yeelang Posted April 1, 2015 Report Share Posted April 1, 2015 Just because the shakes reduce doesn't mean its not working.. There is some evidence to suggest b2 adrenergic receptors do not downregulate, therefore ketotifen is kinda pointless..!! Ketoifen improves b2 receptors regardless of if they down-regulate, so I wouldn't say it's pointless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supersaiyan Posted April 9, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 9, 2015 9/04/20153:26pm33rd dosage. Notice during the day my body temperature is HOT. absolutely higher than normal. Sweating very easily. I have also noticed a disturbing plummet in my strength and endurance. I am not dosing anabolics. If you ever take t3 I definitely recommend doing steroids next to it. For example my leg press dropped by 120kg over the last week and a half. However, I weighed 89.74kg @ 10:10pm 16/03/2015I now weigh 86.23 kg @ 3:33pm 09/04/2015 So I definitely have lost a lot of weight. Lets hope it wasnt just muscle! Has anyone got a comment on this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maccaz Posted April 9, 2015 Report Share Posted April 9, 2015 thats not a lot of weight to lose in 3 weeks matedont overthink it, doubt the albuterol is taking your strength away that much, well in my experience it definitely didnt and i was not taking any aas with it. look at diet, rest, other factors before considering the albut as cause of strength loss also if you dont like it may as well not take it because you are losing weight at a rate that is easily doable with diet alone, unless you are already real lean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pseudonym Posted April 9, 2015 Report Share Posted April 9, 2015 doubt the albuterol is taking your strength away that much, well in my experience it definitely didnt and i was not taking any aas with it.I think he's talking about T3 now. Are you still on albuterol as well, Supersaiyan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supersaiyan Posted April 12, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 12, 2015 thats not a lot of weight to lose in 3 weeks matedont overthink it, doubt the albuterol is taking your strength away that much, well in my experience it definitely didnt and i was not taking any aas with it. look at diet, rest, other factors before considering the albut as cause of strength loss also if you dont like it may as well not take it because you are losing weight at a rate that is easily doable with diet alone, unless you are already real lean I think he's talking about T3 now. Are you still on albuterol as well, Supersaiyan? @Maccaz and Pseudonym I started taking T3 since 30/03 . At that point I stopped Albuterol. Since then I really feel tired, weak and lethargic. Thinking of ending the T3 only, or entering a T3 + test.Only issue with test is acquisition. Anyone else feel compromised on T3? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeroid Posted April 13, 2015 Report Share Posted April 13, 2015 Why are u even taking these drugs? U gonna compete? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maccaz Posted April 13, 2015 Report Share Posted April 13, 2015 you are over thinking everything matei have had clen, albuterol and t3 and they both have negligible difference really, no more difference than doing a little more cardio or eating a little less. if you dont have these drugs, and do 300cals worth of cardio a day, you will have the same result without sides and you wont have to worry about losing muscle edit: just for the record, im pro-drugs if they are worth it. im all for people taking as many drugs as needed to get the result they need but with this kind of thing theres actually no point taking these drugs and thats talking from experience, get same result dieting 12 weeks whether or not you have clen/albut/t3/whatever (my opinion only, im sure someone will disagree) BigDamo81 and MTH 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryB Posted April 14, 2015 Report Share Posted April 14, 2015 With thyroid it's important to have something to counteract catabolism. So test is a good option or increase cals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryB Posted April 14, 2015 Report Share Posted April 14, 2015 How I was "taught" to use thyroid meds was to measure my body temp every morning and when it dropped I'd take thyroid to keep it consistent and I'd try and run it just under 40degs which was uncomfortable but manageable. T3 is taken on quicker than t4 and more "potent" as the t4 has to convert to t3 to be active and the conversion is something like 4:1 t4:t3. This meant taking more gear and consuming more calories to maintain muscle. For me that meant upping my fats as I'd generally diet on low low carbs. Worked a treat the few times I used it but required a bit too much precision. I've had just as good results without it and not had to manage the catabolic side of taking thyroid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daz69 Posted April 14, 2015 Report Share Posted April 14, 2015 T3 is catabolic in nature (it increases the rate at which leucine is oxidized from intracellular pool which is less than ideal when going for all out growth)...Thats the reason why test should be included while on T3... HarryB 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HarryB Posted April 14, 2015 Report Share Posted April 14, 2015 T3 is catabolic in nature (it increases the rate at which leucine is oxidized from intracellular pool which is less than ideal when going for all out growth)...Thats the reason why test should be included while on T3... Seems redundant to take thyroid when trying to grow for precisely this reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Supersaiyan Posted April 16, 2015 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2015 Yeah, actually my initial experiment was to bulk whilst cutting. However, related to the T3 or not, I have experienced a severe drop in strength and motivation. Which stopped me from Bulking, and only cutting. NOT IDEAL! Albuterol had a positive or neutral affect in terms of training. I like the idea of extra cardio to reduce bf%, but that was not the aim of my experiment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody Posted May 7, 2016 Report Share Posted May 7, 2016 have to agree,the very reason i read forums is to hear personal veiws,whether their right or wrong,still more thought provoking than an insert,,,, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beefneggs Posted May 8, 2016 Report Share Posted May 8, 2016 I dont get this thread where you experimented on a 'rat" lol who was 90 something kgs - but over 20% bf. Wouldnt the experiment have been better if you had of made the rat do the diet option first- then once your base had of been set - introduce the fat burners and then compare? If I read it right 200mcg of T3 a day? Fark thats shit loads no wonder without aas your strength dropped faster than a K road hookers undies T3 plus clen equals gold Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woody Posted June 3, 2016 Report Share Posted June 3, 2016 t hinking of calling the spcapoor thing must be anorexsic and nawing its gums off! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiltonFriedman01 Posted June 8, 2016 Report Share Posted June 8, 2016 For awhile there I actually thought you were giving albuterol to a rat/mouse =O One day I wanna order one of the mice from the genetics labs which has no myostatin gene just to see what happens. I think you have to be an accredited researcher though :( Well better start working on a PhD now then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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