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hey guys

 

bit of an odd topic for a lifting forum lol, most people i guess worried about having bigorexia but i think about time i acknowledge i might have an eating disorder or something to that effect.

 

have avoided the subject for the longest time by blaming it on bad digestive system or whatever but about time i just face it i think because i want this year to tackle this issue and be the biggest yr of fkin gains ever. dont get me wrong, im counting my cals and forcing things in, if i vom i make sure i replace those cals but its things like this that make me think i have a problem :

  • very rarely feel truly hungry, can usually get by an entire day not thinking about eating
  • often if i see or smell food (regardless of what it is) i get urge to throw up
  • even if i do encounter that rare feeling of being hungry, when i try to eat its difficult to force in much food before stomach seems to put up the great wall of china
  • social eating situations really awkward and hard to hide my problem, mid meal ill often have to gap the scene to 'go toilet' and throw up , kinda feels like i need to burp but when i burp its an explosive impulse from my stomach
  • have seen 3 GPs about this couple yrs ago but because i was maintaining a healthy weight (even tho id lost my gym gains) they didnt care to take it further unless i fell below the healthy level in BMI

 

not really sure what to do, who to go see. bit embarassed dont really want to go see some psychiatrist who will just put me on meds. i have been gaining so far since getting back in to lifting this yr but been in same situation in past where i make awesome gains then through some subconscious level i start rejecting food and lose everything, its fkin depressing. im getting paranoid its gonna start happening again , .  on a concious level i have no issues with my body image, in fact i would love to be bigger rather than smaller so this doesn't really fit the description of anorexia at all but my relationship with food just isn't healthy.

 

 

TLDR : I force in my cals to make sure i get in what i need to but its way more work than it should be and half the time i'm throwing up / holding in urges to throw up. regardless of how bloated i feel, can wake up early mornings feel like not eating,  all kinds of random unrelated timings. anyone suffered from or known someone who had this and know how to fix?

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6 hours ago, FellowshipOfTheRon said:

hey guys

 

bit of an odd topic for a lifting forum lol, most people i guess worried about having bigorexia but i think about time i acknowledge i might have an eating disorder or something to that effect.

 

have avoided the subject for the longest time by blaming it on bad digestive system or whatever but about time i just face it i think because i want this year to tackle this issue and be the biggest yr of fkin gains ever. dont get me wrong, im counting my cals and forcing things in, if i vom i make sure i replace those cals but its things like this that make me think i have a problem :

  • very rarely feel truly hungry, can usually get by an entire day not thinking about eating
  • often if i see or smell food (regardless of what it is) i get urge to throw up
  • even if i do encounter that rare feeling of being hungry, when i try to eat its difficult to force in much food before stomach seems to put up the great wall of china
  • social eating situations really awkward and hard to hide my problem, mid meal ill often have to gap the scene to 'go toilet' and throw up , kinda feels like i need to burp but when i burp its an explosive impulse from my stomach
  • have seen 3 GPs about this couple yrs ago but because i was maintaining a healthy weight (even tho id lost my gym gains) they didnt care to take it further unless i fell below the healthy level in BMI

 

not really sure what to do, who to go see. bit embarassed dont really want to go see some psychiatrist who will just put me on meds. i have been gaining so far since getting back in to lifting this yr but been in same situation in past where i make awesome gains then through some subconscious level i start rejecting food and lose everything, its fkin depressing. im getting paranoid its gonna start happening again , .  on a concious level i have no issues with my body image, in fact i would love to be bigger rather than smaller so this doesn't really fit the description of anorexia at all but my relationship with food just isn't healthy.

 

 

TLDR : I force in my cals to make sure i get in what i need to but its way more work than it should be and half the time i'm throwing up / holding in urges to throw up. regardless of how bloated i feel, can wake up early mornings feel like not eating,  all kinds of random unrelated timings. anyone suffered from or known someone who had this and know how to fix?

 

This is not anorexia it's bulimia and in any situation it is an unhealthy relationship with food.

 

The very good thing is you have a firm grasp on what you need to do to lift well!

 

I would not be sure how to start tackling this but you have taken the right step to talk about it!

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Thanks rebel just looked up the definition of that and not quite sure that's it. They say you could binge eat then try burn it off or induce vomiting , I should add I've never done either. My stomach shuts down usually quite quickly so my meals are all small (and more frequent . snack based calorie intake). The vomiting is not triggered by me and I even force swallow it back in whenever I can, often comes at embarrassing times. It comes and goes, almost always comes back when I've gained some weight so definitely a trend! Didn't wanna make an issue out of what could be usual for any skinny bulker but other people I know haven't had (or dont talk about) this problem, hope someone out there in GymNation has experienced this and knows how to tackle it 

 

Have also had blood tests done in past after having consulted GP and apparently they rule out bacteria / worms. They won't take it further since I do keep a healthy appearance, they think I just want some drugs to get big and dismiss the constant struggle I have in trying not losing all the gains everyday even at lightweight

 

Even now I feel wierd talking about it because in the past couple weeks I have put on 3kg just the fact that half my food came out and I had to force more back in, I know I'll struggle to get far in bulking if I don't fix this now 

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Go to the pharmacy and ask for some injectable b12 its is a water based solution you inject intramuscularly. It is a pharmacist only medicine so he/she will have to give it to you and may write your name and details in a records book. This is will increase your appetite. It's cheap.

 

Perhaps you are lacking some vitamins or have a deficiency of some sort? Like I told you before at your body weight and bmi you don't need to eat huge volumes of clean food. Eat what you can of that then eat some dirty calorie dense shit like chocolate bar or an ice cream to bring you up into a surplus or to hit your required calories for that meal. I cant sit down eating an ice cream container full of chicken and rice how boring and where does anyone find the time to do that 4 times a day who works 9 hours a day then goes to the gym and spends time with family after. 

 

The less you eat the less you'll want to eat. Just grind through this part and your body will adapt.

 

You are gaining weight if your weight recordings in your journal are accurate, so can't be that bad.

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Are there any particular types of foods that cause your reflux or to feel ill?

 

Any particular time of the day you feel shit? 

 

What is a typical day for you for diet (timing/macros/supplements) and exercise (cardio/duration of training)? Water intake and do you drink with meals?

 

Do your energy levels fluctuate during the day?

 

 

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Its not anorexia or bulimia. Bulimia is where you force yourself to throw up to stay skinny.

 

The first and 3rd symptoms you described are basically how it is for me plus #2 occasionally. I hate eating and have almost zero appetite. But i can make myself eat mostly, although i especially struggle eating after i train.

 

Before i used gear or chewed nicotine gum was always hungry as f*ck. Noticed using orals makes it a lot worse and yeah physically cant eat much sometimes.

 

You could have a fucked liver although id have thought blood tests would have found that already if it was the case. 

 

It sounds more like a physical medical problem than an eating disorder anyway. Get a better doctor because could be something pretty serious.

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52 minutes ago, PETN said:

Its not anorexia or bulimia. Bulimia is where you force yourself to throw up to stay skinny.

 

The first and 3rd symptoms you described are basically how it is for me plus #2 occasionally. I hate eating and have almost zero appetite. But i can make myself eat mostly, although i especially struggle eating after i train.

 

Before i used gear or chewed nicotine gum was always hungry as f*ck. Noticed using orals makes it a lot worse and yeah physically cant eat much sometimes.

 

You could have a fucked liver although id have thought blood tests would have found that already if it was the case. 

 

It sounds more like a physical medical problem than an eating disorder anyway. Get a better doctor because could be something pretty serious.

Agreed RE: Liver. 

 

Was your enzyme levels and proteins levels of the liver tested? Might be having issues here. 

 

White blood cell count up from fighting an infection? Maybe the food you eating may have intolerance too (dairy? shell fish?) 

 

Perhaps some issue with the acids in your stomach (too acidic or something) or flora of bacteria  in your stomach could be off set. Not sure if there is a test for this. Any other symptoms, like flatulence?  

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You're just skinny and never really eaten much. Knuckle down. I was in same boat when I first started training. Same metabolism to you.

 

gradually increase. You going zero to 100. Don't fill your food container to brim you set yourself up to fail. What think happen you put 250kg on your back now you won't be able to lift it same all your food. Build it up man.

 

dont be a hypochondriac lol

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Without trying to sound insensitive or implicate myself in illegal activities, there is a well known, holistic, low side effect remedy that you could try:

http://www.vice.com/read/should-weed-be-used-to-treat-eating-disorders-511

 

I know people that have had very good success using this method (the only "side effect" would be getting high)

 

Unfortunately due to archaic ways of thinking/legislation in 2016 this might not be the easiest option, well in NZ. 

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Oh I just remembered. Fill a 2L bottle with some (slightly) chilled water, maybe a bit of cordial or lemon at first (but you want this to be disgusting, so plain water is better). Slam the whole thing or as much as you can as fast as you can (took me 10 mins the first time) Now a minute probs.

Once your finished and feel like puking, repeat it again.

After a while, go piss it all out and eat, much easier this way.

Do this like every day.

 

I hated the feeling of having stuff in my stomach, but this sorted me out.

 

 

 

 

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3 hours ago, eLm0 said:

Without trying to sound insensitive or implicate myself in illegal activities, there is a well known, holistic, low side effect remedy that you could try:

http://www.vice.com/read/should-weed-be-used-to-treat-eating-disorders-511

 

I know people that have had very good success using this method (the only "side effect" would be getting high)

 

Unfortunately due to archaic ways of thinking/legislation in 2016 this might not be the easiest option, well in NZ. 

Haha yeah that would do the trick.  Trying to stop eating then becomes the problem. 

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thanks guys for the overwhelming feedback! gotta love gymnation

 

 

9 hours ago, PETN said:

Its not anorexia or bulimia. Bulimia is where you force yourself to throw up to stay skinny.

 

The first and 3rd symptoms you described are basically how it is for me plus #2 occasionally. I hate eating and have almost zero appetite. But i can make myself eat mostly, although i especially struggle eating after i train.

 

Before i used gear or chewed nicotine gum was always hungry as f*ck. Noticed using orals makes it a lot worse and yeah physically cant eat much sometimes.

 

You could have a fucked liver although id have thought blood tests would have found that already if it was the case. 

 

It sounds more like a physical medical problem than an eating disorder anyway. Get a better doctor because could be something pretty serious.

far out man if you of all people feel this way but still made it big then gives me hope taht if I just persist I can do it too. Just feels crappy for example when I had to shoot out twice to the toilet in our teams shared lunch thing. ended up not eating all that much at all yesterday.. but on the flip side, today i was able to eat everything i planned to eat.

 

7 hours ago, Realtalk said:

You're just skinny and never really eaten much. Knuckle down. I was in same boat when I first started training. Same metabolism to you.

 

gradually increase. You going zero to 100. Don't fill your food container to brim you set yourself up to fail. What think happen you put 250kg on your back now you won't be able to lift it same all your food. Build it up man.

 

dont be a hypochondriac lol

 

fuk im probably being a hypochondriac asshole again trying to prevent things that haven't happened yet lol. it is true that i have been steadily gaining recently and if it keeps up all good, i just wanted to see if this is normal or not and if not, i need to address it because it doesn't come up in searches on bodybuilding forums, every where you read everyones like 'yeah bro i just ate this much and grew', no one talks about the struggle to keep food in, constant bloating,  not having any desire to ever see food again etc.  it's been a relief to see couple ppl on this thread mentioned they've felt same way in past!!

 

about b12, last time i remember made thread similar to this as well and i had a bloodtest that showed my b12 levels were as high as they could test, '999' so not sure that's it. reckon still helpful if i ask pharmacist to hit me up with b12?

 

also thanks about the diet advice, my main meals are quite small because i can't get heaps of food in a single sitting so i've been adding yoghurt snacks / choc & museli bars in between for some easy calories. much easier getting cals in this way than trying to eat 3k cal from chicken and rice

 

8 hours ago, jimmybro1 said:

Agreed RE: Liver. 

 

Was your enzyme levels and proteins levels of the liver tested? Might be having issues here. 

 

White blood cell count up from fighting an infection? Maybe the food you eating may have intolerance too (dairy? shell fish?) 

 

Perhaps some issue with the acids in your stomach (too acidic or something) or flora of bacteria  in your stomach could be off set. Not sure if there is a test for this. Any other symptoms, like flatulence?  

 

last time i had the protein levels tested back in 2013 there was a slight leak of protein but they didn't investigate it further because said it was so minor. dont think enzymes were tested. the GPs i've spoken to been completely dismissive, what is the right type of doctor you reckon to speak with about this topic? just find another GP or more of a specialist? chinese herbal docs? i do know for a fact that i don't react that well to dairy so have almost completely cut that out of my diet. flatulence - not really, infact i very rarely fart (or burp for that matter) - thinking of it that way, this doesn't seem normal either maybe digestive issues after all?
 

 

6 hours ago, eLm0 said:

Without trying to sound insensitive or implicate myself in illegal activities, there is a well known, holistic, low side effect remedy that you could try:

http://www.vice.com/read/should-weed-be-used-to-treat-eating-disorders-511

 

I know people that have had very good success using this method (the only "side effect" would be getting high)

 

Unfortunately due to archaic ways of thinking/legislation in 2016 this might not be the easiest option, well in NZ. 

LOL i was actually considering that, but reckon it would be too obvious in my workplace! Not the right place to be all casual and stuff haha. As a matter of fact when I was in Amsterdam for a week a couple months back that's when I first realised what it was like to feel hungry and coming back from that, started thinking about how I actually do have a problem that needs to be addressed properly...

 

 

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MJ raises estrogen levels and generally makes you lazy. The food you crave on the munchies isn't muscle building food either it's potatoe chips, fish fingers and fizzy drink. Having a blaze up on a Saturday night then stuffing your face isn't really going to be of benefit to your anyway... Reason being it isn't consistent, it's one night. small consistent changes/increases repeated day after day is what will benefit you the most.

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yup dont worry won't be getting in to those kinda again lol, tho it was good times. my 1 week in Amsterdam was amazing but more than enough exposure to that dark side of life for an entire lifetime i think! building on from some stuff jimmybro said i googled if other people have had issues issues with burping (throwing up when a burp should come out) and found heaps of threads. gonna sift through in more detail tomorrow but from overview it looks like it all comes down to gastrointestinal issues in other peoples cases. looks promising / not too difficult to cure if that's what it is!

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47 minutes ago, Realtalk said:

MJ raises estrogen levels and generally makes you lazy. The food you crave on the munchies isn't muscle building food either it's potatoe chips, fish fingers and fizzy drink. Having a blaze up on a Saturday night then stuffing your face isn't really going to be of benefit to your anyway... Reason being it isn't consistent, it's one night. small consistent changes/increases repeated day after day is what will benefit you the most.

 

The studies which show a link to increased estrogen from MJ noted that these are likely due to combustion products. Meaning these effects won't give you man boobs if you use a medicinal oil/tea or even vaporizer. 

 

The reason why I suggested it here is exactly that, it makes you craze food by enhancing the taste/smell perception. Junk food is tasty so naturally it is craved. You won't be out of control, as long as there are healthy/tasty things around :-D which is why I suggested this for @FellowshipOfTheRon 's original problem

 

To elaborate THC binds to the brain's olfactory bulb, significantly increasing the ability to smell food and leading you to eat more of it. The reason you eat more is simply that you can smell and taste it more acutely. 

Explained more in Nature Neuroscience (i.e. one of best journals in the world) here:

http://www.nature.com/neuro/journal/v17/n3/full/nn.3647.html

 

 

Anyway. Just a suggestion for a safe alternative efficacious therapy that could unnecessarily land you in jail....

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9 hours ago, Realtalk said:

gradually increase. You going zero to 100.

Agreed. I don't know how much you're trying to force down, but I don't think there's any benefit to being in a ridiculous caloric surplus. You want some surplus, sure, but there's a point at which your gains won't come any quicker... just the fat. If you're gaining weight now, you may not need to increase calories further just yet anyway.

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I agree with Realtalk and reckon that in terms of bigger picture weed would be a shit idea. 

 

Definitely made me eat more and stuff and id eat mostly healthy shit too like massive bowls of protein yogurt and oats so not a bad idea in that respect.

 

Made me lazy as f*ck. Was into running at time and would just cbf going for few days or lifting weights etc instead of training almost every day. One of my mates at uni smoked fair bit and he still trained and looked alright (no homo) but was mostly just sitting round rewatching the same tv series' multiple times in day in his spare time.

 

Definitely think it fucks your brain too. Not against ppl smoking it or anything but prrsonally id rather stay alert and sharp and react quickly in calculated way to shit and get stuff done than be constantly in a mild state of retardation and laziness.

 

Depends on your job too. I seemed to get 'randomly' drug tested a lot when i was smashing duramines (as in getting tested consecutive days sometimes) so if you work in an industry where drug testing is common then probably shit idea unless you think your job is shit compared to the dole.

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I was just suggesting a possible solution to the hunger problem. A proven one might I add.

 

Didn't want to start a larger debate on this topic, but it is something I feel passionately about, especially the interesting under-utilized science around THC, CBD and CBN.

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18 hours ago, Realtalk said:

MJ raises estrogen levels and generally makes you lazy. The food you crave on the munchies isn't muscle building food either it's potatoe chips, fish fingers and fizzy drink. Having a blaze up on a Saturday night then stuffing your face isn't really going to be of benefit to your anyway... Reason being it isn't consistent, it's one night. small consistent changes/increases repeated day after day is what will benefit you the most.

 

I always pre - made my meals before hand. Ended up eating pots of tuna with fetucinni or some other protein lol.

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1 hour ago, GyzzBrah said:

 

I always pre - made my meals before hand. Ended up eating pots of tuna with fetucinni or some other protein lol.

 

Probably why you have high body fat and feel depressed and lost half the time... smoking too much weed. But as long as appetite big then what the hell eh.

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4 minutes ago, Realtalk said:

 

Probably why you have high body fat and feel depressed and lost half the time... smoking too much weed. But as long as appetite big then wtf eh

 

Lol havent done it in months. Was depressed / fat way before I even touched the shit. Not even depressed any more.

 

But always good to make dumb assumptions about gyzz and ruin FOTR's thread in the process so wtf eh.

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Funny enough I was a severe pot smoker a few years back.  Whilst I would gorge my face while stoned it wasn't on good wholesome food. It was chocolate and biscuits etc. Then during the day I'd hardly want to eat at all. I was 59kg the day I decided to give that and drinking up.  Started eating smaller meals around 6 times a day . Say a can of tuna and the baked 2 min noodles. Was a struggle just to get that down but eventually I could tolerate larger portions.  My weight shot up to 72kg within probably 8 months and just had slow gains since then. Weed definitely made me lazy.  I'd come home from work and just sleep for 2 hours.  Just try and eat more regular serves if you can. I never threw up or had to race to the toilet though mate so a visit to the doc won't hurt you just for reassuring yourself.  

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so cool seeing a bit of everyones background shining through haha. can't believe you were ever 59kilos for a long period skeletor! i feel like i better know what i have to do, combination of eating in excess but not too much excess while also seeking the right medical help. think i will start with gastrointestinal specialist if problem gets worse. last couple days haven't been that bad, bringing my net gain over the past 14 days to +3.4kg

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