Prescription medication for personality

[MiltonFriedman01]

Sorry about the vague title.

 

I wanted to start a conversation about peoples experiences of prescription medication for the purpose of changing their behaviour or personality. I have a very easily addicted personality to the point where I have been extremely focused on many things throughout my life including cycling, weight lifting, endocrinology, economics, politics, nutrition, etc to the point where I almost can't function without something to focus on to an obsessive degree. I like my personality to an extent however find it extremely difficult to relax and also find myself almost unable to laugh at what would normally be an amusing situation. I feel like the years of intense exercise and social restriction from a young age have effected my already genetic unique personality in a negative way to the extent that I even struggle to get aroused anymore (although Trt/gear use does help to some extent). 

 

I would be keen to know more about possible medications that could help me relax in the right context, however would prefer something that has a shorter half life and allows me to remain in control as I don't want to become lazy or oblivious to the things that are important. My gp is keen to work with me to find a suitable medication and told me to think about it over the weekend. I am unsure if medical cannabis is legally allowed for such a purpose or if it would even be suitable. I was forced onto anti depressants a few years ago and found these to be a waste of time. I have seen a number of therapists and CBT specialists, however also found these to be rather pointless after the initial placebo benefit. Not sure what else to try, however don't want to go into using any medication suggested blind so if anyone has tried anything that positively effected them psychologically I would be keen to hear about your experience. 

 

 

[Realtalk]

Dude your gp sounds like a piece of shit doping you up and allowing you to suggest medication for him to prescribe to you. I think you probably just need to take a good look at yourself and want to change.

 

How old are you?

[MiltonFriedman01]

He hasn't put anything in my head, perhaps I implied this in the way I framed my question. He also didn't ask me to suggest anything, I just wanted to get an idea the types of medications used for such a purpose. It is not for a lack of want to change, I simply just find it difficult to relax to some extent. I am not depressed or in any way self loathing, I am just aware of my personality which is in some way genetic. I don't oppose drug use, a huge % of New Zealand use alcohol in a social context to relax (I don't and never have been into drinking) should these people assess their use of alcohol? It is ultimately up to them what they consume, just like over the course of history people have used alcohol, weed, opioids, etc for the same purpose. 

 

I am a very driven individual, am not anti social, I have simply always had issues with relaxing. Why is it wrong of me to want to try a medication for this purpose? 

 

I am 24, it is not an age thing it is just my personality which as I said it at least in someway genetic (Look up Biosocial genetics, biosocial criminology, behavioural genetics, etc). Genetic applications are many years off and the only other options would be therapy which I have found largely pointless or medication. I don't believe in the whole ADHD hype nor do I want to come across as a weak minded individual as I am perfectly functional in my current state as I am able read huge volumes of information, work a challenging role, study part time and compete in sport while having a social life to some extent. However I can see room for improvement that I have found to be difficult to change from conscious decision (not impossible) so would be keen to know how drugs can help. You and many of people on this forum use gear for a similar purpose, because you want to achieve something that is either very hard naturally or not possible without drugs. 

 

Hopefully that clears up a few things. 

[PETN]

Morphine pills go alright. Dunno first hand about the long term effects of use but you definitely feel pretty good for a few hours.

[MiltonFriedman01]

Haha, reminds me of a conversation i had with a senior medical officer about the problem with young doctors stealing morphine (injectable i think) from the hospital store rooms which led them to require two keys to open the drug cabinets in numerous hospitals or giving the keys to senior nurses who were less likely to steal said morphine hahaha.

 

Unfortunately I don't think I trust non prescription sources of morphine nor do I think I would get prescribed this by any gp anywhere in the country (well maybe a few, but those are rare). Plus I believe morphine is quite addictive so probably not the best idea.

[HarryB]

I have an adult adhd personality and relaxing. .well not having something going on in my head is an impossibility. Focusing on one thing for a period of time makes me want to shoot myself sometimes. I used to assume this was the case for everyone but I realize now it isn't. It's probably why I enjoy training as much as I do  its exhausting and for the time I'm training I'm not thinking about too many things. I wouldn't medicate though. Sometimes what you find annoying is useful. I'm able to have multiple things happening concurrently and I keep track quite easily. I am a jack of all trades and literally a master of none. I'm sure this is the case for loads of people, I'm not sure how anyone focuses on one thing at a time like some kind of automaton. I simply can't do it and I gave up trying. I do know when I don't have things keeping me occupied then I have a tendency to drink as a way of switching off so I can sleep and I get depressed as f*ck. I don't think that's an uncommon thing though is it? Anyone else want a bourbon? 

[MiltonFriedman01]

2 hours ago, HarryB said:

I have an adult adhd personality and relaxing. .well not having something going on in my head is an impossibility. Focusing on one thing for a period of time makes me want to shoot myself sometimes. I used to assume this was the case for everyone but I realize now it isn't. It's probably why I enjoy training as much as I do  its exhausting and for the time I'm training I'm not thinking about too many things. I wouldn't medicate though. Sometimes what you find annoying is useful. I'm able to have multiple things happening concurrently and I keep track quite easily. I am a jack of all trades and literally a master of none. I'm sure this is the case for loads of people, I'm not sure how anyone focuses on one thing at a time like some kind of automaton. I simply can't do it and I gave up trying. I do know when I don't have things keeping me occupied then I have a tendency to drink as a way of switching off so I can sleep and I get depressed as f*ck. I don't think that's an uncommon thing though is it? Anyone else want a bourbon? 

 

Absolutely agree and as I said I love the fact that I am always looking for stimulation or the ability to learn from conversations I have with others. I think what spurred me to ask this question and why my GP may be suggesting medical treatment is more because of the social outcomes for people who struggle to switch off in social contexts. My gp can see the extent to which my personality is resulting in social isolation and personal distress as humans are social creatures. It is not so much that I dislike who I am but that I would like the ability to turn off for short periods without alcohol.  

 

To be honest a large percentage of the population struggles to have a discussion about complex or confronting topics like economics, politics, or pretty much anything other then sport, the weather, politically correct bullshit or the latest Television show/movie. Even within an office job people are borderline anti discussion, especially if they take offence at something you say, to the point where now I am considering to use medication to relax for short periods rather then put up with social isolation at work or in community groups just because of others being unable to form a decent argument.

 

Look at all the young men avoiding saying something that could even be perceived as "Sexiest" like presenting the facts about "the gender wage gap" or the % of women who commit domestic violence against their children. You can't even talk about immigration or the like with most young people anymore, they either turn off or call you racist for presenting the facts about the topic. What the f*ck has happened to society? When did people become so weak minded to the point where it is easier to suppress the truth then present it? 

 

Drives me fuckin insane and is why I am keen to change career or at least find a job within a company who promotes rationality and civil debate about confronting topics rather then some collectivist policy. A policy that prevents people being held accountable for their mistakes,  promotes health and safety policies designed for the lowest common denominator rather then common fuckin sense, and allows people to shut you up (with an official warning by the HR department or head office) just for presenting the facts about why "the gender wage gap" is bullshit or simply for offending someone by describing the distribution of intelligence among the population. 

 

I remember reading a forum many years ago run by English immigrants that had moved to New Zealand many years earlier and they talked about Kiwi's being anti intellectual.  At the time I wasn't sure what they meant but now I realize what they meant and why it's not just New Zealanders, I think its a large % of the population in many western countries, especially those with British/European roots. Those who have been indoctrinated in the views pushed by government schools and had never confronted what had been taught or more importantly never sort out the information which had been left out. As Mark Twain was quoted as saying "I never let my schooling interfere with my education" and "It is easier to fool someone then convince them they have been fooled". 

 

It has been almost 10 year since Milton Friedman's death and what has the world learnt? Sweet f*ck all, in fact people now believe capitalism is "evil" and marxism is the trendy new topic in political science. I almost wish I could turn back the clock and just continue studying towards a degree in nutrition with the hope of becoming a dietitian, as a clueless young man before I was introduced to the the writings of Friedrich Hayek, Milton Friedman, plato and many more.

 

 

[HarryB]

Lol so you essentially have taken on the thoughts of a bunch of other people.. interesting. Collectively I don't believe we are as a society anti intellectual but what we are is anti confrontation. The things you say people don't want to have open discussion about are very divisive topics and are actually not topics for everyday chit chat or water cooler conversation. There is always a forum for a person to express and discuss their views but with certain topics most people keep what they think pretty close to their chest. Mostly because they don't want to change their minds and aren't particularly interested in listening to someone else's opinion. Or because they know their opinion is not pc and don't want to put energy into the exhausting process of trying to explain their viewpoint to someone who isn't going to see it how they do anyway. 

 

[woody]

10 hours ago, PETN said:

Morphine pills go alright. Dunno first hand about the long term effects of use but you definitely feel pretty good for a few hours.

ive been prescibied a low dose methodone dose for pain releif,and been on the drug for nearly ten years now,im very reluctant to stop taking this med because of the welcomed side similar to what your talking about,after many years of mild anxiety and an non ability to relax,this pain releif med seemed to do both very well.

[MiltonFriedman01]

4 hours ago, HarryB said:

Lol so you essentially have taken on the thoughts of a bunch of other people.. interesting. Collectively I don't believe we are as a society anti intellectual but what we are is anti confrontation. The things you say people don't want to have open discussion about are very divisive topics and are actually not topics for everyday chit chat or water cooler conversation. There is always a forum for a person to express and discuss their views but with certain topics most people keep what they think pretty close to their chest. Mostly because they don't want to change their minds and aren't particularly interested in listening to someone else's opinion. Or because they know their opinion is not pc and don't want to put energy into the exhausting process of trying to explain their viewpoint to someone who isn't going to see it how they do anyway. 

 

That doesn't make sense to me as if you are only going to seek out things that confirm your own beliefs then that person is extremely short sighted and not going to grow much as a person. Hell I remember discussing protein intake with nutrition researchers and was very defensive of high protein intakes until one of those researchers walked me through the large body of research both practical and theoretical at which point I changed my view on the subject.

 

In regards to taking on the thoughts of others, it is particularly difficult in the modern world not to do this.... Where do your beliefs about training, nutrition, diet, exercise, drug use, pct, etc come from? Surely not all from personal experience, in fact the ability to learn from others mistakes or work is one of the reasons we have such complicated fields like engineering and medicine. Personal experience can only get you so far.  What could be more important to discuss and educate yourself and others on then politics, the economy, and the like? The few topics which effect everyone in society. Go back and watch the debates that the left and right use to have 50 years ago, hardly unproductive in comparison to the types of conversations most people par take in today. 

 

Anyway in regards to the topic, I will look into methodone thanks Woody. Just out of curiosity would it show up on random drug tests? I have to go to a number of work sites from time to time which can often result in random drug testing. Obviously I can get a medical waiver but lets be honest that doesn't prevent people from forming a preconceived idea about you for using something like methodone. 

[train hard]

have a joint kick back and chill the fuk out. Probably a lot safer then all these prescription pill alternatives

 

* I am not a qualified health professional and know nothing about what you are experencing

[HarryB]

OK gyzz... 

[maccaz]

Blatant gyzz 

[Realtalk]

its methadone not methodone. It's a synthetic opioid used to treat herion addiction and other such addictions. It's just a method of controlling sack of shit drug addicts who cause trouble. Waste of tax money cause most of them just abuse it and take other drugs anyway. No you Won't pass an employment drug test because it is basically an opioid and is in your urine for 3-4 days.

[MiltonFriedman01]

1 hour ago, Realtalk said:

its methadone not methodone. It's a synthetic opioid used to treat herion addiction and other such addictions. It's just a method of controlling sack of shit drug addicts who cause trouble. Waste of tax money cause most of them just abuse it and take other drugs anyway. No you Won't pass an employment drug test because it is basically an opioid and is in your urine for 3-4 days.

 

 

Thought so. I do find the history of opioid drugs very interesting though, to do with the British and their conflicts with China over the sale of opioids in China. 

 

Well Pharmac's drug schedule is a waste of time (http://www.pharmac.govt.nz/2016/06/01/Schedule.pdf#page=2) Doesn't even include all imported medications. Seems like the broader term for behavioural medication are anti anxiety medication and anti depressants, neither of which is of use to be honest, partly because I don't buy that they actually work but rather just suppress behaviour. 

 

Wonder if things like MDMA, oxitriptan or the like are prescribed?  I would be pretty keen to at least try one of them to see if It is what I am looking for. Don't want to become addicted or dysfunctional, more just for relaxation. 

[PETN]

Probably have more luck asking on tripme than on here

[HarryB]

It would seem you're already dysfunctional and crippled by indecision and/or lack of commitment to choosing a specific path. Also a pathological liar creating multiple co-existing personalities. I wonder who's in charge today? 

[MiltonFriedman01]

On 6/6/2016 at 10:43 AM, HarryB said:

It would seem you're already dysfunctional and crippled by indecision and/or lack of commitment to choosing a specific path. Also a pathological liar creating multiple co-existing personalities. I wonder who's in charge today? 

 

Santa Claus :D 

 

Not multiple personalities, however the high prolactin levels did seem to f*ck with my mind for sure, however I do have a base level of insanity (self admitted).  Very unique combination of genetics (pretty sure my farther went through a similar thing, but at a later stage in life), upbringing, lifestyle, particular hormone levels at the time (Prolactin really seems to f*ck with my mind), and the fact that I actually want something to use (bias?) other then alcohol. 

 

I am pretty sure I will be prescribed adderall by my GP after speaking with them today over the phone before my consultation next week, not sure if it will be of benefit, however worth a go.

 

Don't believe in multiple personalities, I am just fuckin insane and don't like remaining silent because of the fear of judgement.  

[durianrider]

You sound like you typing on pingers already haha.

Im 42. Best thing for guys like you is TOTAL sobrietary for a few years. No caffeine, no pills etc. Just carbs, early nights and lots of sun and water! :)

[auck_builder]

CBD oil and have a couple tokes in the evening. 

 

If you need TRT then use it.

 

No porn. No alcohol. No hard drugs or painkillers. 

 

Eat real food. f*ck carbs - try steak and veges don't listen to nut bag vegans trying to give you cancer and diabetes along with vitamin and mineral deficiencies.