bang_bang Posted September 11, 2016 Report Share Posted September 11, 2016 I have a lump under my right nipple from my tren cycle which I'm going to try reverse with letro/nolva. The actual surface area of the nipple has increased slightly as well which I believe indicates its progesterone gyno. I did some research and as usual there's a 100 different opinions on the best way to go about it. Thought I'd start a thread to log my experience for interests sake as it may be of use to someone to in future. I'm going to use the below protocol simply because it worked for a good friend of mine. I will be running 250mg test eth throughout. Day 1-10 1.25mg letro ED Day 10-17 0.625mg letro ED Day 17-24 0.625mg letro EOD Day 25-55 20mg nolva ED Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PETN Posted September 12, 2016 Report Share Posted September 12, 2016 I've found for me gyno from tren seems to mostly disappear if I run test only. Run tren, nandrolone again and it comes back. Tried letro and it didn't seem to do heaps but from memory was still using tren at the time lol. Once I make a bit of money from my shares I'm just going to bite the bullet and pay the few thousand it costs to get glands fully removed. bang_bang 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bang_bang Posted September 12, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 12, 2016 2 hours ago, PETN said: I've found for me gyno from tren seems to mostly disappear if I run test only. Run tren, nandrolone again and it comes back. Tried letro and it didn't seem to do heaps but from memory was still using tren at the time lol. Once I make a bit of money from my shares I'm just going to bite the bullet and pay the few thousand it costs to get glands fully removed. I've been running 500mg test for 8 weeks and 50mg anadrol for 2 weeks since I stopped the tren and I haven't noticed a change, hopefully a lower dose of test will help as well. Might even go 125mg. Weren't you considering home job surgery at one point? lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PETN Posted September 12, 2016 Report Share Posted September 12, 2016 Was thinking about it but then decided the pain wouldn't be manageable enough with the drugs I had to enable it to be done neatly and ensure all gland material was removed. It's not that expensive I just can't do it with my job atm as there would be an unacceptably high risk of infection unless I took a couple months off or something. bang_bang 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bang_bang Posted September 13, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 Waiting for you to hit me with a knowledge bomb @Daz69 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrymundo Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 On Monday, September 12, 2016 at 5:13 PM, PETN said: Was thinking about it but then decided the pain wouldn't be manageable enough with the drugs I had to enable it to be done neatly and ensure all gland material was removed. It's not that expensive I just can't do it with my job atm as there would be an unacceptably high risk of infection unless I took a couple months off or something. Have you had a quote? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bang_bang Posted September 13, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 29 minutes ago, Terrymundo said: Have you had a quote? Shout us a vial of test and I'll do it. Bring a bottle of whiskey, craft knife and a needle and thread. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Realtalk Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 Waste of time the letro thing unless of course you are going to not get gyno again. So is surgery really unless you take steps to just not have estrogen that is through the roof. Sure you will get rid of the gland that the estrogen binds to so it'll be good cosmetically which is one thing but it doesn't mean you just don't have high estrogen anymore and it will just bind somewhere else. Kind of like ignoring the problem when the best way would be to manage your cycles better and know what you're doing so you can avoid it or at least control it properly so it doesn't become an eye sore. Anyway 2.5mg/day people go up to, to try get rid of it. some people say it's bs but it seems to work somewhat providing the lump is relatively new and not ancient. 2.5mg/day of that will put your bed ridden and make you feel so crap, ache and have the motivation of a 20 year beneficiarie. At least you have the nolva in there at the end, you've obviously done some reading. Will follow! bang_bang, HarryB and king 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrymundo Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 In my experience high dose letro (2.5mg ED) will remove the hard lumps and take away the sensitivity and puffiness but the demon is not vanquished. Since my first run in with gyno it's very temperamental and flares up with high doses and certain compounds (tren deca) and theb I'm back on the anti-estros and backing off my doses. So for me it's surgery or modest doses and AIs. Hope you get it sorted brah bang_bang 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bang_bang Posted September 13, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 I've had no issues with other compounds. I've run over a gram of deca/test/dbol with no issues so I'm hoping if I kill it then it won't come back provided I don't run tren again which I have no desire to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PETN Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 3 hours ago, Terrymundo said: Have you had a quote? No. Just looked at what some people on aus forums had paid and approximate prices that some clinics have on their websites. From memory looked like getting it done in aus would be typically around 4-8k including anaesthetic. Mines not bad anyway so it can wait for now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terrymundo Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 Doesn't sound any cheaper than here. Guess Thailand is still the best option Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PETN Posted September 13, 2016 Report Share Posted September 13, 2016 Nah it's probably not but that isn't exactly expensive. I'd rather spend the extra couple of grand than go there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daz69 Posted September 14, 2016 Report Share Posted September 14, 2016 On 13/09/2016 at 5:11 PM, bang_bang said: Waiting for you to hit me with a knowledge bomb @Daz69 Here's a recent paper that explains mechanisms of gyno and various treatments quite well... Gynecomastia: Etiology, Diagnosis, and Treatment Ronald S Swerdloff, M.D. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK279105/ bang_bang 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bang_bang Posted September 15, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2016 18 hours ago, Daz69 said: Here's a recent paper that explains mechanisms of gyno and various treatments quite well... Gynecomastia: Etiology, Diagnosis, and Treatment Ronald S Swerdloff, M.D. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/books/NBK279105/ Thanks Daz. 4 days in not sure if placebo but I reckon nipple is less sensitive and lump smaller. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bang_bang Posted September 19, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 19, 2016 1 week in. Nipple isn't all puffy anymore it just looks normal. Definitely not as sore either. Lump is still getting smaller. It was quite big so I expect it'll take awhile to go completely. Haven't really noticed any bad sides from the letro. Guess I feel pretty flat and motivation not great but still training. Sex drive gone down as well but not crashed completely. I've actually only pinned once in last 5 weeks so that's to be expected anyway. Decided I'm just gonna come off for awhile to freshen receptors then jump on a eq/test cycle. Pseudonym 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tboner Posted September 23, 2016 Report Share Posted September 23, 2016 Did you use a Liquid or a tablet letrozole? I'm scrambling at the moment to try and find some to replace the junk if got at present. Jimbosely and bang_bang 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bang_bang Posted September 23, 2016 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2016 Just read your thread that's hard luck man. I'm using liquid letro and nolva tabs. Someone on here will help you out Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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