10 years, my soil samples from sites of habitation contained butchered animal bones, we ate meat.... The vegan lobby might argue we didn't or lie about our ancient history to suit their agenda, that in itself might explain a lot.. 👍👍👍👍👍 Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
Rick123 7 Report post Posted January 22, 2020 On 4/11/2019 at 6:55 PM, Daz69 said: There seems to be a shift away from anything that induces a chronic release of insulin (insulinemia), high carbs and sugar are out as are some fruits, except berries.. (too many extreme athletes are presenting with metabolic syndrome due to high carb intake).. Fats are back in as the preferred energy source, and protein is lowered, as excess can produce glucose via gluconeogenesis.. Red meat is ok but lower dose advised due to TMAO.. Green leafy veggie intake is advise high for fiber (healthy gut microbiome)and nutritional content.. There is suggestion amino acid spectrum with plant based can be incomplete, or to derive at adequate daily protein allowance from plants increases daily calorie count too high.. The vegan lobby can be almost fanatical in their ideology, I don't doubt a mostly fresh, organic, plant based diet would be healthy, but with the inclusion of animal protein, but not high, just enough to get essential nutrients.. We are meat eaters, and have been for millions of years, meat determined our biology, we have a hydrochloric acid metabolism for digesting and breaking down meat.. I worked as an archaeologist for over 10 years, my soil samples from sites of habitation contained butchered animal bones, we ate meat.... The vegan lobby might argue we didn't or lie about our ancient history to suit their agenda, that in itself might explain a lot.. Got evidence that non-refined carbs are bad? Got evidence that higher % fat calories as opposed to protein and carbs is the preferred energy source? Even though I think TMAO is inconclusive, I think legumes are a healthier option than meat. Got evidence of a plant that is missing an amino acid? 2.5k calories of pea protein, tofu, lentils, broccoli, sweet potato is 538g, 293g , 200g, 170g, 56gp protein respectfully. Just because historically we ate meat, doesn't mean it belongs in an optimum diet. I don't know about hydrochloric acid but it's solely for "digesting and breaking down meat"? Seems a bit dubious. To my knowledge there's no sole adaption we've made for eating meat.@jimmybro1 Dr Avi is a medical doctor but specialises in research. He has meticulously addressed each point in a recent "debunking" of the film. Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
knock knock 3 Report post Posted March 29, 2020 TMAO is just another pseudoscience vegan/PETA beat up. The highest sources of TMAO are in oily fish! Hmmmm Oily fish are known to be good for heart health! But if we isolate things in a petre dish we can show they are dangerous? See what oxygen does when isolated in lab conditions! Super toxic! Oxidative damge etc. Should we stop humans consuming oxygen then? Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
knock knock 3 Report post Posted March 29, 2020 Few points about the game changers: Plant protein is not nearly a bio-available as animal protein, That corn in your shit gave you nothing. The producer James Cameron has recently invested millions and millions of dollars into pea protein supplements #conflictofinterestmuch. Most of the athletes in the mockumentary are now performing at a lower lever, have got injured, or started eating meat again. There is no credible scientific evidence that meat is bad for you, weak epidemiology is not proof. Relative risk means nothing without absolute risk. Arnold still eats meat!!!!!!! Why would a human eat a diet that does not give them essential nutrients thus requires them to buy pharmaceuticals? i.e B12 EPA etc. Beta carotene is not vitamin A Long term vegan's usually have "bug eyes", it is real. Look at Wilks' eyes! Probably because you can't get collagen from plants. 1 nzpoontang reacted to this Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
knock knock 3 Report post Posted March 30, 2020 On 1/23/2020 at 1:38 AM, Rick123 said: Got evidence that non-refined carbs are bad? Got evidence that higher % fat calories as opposed to protein and carbs is the preferred energy source? Even though I think TMAO is inconclusive, I think legumes are a healthier option than meat. Got evidence of a plant that is missing an amino acid? 2.5k calories of pea protein, tofu, lentils, broccoli, sweet potato is 538g, 293g , 200g, 170g, 56gp protein respectfully. Just because historically we ate meat, doesn't mean it belongs in an optimum diet. I don't know about hydrochloric acid but it's solely for "digesting and breaking down meat"? Seems a bit dubious. To my knowledge there's no sole adaption we've made for eating meat.@jimmybro1 Dr Avi is a medical doctor but specialises in research. He has meticulously addressed each point in a recent "debunking" of the film. You're a deluded idiot! All randomised clinical trials have shown meat and animal fat are harmless, but vegans like to use epidemiology to deceive others into an ideological diet! Share this post Link to post Share on other sites
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