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What is this product? haha. Cant find anything on it. Prohormone?

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http://wheydeals.co.nz/TestX_AnabolX

Was gonna pull the trigger just because it seems so cheap and thought a little test boost would be fun, but I cant find anything on it after a quick google search. "underground muscle". Probably a prohormone?? Which I dont want. 

Anyways what is it, no nutrition facts or anything haha

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Put it this way. If they're selling it off that cheap it's probably pretty useless. I wouldn't waste money on a test booster myself.  For the price you pay I doubt it will even raise your test levels enough to notice.  

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3 hours ago, jbrauch53 said:

http://wheydeals.co.nz/TestX_AnabolX

Was gonna pull the trigger just because it seems so cheap and thought a little test boost would be fun, but I cant find anything on it after a quick google search. "underground muscle". Probably a prohormone?? Which I dont want. 

Anyways what is it, no nutrition facts or anything haha

The reviews.... lol

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http://undergroundmuscle.nz/

 

I didn't realise they were still around. I think this company is Jamie Cameron's baby (or used to be, pretty sure that's him on the website...)

 

I got given a few samples of this some years ago. Can't remember exactly what they were, but I think one of them was this Growth Factor 2.0 IGF-1. It was an oral liquid that came in 14 little test tubes - so you knew it was hardcore - and RRP $200 for a two week supply. I remember it made a big point of shouting something like "CONTAINS REAL GROWTH HORMONE!", but if you looked at the small print on the back, it was an amount that made homeopathic remedies look over-dosed.

 

It seems they don't make it any more though. Can't imagine why. :-D

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There is also on being sold by nz muscle like $55 i saw on their ad. Very little info on whats i it so i dont know what the effects of it are if any. Ive recently tried a popular brand of natty test boosters ( i have low t) and have been getting regular bloods done as a result but wanted to see if itd help and it didnt. In fact my t numbers decreased while on it. It may just be my physiology not responding to it but if you do try an over counter boister take before and after bloods and let us know how you get on and if you find one that works ;)

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On 3/16/2017 at 8:31 PM, Biggerbythedaynz said:

There is also on being sold by nz muscle like $55 i saw on their ad. Very little info on whats i it so i dont know what the effects of it are if any. Ive recently tried a popular brand of natty test boosters ( i have low t) and have been getting regular bloods done as a result but wanted to see if itd help and it didnt. In fact my t numbers decreased while on it. It may just be my physiology not responding to it but if you do try an over counter boister take before and after bloods and let us know how you get on and if you find one that works ;)


Bro not to be rude, but it ain't your physiology. They just don't do shit. Period. As countless people on here have told you and others (who don't seem to want to listen). If you wanna raise your test stop looking for over the counter shit and just stick yourself with a needle already. 

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11 hours ago, ratz99 said:


Bro not to be rude, but it ain't your physiology. They just don't do shit. Period. As countless people on here have told you and others (who don't seem to want to listen). If you wanna raise your test stop looking for over the counter shit and just stick yourself with a needle already. 

Hiya @ratz99 no offence taken, i tried it as was being tested weekly for other reasons and as per my original post did it for @#$% and giggles just to see out of curiosity. Mentioned my physiological state as indo have a low t issue and according to said popular brand their excuse was not having enough natural test to begin with so im essentially boosting 0 lol so for the op who was keen on using an over counter test booster i shared my findings backed with lab tests and be keen to hear from him if hed had any success. Especially on the specific androgen receptor modulator as opposed to selective ;) . Having said that the problem with pinning is always the same good 'sauce' to go along with your meat and veggies. Cant sizzle at a bbq without a hot sauce ;) the op expressed not wanting prohormones or hard core and seems to have a preference for being natty so credit to him for that and i would still be interested if he gets conclusive results from an otc product some of us may not of tried yet although im sure most of the experienced folk have tried everything 

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This is being sold on trade me as well.

A buddy of mine bought this for the $35 sale price, he got 3 days into it before blowing his achilles playing touch. No training for him. He flicked me the remainder of both bottles for $20. Haven't used them yet.

What I can tell you so far is, they both smell pretty funky one smells like a mildewy bathroom and the other like mouldy carpet. The ingredients are as follows.

Anabol-X 90 caps, 1 cap 3x a day.

Magnesium aspartate complex 170mg

5-methyl-7-methoxyisoflavone 125mg

N-Acetyl-L-Cysteine 95mg

Green tea extract PE 10:1 85mg

Lysophosphatyidylcholine 80mg

L-Ornithine alpha ketoglutarate 80mg

Tribulus terrestis PE 50:1 50mg

Zinc mono aspartate (zma) 15mg

Vitamin B6 (Pyridoxine) 10mg

Content listed above is per capsule.

 

Test-X 60 caps, 2 caps 2x a day.

L-Alanine 125mg

L-Leucine 125mg

Mucuna Pruriens Extract 110mg

Gymnema Sylvestre Extract 70mg

Beta-Ecdysterone 50mg

Tribulus terrestris PE 50:1 50mg

Vitamin E 30mg

5-methyl-7-methoxyisoflavone 30mg

3,3-DiIndolymethane 25mg

Fenugreek PE 4:1 15mg

Content listed above is per capsule.

 

Looks to be similar in composition to a lot of other over the counter natural test boosters, with a few double ups across the two products in slightly different ratios.

Did a bit of digging as we had a rare quiet night the other night regarding claims, effect and dosage on the listed ingredients. A lot of the ingredients seem to have substantiated claims to their effectiveness with several studies to support them, including optimal dosages.

Whereas others have completely unsubstantaied claims and lack supporting evidence.

Some ingredients seem to be within the recommended range for dosage through the day and a few are under.

 

Since Ive got them I'll give them a crack.

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8 hours ago, gazza said:

Beta-Ecdysterone

5-methyl-7-methoxyisoflavone 

I remember seeing little bottles of these behind the counter in supplement stores about 15 years ago! (I remember them as being very expensive, and not very effective.)

 

Then they fell out of favour, and I never saw them again. I wonder if they're making a resurgence?

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 I can beat off for days on this stuff. I always end up bookmarking hundreds of pages worth of porn. It got to the point where I had so many bookmarks that I started from scratch and began organizing it by ethnicity with the exception of redheads, they get their own folder, then I make subfolders for the actresses and/or category. I have so many milf folders I had to seperate them into 4 subfolders (because I was up for 12(+) hours one night doing nothing but).

Within each pornstar's folder I have one wallpaper sized picture of the pornstar saved so I can remember what these chicks look like instead of having to go through a bunch of vids. The HC on the end of their names mean they do hardcore, which most of them do. The funny thing is, I'll probably never revisit these when I run out of anabolix.

There's a few random videos here and there but most are neatly organized in a specific folder.

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@Pseudonym this is what I was able to dig up. 5-methyl-7-methoxyisoflavone is touted as a non-hormonal anabolic/anti-catabolic compound, recommended dosage is 400-800mg a day. There as been a few studies on it and none of them yielded any measureable or conclusive effects on testosterone or cortisol levels. It has been known to produce a false positive for cannabinoids in urine tests. Might as well smoke some weed lol.

Beta Ecdysterone seems more promising but has as many detractors as supporters. It claims to increase lean body mass, endurance and metabolism. Promote protein synthesis, improve nerve function and erythropoiesis (development of mature red cells). Decreased blood sugar and adipose tissue. Block 5-alpha reductase enzymes inhibiting the conversion of testosterone conversion to DHT.

Best to consume it with protein at dosage of 5mg for every kilo of bodyweight. That dosage indicates that most supplements listing it as an ingredient are under dosed, hence why it is an expensive option and hidden on the back shelf.

 

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Looks like a test booster. And by test booster, I don't think it will make any difference. However its free.

 

Might aswell take BCAA's and proviron to 'boost' test levels. Or even some table salt as a Xtreme_pump vasodiator™ with Dihydro-monoxide for next gen hydration.

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58 minutes ago, Brynn said:

Looks like a test booster. And by test booster, I don't think it will make any difference. However its free.

 

Might aswell take BCAA's and proviron to 'boost' test levels. Or even some table salt as a Xtreme_pump vasodiator™ with Dihydro-monoxide for next gen hydration.

 

How would BCAA and proviron boost testosterone levels...?

 

Proviron can displace testosterone from SHBG, but since testosterone  has a greater binding affinity than oestradiol all you end up doing is displacing a larger proportion of oestrogen.. (along with its side effects)...

 

Proviron also binds nuclear androgen receptor with a strong binding affinity, as it is relatively benign in regards promoting skeletal muscle hypertrophy its inclusion has always seemed kinda pointless...

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6 hours ago, Daz69 said:

How would BCAA and proviron boost testosterone levels...?

I think that was his point, Daz. The clue was in the Di-hydro monoxide. :-p

 

Although I did just learn something about Proviron - so cheers!

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9 hours ago, Pseudonym said:

I think that was his point, Daz. The clue was in the Di-hydro monoxide. :-p

 

Although I did just learn something about Proviron - so cheers!

 

Durrr.... I got the two hydrogens bound to a single oxygen...

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In Europe when you buy a box of scherings proviron from the chemist, not the guy at the back door of the local gym. 

It has inside the dosages and directions panflet. 

It has doses for various ailments including. 

Subnormal androgen levels. 

Hypogonadism in pre and post pubescent males. 

Infertility when a increase in quality and quantity of sperm are required. 

Surly if these are some of the things it is prescribed for by actual doctors it must be good for something????

 

I personally like proviron but each to there own and what works for some don't for others. 

 

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22 hours ago, New pome said:

In Europe when you buy a box of scherings proviron from the chemist, not the guy at the back door of the local gym. 

It has inside the dosages and directions panflet. 

It has doses for various ailments including. 

Subnormal androgen levels. 

Hypogonadism in pre and post pubescent males. 

Infertility when a increase in quality and quantity of sperm are required. 

Surly if these are some of the things it is prescribed for by actual doctors it must be good for something????

 

I personally like proviron but each to there own and what works for some don't for others. 

 

 

By elevating androgen levels, expect HPTA suppression, and subsequent hypogonadism..

If hypogonadal expect the possibility of reduced spermatogenesis via reduced FSH..

 

Proviron is useless for inducing skeletal muscle hypertrophy.. 

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13 hours ago, Daz69 said:

 

By elevating androgen levels, expect HPTA suppression, and subsequent hypogonadism..

If hypogonadal expect the possibility of reduced spermatogenesis via reduced FSH..

 

Proviron is useless for inducing skeletal muscle hypertrophy.. 

I love it when people disagree with thousand of hours research and thousands of dollars spent testing by massive respectable pharmaceutical companies  because they read a post on the internet. 

 

Lol, can tell your not a fan daz. 

Each to there own. 

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4 hours ago, New pome said:

I love it when people disagree with thousand of hours research and thousands of dollars spent testing by massive respectable pharmaceutical companies  because they read a post on the internet. 

 

Lol, can tell your not a fan daz. 

Each to there own. 

 

It seems that Schering did a fair bit of research on the various esters of Proviron back in the 1970 and 1980s. 

As previously stated gonadal suppression was found:

 

Summary

To determine whether the claim that mesterolone, an orally active androgen, does not cause suppression of gonadotrophin secretion, two groups of five normal men were treated with 100 and 200 mg. daily respectively for 7 days. Serial measurements of serum FSH, LH and plasma testosterone were made on samples taken at 15 minute intervals over 2 hr both before and during treatment. Modest falls in FSH, LH and testosterone levels were observed in both groups, the percentage suppression being 21% and 18% for FSH, 19% and 15% for LH and 9% and 8% for testosterone at the lower and higher dosage levels respectively..

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/4418512

 

DOI: 10.1111/j.1439-0272.1974.tb01604.x (full paper)..

 

Proviron may provide some mental benefits to folks predisposed to things such as depression and anxiety as that was what it was designed for. There is a small chance it may help with libido if hyper-dosed in an acute fashion (but this is more than likely placebo).

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/6431212

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3880735

As far as bodybuilding related properties go, it is essentially a worthless compound and one that I've experimented with in numerous ways...

 

The original patent shows Schering's research on the anti-depressive effect of mesterolone started in the 1970s:

 

Mesterolone and it's 17-esters exhibit neuropsychotropic effects especially antidepressant, mood elevating, and efficiency elevating properties. At lower dosages eg: about 0.1-10mg. per dose they evoke a psycho-stimulating effect  and at higher doses eg: 25-300mg per dose an antidepressant effect..

 

https://www.google.com/patents/US3908007

 

I am fortunate to work within the medical profession here in New Zealand which allows me access to research on various drugs or compounds I am legally allowed to administer..

My authority to practice dictates I must have reasonable knowledge in anatomy, physiology, and pharmacology, as well as more advanced knowledge of pharmacokinetic and dynamic principles within human biological systems. 

Whilst I may read the odd post online, I am perfectly capable of doing my own research, as well as understanding it..

 

 

 

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Like I said each to there own schering say it works, and continue to sell it to date for these various ailments. you say it doesn't. 

Dose on directions panflet is 25mg 3 x daily  and can be dropped to 2x daily after a few weeks so not as high as your studies show. 

Surpresssion is possibly  caused at higher doses. 

 

Im not arguing with you daz mate. 

I like proviron and will continue to use. 

Also use as part of my PCT as set out for me by a very knowledgable doctor. 

 

 

 

thanks for your views

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2 hours ago, New pome said:

Like I said each to there own schering say it works, and continue to sell it to date for these various ailments. you say it doesn't. 

Dose on directions panflet is 25mg 3 x daily  and can be dropped to 2x daily after a few weeks so not as high as your studies show. 

Surpresssion is possibly  caused at higher doses. 

 

Im not arguing with you daz mate. 

I like proviron and will continue to use. 

Also use as part of my PCT as set out for me by a very knowledgable doctor. 

 

 

 

thanks for your views

 

I appreciate we all have differing genetics, some people do report feeling of well being, and/or increase in sexual stimuli with proviron use, personally I have always found it ineffectual, but that's just me..

 

Regards PCT and the paper I supplied above: Use of proviron (an androgen) has been shown to negatively impact HPTA via reduced LH and FSH I can't see how it might assist in recovery, only prolong suppression ..

 

We're already starting to discover that preventing damage to the testes on cycle is probably the best way of standing any chance of genuinely recovering post-cycle, and that standard PCTs evidently do little to secure long-term recovery.

 

http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0161208

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25598171

 

Use of taurine and/or royal jelly on cycle might be more prudent to prevent sertoli cell damage from ROS..


The Royal Jelly works because it prevents the down-regulation of the catalase enzyme that occurs with AAS. Catalase helps eliminate ROS (oxidants) from the testes and thus prevents the kind of cellular massacre that occurs as a result of exogenous AAS use. 

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25050300

This is different to the effect of taurine, which also helps protect cells of the testes (in rats, at least) indirectly via it's role in supporting other powerful anti-oxidative mechanisms like glutathione (GSH).

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25542992

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