Nealyp Posted January 1, 2017 Report Share Posted January 1, 2017 Hi looking to run my .1st tren cycle and wanting some genuine feedback. Stats at mo are 5'10" 105kg and 16%bf training and cardio g2g and diet will be on point by a professions for this cycle wk1-10 test cyp or test e 250mg wk2-8 tren ace or e 400mg wk1-10 adex .5eod or ed if sides occur pinning tren and test together twice a week mon pm and thurs pm Not sure yet but poss adding winstrol from wk8 for 4wks? have clomid if req? how does this sound to you guys that have used a cycle like this?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratz99 Posted January 1, 2017 Report Share Posted January 1, 2017 2 hours ago, Nealyp said: Hi looking to run my .1st tren cycle and wanting some genuine feedback. Stats at mo are 5'10" 105kg and 16%bf training and cardio g2g and diet will be on point by a professions for this cycle wk1-10 test cyp or test e 250mg wk2-8 tren ace or e 400mg wk1-10 adex .5eod or ed if sides occur pinning tren and test together twice a week mon pm and thurs pm Not sure yet but poss adding winstrol from wk8 for 4wks? have clomid if req? how does this sound to you guys that have used a cycle like this?? 6 weeks isn't long enough for tren E. As far as I know. Sure for tren ace as it's short acting. Gainswood 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beefneggs Posted January 1, 2017 Report Share Posted January 1, 2017 Why does everyone justify their nutrition being on point for this cycle or a cycle- it should be on point all day errrry day. I would say f*ck the winny off - if you aint lean - it wont do jack. Ace is the best version Ive run . Good luck and dont kill your Mrs or neighbour - Im not joking , it might happen :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nealyp Posted January 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2017 Could run the tren longer but in slot of cases they state to run the test for 2-3 wks longer than the tren? perhaps i do 12 wks in total and run tren from wk2-10..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nealyp Posted January 1, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2017 Cheers for info i have heard it can make you agro winny was just a maybe thing happy to run without and see how it goes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwicannon Posted January 1, 2017 Report Share Posted January 1, 2017 Test pin x2 pr wk the Tren Ace needs to be shot EOD preferably ED Shouldn't need Adex with 250mg Test but everyone responds differently, like the fact you have on hand. Would run Test P with the Tren Ace if you can source it or else use the Test E with Tren E id run the Enans longer myself, be a nice short effective blast with the short esters but each to there own. Sounds solid mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nealyp Posted January 2, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 Thanks for your input kiwicannon do i need to start tren after test and also finish before test? If not then i could run both for 10 wks? wanted to pin just twice a wk as I'm not great with needles thats all so would it make a big difference to EOD? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Realtalk Posted January 2, 2017 Report Share Posted January 2, 2017 Use enanthate if you don't like shots. 2xpw for acetate is too infrequent. if you use acetate then no need to stop it before you end the test. I wouldn't stop the tren e before either since I'd be using less than the test amount. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brynn Posted January 3, 2017 Report Share Posted January 3, 2017 If possible you could use acetate for the first week to feel the sides and then use the enanthate for the majority but finishing off the cycle with the remaining tren-ace and test-prop so the sauce can clear out faster. For a easier/maybe shorter pct. However its up to the individual and everyone's different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ratz99 Posted January 3, 2017 Report Share Posted January 3, 2017 41 minutes ago, Brynn said: If possible you could use acetate for the first week to feel the sides and then use the enanthate for the majority but finishing off the cycle with the remaining tren-ace and test-prop so the sauce can clear out faster. For a easier/maybe shorter pct. However its up to the individual and everyone's different. Not bad idea. But for me I don't feel sides for at least a few weeks. But guess depends how much u shooting up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PETN Posted January 3, 2017 Report Share Posted January 3, 2017 With tren, irrespective of ester, I've always found effects are noticeable a lot sooner than with test. Tren is generally grossly overrated for what it does though, both desirable effects and psychological side effects. As realtalk said don't pin tren acetate less frequently than eod. I'd pin every day or not bother personally. And pin your test with the tren irrespective of the tests ester. Mix it in same syringe. No reason to be pinning tren e2d or ed and test less often like 2x pw. More stable blood levels and smaller volume per injection are both good Kalidane and Daz69 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nealyp Posted January 3, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 3, 2017 Thanks guys info has helped and reading different articles i think i may settle for a comfortable cycle for my 1st tren experience 1-8 test prop 250mg pw 1-8 tren a 400mg pw pinning both together EOD adex on hand if req PCT clomid oral day 1 100mg front load then 4wks at 40-60 per day starting 2days after last pin i may be playing this safe this time with low dosages compared to some on different forums but we are all different and respond in different ways cheers Realtalk and Brynn 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gainswood Posted January 4, 2017 Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 What are you going to do about progesterone? Eg caber? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Realtalk Posted January 4, 2017 Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 39 minutes ago, Gainswood said: What are you going to do about progesterone? Eg caber? Nothing. Is what I would do. beefneggs 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nealyp Posted January 4, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 4, 2017 If I run Adex or aromisin then thru my cycle the estrogen level will be taken care of then caber won't be needed plus I'm running a low dose so will be fine...... its a 50/50 on caber etc when running test some people some people don't... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gainswood Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 Good luck.avi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dreadmouse Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 6 hours ago, Nealyp said: If I run Adex or aromisin then thru my cycle the estrogen level will be taken care of then caber won't be needed plus I'm running a low dose so will be fine...... its a 50/50 on caber etc when running test some people some people don't... This is the same for me, i have run into progesterone issues before with my blood work, but controlling e2 while on tren means i don't have these issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nealyp Posted January 5, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 Cheers what does avi mean? keep e2 controlled the rest is sweet..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daz69 Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 9 hours ago, Gainswood said: What are you going to do about progesterone? Eg caber? Cabergoline works on prolactin, not progesterone... Gainswood 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gainswood Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 4 hours ago, Daz69 said: Cabergoline works on prolactin, not progesterone... f*ck I'm a pleb, is what I meant, delexia too strong, sorry boys Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daz69 Posted January 5, 2017 Report Share Posted January 5, 2017 16 hours ago, Dreadmouse said: This is the same for me, i have run into progesterone issues before with my blood work, but controlling e2 while on tren means i don't have these issues. It's generally agreed E2 should be controlled to inhibit gyno, more-so the A:E ratio in favour of androgens.. But there is a lot more going on, receptors for prolactin, progesterone, insulin-like growth factor (IGF) 1, IGF-2 and luteinizing hormone (LH) and/or human chorionic gonadotropin (hCG) have been found in male breast tissue.. We know both tren and nandrolone bind human progesterone receptors.. Estrogen increases the expression of IGF-1R in breast cancer cells, and might therefore enhance the action of IGF-1 in normal breast tissue.. Progesterone and IGF-1 might act synergistically to stimulate breast ductular growth and development.. Recent research has suggested Leptin might contribute to development of gyno by increasing expression of aromatase in adipose and/or breast tissue (leading to increased levels of estrogens and an altered androgen to estrogen ratio)... Gainswood 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwicannon Posted January 6, 2017 Report Share Posted January 6, 2017 Jesus Daz.....Laymans terms would probably help the majority of us lol Nealyp and Gainswood 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nealyp Posted January 6, 2017 Author Report Share Posted January 6, 2017 Wow now im really lost lol so are we in favour or caber or not? Chatting to a guy today about this issue he was saying hes never used it......running adex or aromasin was great for him....... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daz69 Posted January 6, 2017 Report Share Posted January 6, 2017 Don't use compounds you don't need, management of estrogen will generally take care of prolactin.. If symptoms of gyno persist with Tren', stop using it, or at least lower the dose.. kiwicannon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daz69 Posted January 6, 2017 Report Share Posted January 6, 2017 3 hours ago, kiwicannon said: Jesus Daz.....Laymans terms would probably help the majority of us lol There seems to be a lot more to mechanisms of gyno than we currently understand.. kiwicannon 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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