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So I have torn my pec doing some incline barbell bench pressing. Was lifting 160kg at the time, on my 8th and last rep before I was going go up to 180kg for my last set.

Weight felt great, was flying up no problem - was very warmed up. Going two inches above my chest, not locking out - continuous tension. On the 8th rep, at the bottom, as I was pushing up I felt a spring / zap in my  right armpit and pec like I had been electrocuted or something and heard what sounded to me like a loud rip. Very weird strange feeling. Couldnt rerack the weight, passerby helped get it off me. 

 

Ultrasound has shown that I have 32 x 16 x 13 mm tear in the clavicular head of the right pectoralis muscle belly, approximately 10cm from the attachment of the tendon to the humerus. The tendon itself is intact as well as the long and short head of the biceps tendon. 

So basically what I have is what appears to be a very large muscle belly tear.

 

 

Does anyone have experience with muscle belly tears and how long they take to heal? And what can I do in the meantime to not turn into a fat piece of shit. 

I am still waiting for the orthopedics opinion but at this stage it does not look like they will operate and instead leave it to heal by itself. 

Apparently muscle belly tears are quite hard to stitch back together, muscle does not stitch back together well. Muscle on tendon does, or bone but not muscle on muscle. 

 

I have alot of swelling in my right pec as well as a large amount of bruising covering the inside of my bicep which is normal.

With the swelling it is hard to determine what the tear looks like aesthetically. 

Injured it on Thursday last week, the swelling and bruising is starting to come down a little.    

 

I have full ROM in my arm, albeit with some soreness and tightness. More from the bruising and swelling than the tear itself I think. 

 

I plan on dropping my calories down a fair bit and doing some cardio to try and keep tight but is it safe to do other body parts in a few weeks like legs and back?

This is my first major injury experience. 

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The good news is the tendon is intact! That's definitely a bonus as muscle heals a lot quicker than tendon, which almost certainly requires surgery.

Bad news is you'll probably end up with a nice hole or flat spot where it tore - shit happens it's definitely not bad in the scheme of things.

When I tore my patella tendons I was told that going on AAS would be detrimental as the increased muscle bulk would put extra pressure on the healing tendons. In your case the enhanced nitrogen levels / recovery offered by AAS to skeletal muscle might help speed things up. Ask your surgeon, though he probably wont recommend it he might give you an honest answer! :)

I'd recommend finding a top sports physio, they should be able to give you the best way to actively promote recovery without damaging it further.

 

Best of luck healing up.

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7 hours ago, DIANABOL said:

So I have torn ety pec doing sisme inclineinitarbell bench pressing. Was lifting 160kg at the time, on my 8th and last rep before I was going go up to 180kg for my last set.

Weight felt great, was flying up no problem - was very warmed up. Going two inches above my chest, not locking out - continuous tension. On the 8th rep, at the bottom, as I was pushing up I felt a spring / zap in my  right armpit and pec like I had been electrocuted or something and heard what sounded to me like a loud rip. Very weird strange feeling. Couldnt rerack the weight, passerby helped get it off me. 

 

Ultrasound has shown that I have 32 x 16 x 13 mm tear in the clavicular head of the right pectoralis muscle belly, approximately 10cm from the attachment of the tendon to the humerus. The tendon itself is intact as well as the long and short head of the biceps tendon. 

So basically what I have is what appears to be a very large muscle belly tear.

 

 

Does anyone have experience with muscle belly tears and how long they take to heal? And what can I do in the meantime to not turn into a fat piece of shit. 

I am still waiting for the orthopedics opinion but at this stage it does not look like they will operate and instead leave it to heal by itself. 

Apparently muscle belly tears are quite hard to stitch back together, muscle does not stitch back together well. Muscle on tendon does, or bone but not muscle on muscle. 

 

I have alot of swelling in my right pec as well as a large amount of bruising covering the inside of my bicep which is normal.

With the swelling it is hard to determine what the tear looks like aesthetically. 

Injured it on Thursday last week, the swelling and bruising is starting to come down a little.    

 

I have full ROM in my arm, albeit with some soreness and tightness. More from the bruising and swelling than the tear itself I think. 

 

I plan on dropping my calories down a fair bit and doing some cardio to try and keep tight but is it safe to do other body parts in a few weeks like legs and back?

This is my first major injury experience. 

 

Tore L pectoral muscle 1998, was Informed by "specialist" It would heal Itself with 98-99% function and strength returned..

What a crock of shit..!!!!!

I have been left with a hideaus Indentation from central pec to under armpit..

 

If at all possible Insist on surgery... It likely wont heal by Itself without the tissue being stitched together... There Is a special technique called surgical cross stitch, where deep stitch Into the muscle Is followed by a further stitch across the upper fibres, when the stitch Is tightened It pulls both the deep muscle tissue together as well as the upper layer together.. Its cool to watch..

Ill come and show him If he says It cant be done..

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I tore my outer quad in the early 90's playing rugby and at the time was told it would heal itself but nup, had a 4cm hole ever since. Don't really see it until after a leg workout then it fills with fluid and looks like I've got half a tennis ball under the skin.

It doesn't bother me but other people do notice it at times. But then again I've never been interested in being on stage - you maybe tho so you might want to push to have it repaired.

All the best whichever way you go

 

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Very interesting and thanks for sharing. I hope your recovery is going well.

 

Any updates @DIANABOL?

 

Daz69's advice is great. I'd guess that you would need to get that surgery right after the injury happened, before the muscle starts healing/retracting...

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Hey guys sorry for the late reply. 

I've seen two orthopedic surgeons and both have told me that it would be best just leaving it to heal by itself. 

I raised the issue you pointed out Daz but one in particular did not agree - used the sewing steak together example.

 

Apparently I can start training chest again after 6 weeks - light and just easing into it. 

Probably do some ART on it at the same time. 

 

Ive been doing back, delts, legs and arms all ok. Did some really light chest work on it yesterday with some bands and 10kg dumbells and it felt ok. 

 

Really not to sure what Im doing so would be interested in others experiences as far as working their way back from a pec tear.  

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If it's an intramuscular tear and not a very big one then they aren't going to operate. If it was the tendon then yeah. Course, but it's not and its not deformed so why would they. You will have scare tissue if they operate and you'll have scare tissue if they don't. How much scar tissue you have at the end of it depends how well your recovery goes and how well the rehab is done. Which are both in your control. If you do nothing then it will heal badly and scar tissue is weak which will result in it probably tearing again. If you do the recover properly so stretch it and have physio or whoever work on on it then there is no reason why it can't be as good as before you did it eventually. The rehab is the most important part once the initial period is over which would be about 6 weeks of no loading on it. Once this is over you want to bring the grip right in and build the load up over different range of motions, the bench assistant gear is really good to use for this too like a ram or a slingshot etc. then you have the bench bench boards like a 1board, 2board, 3board. These sit on top of your chest and you bring the bar down to the height and bench off it this lessens the ROM. So for example start on the 3 board and week one session 1 might be 60kg for 3 sets of 10, week one session 2 might be 3 board 90kg with the slingshot 3 sets of 10. Then the second week you add 10kg to each. 3 weeks later you would ditch the 3 board and move to the 2 board and start again so drop the weight but increase the rom and build it up over 3 or 4 weeks then again 1 board and start again. Then I would go raw on the one board and full rom in the slingshot. Eventually before doing a full rom bench press again and I started at 40kg after all that work and raised it 10kg a week. There is no rush if you feel like you need longer at a weight do 2 weeks on it before you raise it. Stretching is so important too. Mentally its really hard too because you are always worried about it going again. I tore mine very similar to what you did on a set of 180kg then 3 weeks later retore it at a Comp on 205kg.

 

It's a long road but do it once do it right. good luck bro.

 

 

 

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As for other exercises I would do some light incline DB press with palms facing in and keeping the DB path vertical in a straight line and keeping in close to your body. I would do some light machine flyes or DB flyes which we are talking 2 or 3 kg and build that up very slowly. I would do about 5 rounds of the machine flye, incline db, flat DB flye as a circuit to warm up before I would begin the bench press rehab. I was very cautious with mine and very much took my time. Even now on my bench press days I will do a DB warm up before I get on the bench press where before I would use the bench to warm up for the bench. I'm essentially doing two warm ups now, one to get the muscles and tendons warm and the other to warm up the movement. And before I would take 40kg jumps in wright on the bench now I will do more reps taking 10 or 20kg jumps to get to the desired weight. So it's always still on my mind but  it's good to be over cautious and have it in the back of your mind I feel. The pain wasn't too bad even though it wasn't nice. But the amount of time and patients to get it good again is the thing I don't want to go through again.

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Tb500 generally would get good results but it's a mixed bag because with peptides you never exactly know what you're getting. If the tear is near healed then the peptides are just a waste you need them right at the start imo. I would be getting intensive treatment on the scar tissue, massage both sides and make sure you look after your internal rotation mobility and strength.

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2 hours ago, Realtalk said:

Tb500 generally would get good results but it's a mixed bag because with peptides you never exactly know what you're getting. If the tear is near healed then the peptides are just a waste you need them right at the start imo. I would be getting intensive treatment on the scar tissue, massage both sides and make sure you look after your internal rotation mobility and strength.

 

May differ for tendon tears, my specialist said to avoid the TB500 initially as I needed the inflammation to heal the reattaching tendons. I guess where the primary factor is not reattaching the muscle to the bone it's not the same focus.

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12 hours ago, Daz69 said:

 

Don't waste your money...

 

Please explain? Good feedback out there on BPC157 & TB500?

 

No doubt in my anecdotal mind regarding HGH after my quad tendon tears. Surgeons were always surprised at my speedy recovery, months ahead of schedule.

 

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4 hours ago, nate225 said:

 

Please explain? Good feedback out there on BPC157 & TB500?

 

No doubt in my anecdotal mind regarding HGH after my quad tendon tears. Surgeons were always surprised at my speedy recovery, months ahead of schedule.

 

 

Hi Nate.. I looked into it quite extensively regards my quad tear, and recently received feedback from guys at work..

 

Those that sell BPC157 & TB500 would have you believe they work, but results seem a bit mixed tbh. And particularly not synthetic GH (which like some AAS appears to accelerate wrong kind of collagen deposition/make repair thick but brittle). 

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18 hours ago, nate225 said:

Looks like surface bruising from a bench shirt! Probably hear or feel it if you tore something 

 

Never used a shirt and I felt it. Anyway it's obviously minor whatever it is so I'll just go easy on bench for awhile. 

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22 hours ago, bang_bang said:

Is that a small pec tear or bicep? Did it while benching the other day. 

 

 

That's what mine looked like...

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