Hannelie Posted December 13, 2015 Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 Hi, I'm new to this site and need some advise. My husband need to gain serious mass, but struggle a lot. He does bodybuilding and cant get his weight above 75kg. He drinks heaps of protein powder with banana an peanut butter..about 3 times a day. Eats a lot, but just cant gain weight. He's a diabetic with an extreme fast metabolism. What can he do for steriods is illegle in NZ. Please help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeastBuilder Posted December 13, 2015 Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 Simple answer Eat more. Needs to take in more calories than he is the expending. And your steroid comment, even they wouldn't make him bigger without a caloric surplus. Nothing can build muscle out of thin air. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hannelie Posted December 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 Oh my goodness. If he eats more, he's going to burst lol. Huge bowl of oats, protein shake with banana and pb for breakfast. 10am heaps of sandwiches with either tuna or ham. Lunch 8 slices of bread and left overs of previous nights dinner. 3pm again eat. Before gym protein shake. After gym protein shake and huge dinner. Before bed protein shake. He uses the 70/30 shake. 70% carbs 30% protein Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeastBuilder Posted December 13, 2015 Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 Mass Gainer shakes are rubbish imo. Whole foods win everytime. It's not overly hard to understand that basically if you're taking in more calories than you burn you'll put on weight. He can easily fit more food in there and swap it for quality whole foods rather than Mass Gainer shakes.. I swear they're not very bioavailable for your body and they are shit sources of protein and carbs generally with a lot of fillers. Calories can be added to meals easily, looking at what he's eating you can easily put more fats in there which are the most calorie dense macronutrient with 9 calories per gram. So extra mayo on sandwiches, Extra Virgin Olive Oil in shakes or over meals, extra spoonfuls of Nut Butters throughout the day etc. He either needs to eat more or do less. Simple maths. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maccaz Posted December 13, 2015 Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 Huge volume of food doesnt mean much. Get the my fitness pal app. Scan barcodes of all foods. Work out how many calories hes getting in. Add 1000 to that. muscle99, Pseudonym and harrybarry 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muscle99 Posted December 13, 2015 Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 You need to find out what your maintence calories are so you can exceed it everyday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flexrondorianzenegger1 Posted December 13, 2015 Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 good advice here but I cant help but to feel an overwhelming sense of urgency from your Original Post as if you've started a weight gain diet for two days and your not seeing any results. Weight gain,like weight loss takes time.Especially if your a hardgainer.You need time to accustom your body to putting on weight.He needs to work at it for months just to let his body know that he is trying to get it bigger then only after that might it respond. Give it a decent 6months to a year .day in day out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hannelie Posted December 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 Sorry but where did you get two days? He's been trying this for 3 years and not gained any weight. He's calorie intake is between 4000 and 5000 per day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hannelie Posted December 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 1 hour ago, flexrondorianzenegger1 said: good advice here but I cant help but to feel an overwhelming sense of urgency from your Original Post as if you've started a weight gain diet for two days and your not seeing any results. Weight gain,like weight loss takes time.Especially if your a hardgainer.You need time to accustom your body to putting on weight.He needs to work at it for months just to let his body know that he is trying to get it bigger then only after that might it respond. Give it a decent 6months to a year .day in day out. Sorry but where did you get two days? He's been trying this for 3 years and not gained any weight. He's calorie intake is between 4000 and 5000 per day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bang_bang Posted December 13, 2015 Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 Hes eating 4-5000 cals @ 75kg and not gaining weight? I'm 98kg and gain weight on 4000. Seems legit Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atrollappears Posted December 13, 2015 Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 16 hours ago, Hannelie said: Hi, I'm new to this site and need some advise. My husband need to gain serious mass, but struggle a lot. He does bodybuilding and cant get his weight above 75kg. He drinks heaps of protein powder with banana an peanut butter..about 3 times a day. Eats a lot, but just cant gain weight. He's a diabetic with an extreme fast metabolism. What can he do for steriods is illegle in NZ. Please help Please explain his diabetes, is it type1, type2, does he inject insulin, if so what type, how often, what time in relation to meal times etc.. Maybe post an accurate account of everything he eats, times, amounts etc... gazza 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hannelie Posted December 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 1 hour ago, bang_bang said: Hes eating 4-5000 cals @ 75kg and not gaining weight? I'm 98kg and gain weight on 4000. Seems legit Yes... the diabetic specialist told him that his metabolism is extremely fast and everything he eats...instead of transforming into fat, he pees everything out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hannelie Posted December 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2015 1 hour ago, atrollappears said: Please explain his diabetes, is it type1, type2, does he inject insulin, if so what type, how often, what time in relation to meal times etc.. Maybe post an accurate account of everything he eats, times, amounts etc... Type 1 on insulin. He's on Nova rapid in-between meals. Depends on his sugar level at the time of eating. If 5 he only injects 1unit (1unit for every 5). Long working insulin at night 24 units. I can't really post everything he eats. it's a lot and differs day to day. he eats 6 to 8 times a day. Takes protein shakes in the morning, before gym and after gym. Creatine before gym. After 2 hours of gym and a protein shake, he eats his dinner. Usually consisting of a heap of rice and gravy, meat (mince, chicken, beef...what ever's on the menu) and vegies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flexrondorianzenegger1 Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 5 hours ago, Hannelie said: Sorry but where did you get two days? He's been trying this for 3 years and not gained any weight. He's calorie intake is between 4000 and 5000 per day. Sorry just sounded like that.Wasnt aware that hes been at it for 3 years.Thats is a really long time to be eating those kind of cals @ 75kg and not see any weight gain. so it seems there is definitiely other complications and or factors hindering his weight gain Just for some perspective.Im 123kg and maintain my weight on 3200 cals. On a side note I do wish that my girlfriend worried half as much as you do about my gains :) muscle99, Pseudonym and AuntMaud 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maccaz Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 41 minutes ago, flexrondorianzenegger1 said: On a side note I do wish that my girlfriend worried half as much as you do about my gains :) haha all i get is "you're going to feel sick if you eat all that" and "i told you you would feel sick if you eat all that" whats wrong with some nice encouragement in my eating pursuits of 2015 Al, AuntMaud and Hannelie 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daz69 Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 6 hours ago, Hannelie said: Type 1 on insulin. He's on Nova rapid in-between meals. Depends on his sugar level at the time of eating. If 5 he only injects 1unit (1unit for every 5). Long working insulin at night 24 units. I can't really post everything he eats. it's a lot and differs day to day. he eats 6 to 8 times a day. Takes protein shakes in the morning, before gym and after gym. Creatine before gym. After 2 hours of gym and a protein shake, he eats his dinner. Usually consisting of a heap of rice and gravy, meat (mince, chicken, beef...what ever's on the menu) and vegies. Type 1 diabetes is generally when the pancreatic beta cells don't produce enough insulin, therefore exogenous insulin has to be injected to allow glucose from the blood stream to enter cell for use in cellular metabolism.. I wonder if something else is going on here..? One of the problems with type 2 diabetes is insulin is unable to bind tyrosine kinase alpha receptors due to fatty acid accretions binding those receptors, therefore no glucose is able to enter cell via GLUT4 transporter, the end result is excess glucose is left in blood stream, which is quickly removed from the body via urination.. As you know insulin is responsible for more than cellular metabolism, its also responsible for protein synthesis which is a major factor in growth... Maybe this could be happening in your case.. HumanPerformance, soundsgood and Wookie 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hannelie Posted December 14, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 1 hour ago, flexrondorianzenegger1 said: Sorry just sounded like that.Wasnt aware that hes been at it for 3 years.Thats is a really long time to be eating those kind of cals @ 75kg and not see any weight gain. so it seems there is definitiely other complications and or factors hindering his weight gain Just for some perspective.Im 123kg and maintain my weight on 3200 cals. On a side note I do wish that my girlfriend worried half as much as you do about my gains :) Lol.. yeah my poor hubby soooo wants to gain weight and mass. Years ago he did competition body building and with steriods he just couldnt go to the over 72kg weight class. I wish i had his metbolism Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maccaz Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 4 minutes ago, Hannelie said: Lol.. yeah my poor hubby soooo wants to gain weight and mass. Years ago he did competition body building and with steriods he just couldnt go to the over 72kg weight class. I wish i had his metbolism has he had his blood tested to confirm natural test production has recovered? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeastBuilder Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 Even if his natty test hadn't recovered he would be gaining weight on 4-5k calories a day at 75kg. Fat not muscle but would still be weight. I smell a troll.. I'm averaging 4.5k+ cals atm and maintaining 116-117kg bodyweight. Tbh if you're counting the cals from the mass gainers, I wouldn't. They're rubbish. It's about how much his body is absorbing, so he may have some underlying digestive issues ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hannelie Posted December 14, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 This is hubby and one of him and our son. He is rock hard but just cant get bigger Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daz69 Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 3 hours ago, BeastBuilder said: Even if his natty test hadn't recovered he would be gaining weight on 4-5k calories a day at 75kg. Fat not muscle but would still be weight. I smell a troll.. I'm averaging 4.5k+ cals atm and maintaining 116-117kg bodyweight. Tbh if you're counting the cals from the mass gainers, I wouldn't. They're rubbish. It's about how much his body is absorbing, so he may have some underlying digestive issues ? I'm unconvinced digestion is the issue here.. Remember your body might be working correctly, general rules for everybody else might not apply to a type 1 diabetic, thats why they are prescribed insulin.. Insulin is important for growth via protein synthesis and other factors, if insulin isn't binding receptor glucose can't adequately transport into cellular tissue, therefore none of these important effects can take place.. Glucose then stays in the blood where it is rapidly excreted via urination... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hannelie Posted December 14, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 16 minutes ago, Daz69 said: I'm unconvinced digestion is the issue here.. Remember your body might be working correctly, general rules for everybody else might not apply to a type 1 diabetic, thats why they are prescribed insulin.. Insulin is important for growth via protein synthesis and other factors, if insulin isn't binding receptor glucose can't adequately transport into cellular tissue, therefore none of these important effects can take place.. Glucose then stays in the blood where it is rapidly excreted via urination... Thats what the diabetic specislist told him. He said if his sugar is not totally controlled then all he eats change into glucose and then comes out urine, it does not go over into fat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daz69 Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 8 minutes ago, Hannelie said: Thats what the diabetic specislist told him. He said if his sugar is not totally controlled then all he eats change into glucose and then comes out urine, it does not go over into fat. Also it won't enter cell for energy, neither will insulin be able to trigger protein synthesis.... High BGL can cause many issues such as: overtiredness, frequent urination, dehydration, weight loss, hunger, blurred vision, blocked capillaries triggering tissue necrosis, frequent infections... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hannelie Posted December 14, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 20 minutes ago, Daz69 said: Also it won't enter cell for energy, neither will insulin be able to trigger protein synthesis.... High BGL can cause many issues such as: overtiredness, frequent urination, dehydration, weight loss, hunger, blurred vision, blocked capillaries triggering tissue necrosis, frequent infections... Luckily his sugar is under control now. Varies between 4 and 6.5. The specialist said he is the most healthy diabetic he seen in ages. Same vision for the last 10 years. Never get sick not even flu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pseudonym Posted December 14, 2015 Report Share Posted December 14, 2015 What are we paying you, Daz? I don't think it's enough... 2 hours ago, Daz69 said: Also it won't enter cell for energy, neither will insulin be able to trigger protein synthesis.... But looking at this guy's photos, he's been able to build a reasonable amount of muscle. He may not be huge, but he's got good shoulders, and you can tell he trains. So if this is the problem, what's the answer? More/less insulin? DISCLAIMER: Obviously, Hannelie, whatever suggestions you get here, your husband needs to run them past the specialist first. Don't take advice on an internet forum over that of a doctor. muscle99 and HumanPerformance 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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