jimmybro1 Posted January 26, 2016 Report Share Posted January 26, 2016 The past fortnight have gone vegan 5 days a week. Sources of proteins are: Beetroot burger patties, chickpeas, lentils, nuts. Carbohydrate sources: Oats, rice, fruit fats: 80% dark chocolate, flaxseed , nuts on the other two days of the week I don't have dairy (exception 2 scoops of whey) or red meat. Before i I ventured on this diet I tested my health makers by a blood test. Notable changes have occurred in liver enzymes and cholesterol both reducing. LDL went from 2.6 mmol / L to 1.9 mmol/L and LDL remained at 1.2mmol /L. All are within the reference range. Liver enzyme dropped 20 U/L coming back into range. This could be influenced by a few things though like training. Protein intake has reduced but not tracking Marcos so unsure by how much previously around 220g/day likely around 120g /day now off estimates. In in terms of energy it's a heap more carbohydrates so feel fine. One thing I have noticed is that bowel movements are 3-4 times a day whereas previously once. Admittedly I do take 20,000mg of fish oil daily which isn't vegan. This supplementation was continued from before diet change. Skeletor and I Declare War 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pseudonym Posted January 26, 2016 Report Share Posted January 26, 2016 Oh, ok. Cool. Seriously?! You're making this post, knowing full well the reaction it's going to get, and yet you casually leave out the one thing everyone is going to be asking... WHY?!?! Bruce Al 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigken1985 Posted January 26, 2016 Report Share Posted January 26, 2016 So um yeah. You realize that unless you have stupid cholesterol it's a non issue, and btw you need it to make testosterone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmybro1 Posted January 26, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2016 27 minutes ago, Pseudonym said: Oh, ok. Cool. Seriously?! You're making this post, knowing full well the reaction it's going to get, and yet you casually leave out the one thing everyone is going to be asking... WHY?!?! I initially started to stop eating red meat for sustainability issues (hippy I know). I guess it was a slippery slope from there. Mostly health reasons rather than ethical reasons. I was lead this direction after watching vegan gains YouTube channel. Big headed beta doche I know but arguments are so compelling so rather than being naive and disregarding his thoughts ( supported by medical journals ) I thought I would see for myself. One of the videos is below I Declare War 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmybro1 Posted January 26, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2016 2 minutes ago, Bigken1985 said: So um yeah. You realize that unless you have stupid cholesterol it's a non issue, and btw you need it to make testosterone. Also monitoring hormones no change in test, LH, FST, TSH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundsgood Posted January 26, 2016 Report Share Posted January 26, 2016 Jimmy Piana - NZs strongest natty vegan jimmybro1, I Declare War, Terrymundo and 2 others 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pseudonym Posted January 26, 2016 Report Share Posted January 26, 2016 1 hour ago, jimmybro1 said: The past fortnight have gone vegan 5 days a week So hang on... while you were giving us shit about Intermittent Fasting, you were actually on a vegan diet! Fair enough, mate... it's always interesting to try these things out. For the sake of the science, I'd be really interested in seeing your calories and macros before and now, and what happens to your strength and physique. I know you're not bodybuilding, but if you can take photos, that would be fascinating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wookie Posted January 26, 2016 Report Share Posted January 26, 2016 What are you eating the other 2 days? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmybro1 Posted January 26, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2016 7 hours ago, Wookie said: What are you eating the other 2 days? Addition of chicken breast, egg whites and fish. Otherwise much the same. I believe I am hitting marconutrent requirements. I Declare War and HarryB 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmybro1 Posted January 26, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2016 7 hours ago, Pseudonym said: So hang on... while you were giving us shit about Intermittent Fasting, you were actually on a vegan diet! Fair enough, mate... it's always interesting to try these things out. For the sake of the science, I'd be really interested in seeing your calories and macros before and now, and what happens to your strength and physique. I know you're not bodybuilding, but if you can take photos, that would be fascinating. Maybe Re:photos but never took before photos as like you said I don't train for physique purposes. Hard to judge strenght to as coming back from injury. Intermittent fasting is rubbish Haha ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmybro1 Posted January 26, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2016 10 hours ago, soundsgood said: Jimmy Piana - NZs strongest natty vegan Hopefully translates to performance on Saturday! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GyzzBrah Posted January 26, 2016 Report Share Posted January 26, 2016 Im glad sustainability was not a significant reason for your diet, hope it goes well for you. What was your total cholestrol before / after jimmy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigken1985 Posted January 26, 2016 Report Share Posted January 26, 2016 Sorry bro, I cant believe you took that Vegan gains guys bait, meat doesn't cause heart disease bro, a rubbish diet full of trans fats and refined carbs over a extended period does. And have you seen Vegan gains, its likely he couldn't lift his boyfriend off him Kalidane 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Al Posted January 26, 2016 Report Share Posted January 26, 2016 So actually not one day is vegan. How do you feel after 5 days of no meat? Also, is Beetroot high in protein? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eLm0 Posted January 26, 2016 Report Share Posted January 26, 2016 51 minutes ago, jimmybro1 said: Hopefully translates to performance on Saturday! Just remember Carl Lewis broke the 100m world record on a Vegan diet! jimmybro1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Al Posted January 26, 2016 Report Share Posted January 26, 2016 28 minutes ago, Bigken1985 said: Sorry bro, I cant believe you took that Vegan gains guys bait, meat doesn't cause heart disease bro, a rubbish diet full of trans fats and refined carbs over a extended period does. And have you seen Vegan gains, its likely he couldn't lift his boyfriend off him Who ever said meat causes heart disease? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bigken1985 Posted January 26, 2016 Report Share Posted January 26, 2016 29 minutes ago, Bruce Al said: Who ever said meat causes heart disease? um the Vegan gains Video above is titled, "what causes heart disease" so clearly vegan gains thinks meat does Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmybro1 Posted January 26, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2016 1 hour ago, GyzzBrah said: Im glad sustainability was not a significant reason for your diet, hope it goes well for you. What was your total cholestrol before / after jimmy? As above bro. Total 3.8mmol/L before 3.1mmol/L after. Perhaps not a significant change but moving in a favorable direction. Both results are considered healthy. GyzzBrah 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmybro1 Posted January 26, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2016 42 minutes ago, Bruce Al said: So actually not one day is vegan. How do you feel after 5 days of no meat? Also, is Beetroot high in protein? Nah Beetroot not high in protein four burger patties comes to 25g protein. Tastes good though. Yeah your right not one day is 100% vegan. The 2 scoops of whey is to try make up protein that the diet can't provide as I am not so aware of vegan high protein foods. Adds 50g of protein to diet daily. The fish oil is for joints and general health. Feel fine after eating no meat more frequent bowel movements though. Energy feels fine, I am taking multi vitamins but was also taking them before the diet change. Vitamin and mineral intake is: - B complex x2 - 400IU vitamin E -30mg Zinc -20,000 mg fish oil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmybro1 Posted January 26, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2016 1 hour ago, Bigken1985 said: Sorry bro, I cant believe you took that Vegan gains guys bait, meat doesn't cause heart disease bro, a rubbish diet full of trans fats and refined carbs over a extended period does. And have you seen Vegan gains, its likely he couldn't lift his boyfriend off him Cholesterol and high blood pressure cause heart disease. Animal fats are high in cholesterol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruce Al Posted January 26, 2016 Report Share Posted January 26, 2016 Its not the actual cholesterol in foods that gives you high cholesterol right? Bigken1985 and HarryB 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryB Posted January 26, 2016 Report Share Posted January 26, 2016 7 minutes ago, Bruce Al said: Its not the actual cholesterol in foods that gives you high cholesterol right? No its a combination if shitty excessive eating and for some people hormonal/genetic issues that lead to a propensity for high cholesterol due to the bodies inability to process cholesterol effectively. Bigken1985 and Bruce Al 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GyzzBrah Posted January 26, 2016 Report Share Posted January 26, 2016 43 minutes ago, jimmybro1 said: As above bro. Total 3.8mmol/L before 3.1mmol/L after. Perhaps not a significant change but moving in a favorable direction. Both results are considered health. Mine be like 5.4 last time I checked :( Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimmybro1 Posted January 26, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 26, 2016 6 minutes ago, GyzzBrah said: Mine be like 5.4 last time I checked :( Doctors monitoring it? Thats just outside reference. Might need to up the cardio and reduce saturated fat intake. Cholesterol not something you want high especially at your age. Whats your BP? Georg 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GyzzBrah Posted January 26, 2016 Report Share Posted January 26, 2016 32 minutes ago, jimmybro1 said: Doctors monitoring it? Thats just outside reference. Might need to up the cardio and reduce saturated fat intake. Cholesterol not something you want high especially at your age. Whats your BP? No clue Ill get it checked soon I guess, family history of heart disease and whatnot. Ever since I was kid, used to come last in every race / athletic event. And by "last" I mean very last. I was actually quite sporty, did cricket / soccer and cycled on weekends, played sport at lunchtime etc. Despite this, I would always come last, even to those skinny nerdy kids that sat on a calculator all day etc. Even fat kids used to beat me easy. Might have to look into this vegan thing when im your age if I wanna live haha. Be good to see how this diet affects your progress etc, if at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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