buffy Posted July 15, 2016 Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 Hi Guys, im just about to start my third cycle, my first two cycles I ran just test E, 500mg a week for 12 weeks. Got some awesome results, the only downside is it felt like I didn't get noticeable gains till about week 5-6 So was wondering what anyone would recommend to be a good kick start, have be told DBOL, but be interested to hear what others think. Thanks for any tips or advise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwicannon Posted July 15, 2016 Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 Test E, Deca, Dbol excellent mass builder, You could front load with Test Prop the first two weeks along side the Dbol for 4-6 weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody Posted July 15, 2016 Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 what do you want from the cycle,what are your stats,hard to answer with so little info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffy Posted July 15, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 Im looking at putting on mass this time round, then planning on cutting on the last 3-4 weeks currently am 5'8 75kg 18 percent body fat (haven't been training, just trying to bulk up before next cycle) normal body weight sits around 65-70kg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffy Posted July 15, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 also only looking to add one steroid with the test as this is only my 3rd cycle so slowly just add one at a time to see how my body reacts to each. anyone think maybe just test P to get the gains started then follow through with test e? maybe finish off with a cutting agent like winny? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody Posted July 15, 2016 Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 alot of options,id suggest a simple test e /deca cycle.wouldnt try to bulk and cut in one cycle,go all out for mass leave the cutting for at least a few months after end of cycle.have found if you try to drop that extra few kgs of b/f you add on a bulk cycle to soon you just end up losing to much of your actual gains.just look to maintain that added weight after cycle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PETN Posted July 15, 2016 Report Share Posted July 15, 2016 Test e only Weeks 1-4, 375mg/week Weeks 5-8, 625mg/week Weeks 9-12, 875mg/week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffy Posted July 16, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2016 Ok all sounds good, thanks for your guys advise, PETN, ive already done just test E cycles, and the problem is i dont seem to get any results or notice anything until half way through my cycle which is why im wanting something to help kick start the Test e, if that makes sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daz69 Posted July 16, 2016 Report Share Posted July 16, 2016 24 minutes ago, buffy said: Ok all sounds good, thanks for your guys advise, PETN, ive already done just test E cycles, and the problem is i dont seem to get any results or notice anything until half way through my cycle which is why im wanting something to help kick start the Test e, if that makes sense. Once you inject your body starts to respond, it might not be obvious at first but it's happening, hormones act slowly.. Remember, once you stop injecting the action will continue for several weeks after cessation, you can't have it both ways... You could double the dose first 2 pins (front load), or add orals, but both come with the possibility of initiating side effects sooner than if you had you built up slowly... A good mass builder is test-deca-dbol-oxymetholone... buffy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PETN Posted July 16, 2016 Report Share Posted July 16, 2016 5 hours ago, buffy said: Ok all sounds good, thanks for your guys advise, PETN, ive already done just test E cycles, and the problem is i dont seem to get any results or notice anything until half way through my cycle which is why im wanting something to help kick start the Test e, if that makes sense. What's the hurry? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffy Posted July 16, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2016 hurry..... i only do a cycle once a year..... so its already been 3 years... so figured its now time to add to the mix. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PETN Posted July 17, 2016 Report Share Posted July 17, 2016 No I meant why can't you wait 3-4 weeks or whatever for it to become noticeable and run a longer cycle. You're going to notice f*ck all difference with prop as most of the reason you don't notice much for few weeks with test e isn't to do with the time taken for it to cleave from the ester. It's what happens after that. buffy 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiwicannon Posted July 17, 2016 Report Share Posted July 17, 2016 4 hours ago, PETN said: No I meant why can't you wait 3-4 weeks or whatever for it to become noticeable and run a longer cycle. You're going to notice f*ck all difference with prop as most of the reason you don't notice much for few weeks with test e isn't to do with the time taken for it to cleave from the ester. It's what happens after that. Shit the bed!! I didn't think of it that way PETN! Light bulb moment, been stuck in my ways for too long i think. Will Save me a shit ton of Prop...... and PIP lol Not sure why people run 12week cycles when running Test E? i prefer to run at least 16weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffy Posted July 17, 2016 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2016 That is a good point PETN, maybe i should just look at doing a 16week cycle and start taking it 4weeks ahead of schedule that way i get the best of both worlds. start hitting peaks when i need it most. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody Posted July 23, 2016 Report Share Posted July 23, 2016 d/bol for me even at a low 20mgs does the trick.realize its only a mental edge i get from it..but seeing an almost instant size increase,even if it is only fluid.,and some good strength gains does alot formotavation .if nothing else.as for the test i keep the dose the same for as long as the gains continue,then as much as double it for the rest of the cycle,dont usually even put a time limit on the cycle.it ends when the gains stop.which is very rarely over 16 weeks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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