Daz69 Posted May 18, 2014 Report Share Posted May 18, 2014 taper off? Why am I always the last to hear about this stuff lol... Daz, can I ask, when you used the taper off method, did you find test levels always or at least, usually, returned to normal eventually? I guess what Im asking is it considered a safe way to come off?As your endo stated less harmful than PCT drugs.... As exogenous levels slowly decline your HPTA will detect this and upregulate production of LH/FSH naturally...When you apply fairly suppressive compounds like 19-nors, its best to drop them several weeks prior to the testosterone, then begin your taper... Personally, as for my test levels, probably too high, I've got 4 kids.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrgeeky Posted May 18, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 18, 2014 cool post, thanks mate... Kudos given. 4 kids? Rather you than me.. I got one and thats enough for me.. Dont want any more.. .. I take my hat off to you sir.. It can be fun and rewarding but damn is it hard work at times... Dont know how you do it.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinahlady Posted May 20, 2014 Report Share Posted May 20, 2014 Presumably there will still be some of the exogenous testosterone in fat stores or some probably still bound to proteins/SHBG but it wont be at a medical/therapeutic level (so shouldnt be causing any marked effect) ? Is that right Daz? how long would all of that take to clear? And how long does that take to clear on longer acting forms of testosterone - with 14 day half lives etc? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daz69 Posted May 20, 2014 Report Share Posted May 20, 2014 Presumably there will still be some of the exogenous testosterone in fat stores or some probably still bound to proteins/SHBG but it wont be at a medical/therapeutic level (so shouldnt be causing any marked effect) ? Is that right Daz? how long would all of that take to clear? And how long does that take to clear on longer acting forms of testosterone - with 14 day half lives etc? Going back to what Mrgeeky posted:This stuff peaks (orals) at around 4 to 5 hours and starts to decline at aprox 8 hours.. So after having my last cap on Friday at 8.am its now 50 odd hours out from last cap, I'll have stuff all of the medical test in my system...As it was, the Endo said, when he looked at my bloods, that the level of test in my system from the capsules was minimal and that I was running on my own test anyway.. Those bloods were done aprox 14 hours after taking a capsule..I would have thought 14 hrs was cutting it a bit short, personally I'd have given it a few days.. The half-life of the capsules at 4-5 hours accounts for its therapeutic effects, or rather when that effect start to decline.. It doesn't account for residual metabolites still in the blood.. Their clearance is compound specific, but I'm sure a bit longer than 14hrs...Unsure as to how the Endo could determine the difference between test from caps/natural test.??I'm not aware of any compound with a 14 day half-life dlady... Most of the half-life values have been debunked as they were the result of a f*** up on carbon atom calculations by Bill Roberts many years ago.. But with any estered compound 4 X the half-life would put levels pretty low, as far as therapeutic benefits are concerned... (dose dependant)...As a rough guide for half-lifes: factor 6-8 days for long carbon chain compound esters.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinahlady Posted May 20, 2014 Report Share Posted May 20, 2014 Oh I havent really looked at the half lives of all the compounds - just thought I'd seen around that some injectable forms lasted for thereabouts, but was probably from a bad/old source then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrgeeky Posted May 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 20, 2014 Presumably there will still be some of the exogenous testosterone in fat stores or some probably still bound to proteins/SHBG but it wont be at a medical/therapeutic level (so shouldnt be causing any marked effect) ? Is that right Daz? how long would all of that take to clear? And how long does that take to clear on longer acting forms of testosterone - with 14 day half lives etc? Going back to what Mrgeeky posted:This stuff peaks (orals) at around 4 to 5 hours and starts to decline at aprox 8 hours.. So after having my last cap on Friday at 8.am its now 50 odd hours out from last cap, I'll have stuff all of the medical test in my system...As it was, the Endo said, when he looked at my bloods, that the level of test in my system from the capsules was minimal and that I was running on my own test anyway.. Those bloods were done aprox 14 hours after taking a capsule..I would have thought 14 hrs was cutting it a bit short, personally I'd have given it a few days.. The half-life of the capsules at 4-5 hours accounts for its therapeutic effects, or rather when that effect start to decline.. It doesn't account for residual metabolites still in the blood.. Their clearance is compound specific, but I'm sure a bit longer than 14hrs...Unsure as to how the Endo could determine the difference between test from caps/natural test.??I'm not aware of any compound with a 14 day half-life dlady... Most of the half-life values have been debunked as they were the result of a f*** up on carbon atom calculations by Bill Roberts many years ago.. But with any estered compound 4 X the half-life would put levels pretty low, as far as therapeutic benefits are concerned... (dose dependant)...As a rough guide for half-lifes: factor 6-8 days for long carbon chain compound esters.... The endo worked out that I had stuff all external test by looking at my FSH and LH levels.. Hope I got that terminology right.. He said because those figures were high or good, it showed that i was more or less running on own test.. If there were external test in my system those number would be low or as in body building doeses shut down all toghter.. Another words the pituitary gland wasnt shut down, It was doing what it was supposed too... That is my understanding of what he told me... Funny enough I feel better now than when I was on low dose caps.. Energy levels good.. No noticeable loss in strenghth.. Yesterday I pushed my max dumbbell flys for shoulder from my normal 8 reps out to 20 reps... So still making gains.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrgeeky Posted May 20, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 20, 2014 endo make me take my top off.. Im carrying a lot of fat so hard for me to tell how much muscle Im carrying.. He checked me out for gyno... Then he commented that I was carrying a lot of muscle.. Far more than the avearge person.. I said yes I had started to get strict with my protien intake over the last couple of years.. He shook his head and he said, no, thats not from protein, definitely from the test you have been taking. lol.... Wouldnt have thought the caps would make that much diff.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZIDE Posted May 21, 2014 Report Share Posted May 21, 2014 pics af this alleged muscle? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrgeeky Posted May 21, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2014 Opps, me and my big mouth Not that big AZIDE.. I think the endo was just being kind.. But I'll happily put some pics up once I drop some more of this lard.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrgeeky Posted May 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2014 will do a pic for the hell of it.. fat and all.... just got to get around to it.. will do it soon.. hey guys, can any one tell me, does being on TRT mask inflamation... Trained with a sore shoulder and mostly ignored it.. Now that im off, it has flared up... Trained with it all this time no problems although it was starting to get a litte worse towards the end.. Soon as I came off it appeared to get worse a lot quicker.. A few other joints feeling a little achey that I handnt noticed before while I was on.. Does testosterone supplment help mask any injuries/inflamation?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al-ex Posted July 1, 2014 Report Share Posted July 1, 2014 There is only the men's clinic or black market. No one and I mean no one else will give u the pct u need here in nz. So don't waste your time and either source it asap or go see Dr Christian Paltridge at the Men's Clinic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Realtalk Posted July 1, 2014 Report Share Posted July 1, 2014 al-ex wrote:There is only the men's clinic or black market. No one and I mean no one else will give u the pct u need here in nz. So don't waste your time and either source it asap or go see Dr Christian Paltridge at the Men's Clinic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daz69 Posted July 1, 2014 Report Share Posted July 1, 2014 al-ex wrote:There is only the men's clinic or black market. No one and I mean no one else will give u the pct u need here in nz. So don't waste your time and either source it asap or go see Dr Christian Paltridge at the Men's Clinic.What's Christian charge? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Realtalk Posted July 1, 2014 Report Share Posted July 1, 2014 al-ex wrote:There is only the men's clinic or black market. No one and I mean no one else will give u the pct u need here in nz. So don't waste your time and either source it asap or go see Dr Christian Paltridge at the Men's Clinic.What's Christian charge? Email: christian@nzclinics.co.nz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al-ex Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 You have a consult fee of approx $100 the first time and then 5000iu (so 10 shots) hcg for approx $450...so I'm told. He is a very helpful chap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daz69 Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 al-ex wrote:You have a consult fee of approx $100 the first time and then 5000iu (so 10 shots) hcg for approx $450...so I'm told. He is a very helpful chap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al-ex Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 Well that's the legal way...there are always other sources ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrgeeky Posted July 2, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 Before I went on TRT I rang the mens cliinic to make an appointment to see if I could get some advice. I was told only if I went on TRT through them, and then paid for my shots.... I said why? Its funded by the gov for free if needed, why would I pay? They refused to give me that first appointment. So I should imagine they wouldnt help any one wanting to come off TRT with any PCT meds unless you had been paying them for continued treatment.. Either that or the receptionist was away with the fairies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al-ex Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 Hmmm...ok well let's start over. I'd suggest putting it to them that there is no history of trt or that trt wasn't for u and hence now why u wish to go the hcg route coupled with the fact that you are planning a family possibly? (not sure of your age so this may not be feasible ). They will sell hcg straight to some of us that get it right at $500 for 5000iu approx, last time I checked. Sometimes especially In cases like yours, the less u tell them the better!If you really can't get anywhere pm me and I will see what I can sort for you :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al-ex Posted July 2, 2014 Report Share Posted July 2, 2014 Carl Eagleton specialises in diabetes btw not trt or hrs or pct but he us an endo so he should know the ins and outs of ur dilemma but he has no power to prescribe what I need, hcg, even if he wanted to ,Weird huh! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Realtalk Posted July 3, 2014 Report Share Posted July 3, 2014 ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
al-ex Posted July 4, 2014 Report Share Posted July 4, 2014 Lucky you realtalk. A client I'm training just got eph off her Dr due to her sinus issues. ...i really miss Thermolean Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrgeeky Posted July 7, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2014 al-ex wrote:Hmmm...ok well let's start over. I'd suggest putting it to them that there is no history of trt or that trt wasn't for u and hence now why u wish to go the hcg route coupled with the fact that you are planning a family possibly? (not sure of your age so this may not be feasible ). They will sell hcg straight to some of us that get it right at $500 for 5000iu approx, last time I checked. Sometimes especially In cases like yours, the less u tell them the better!If you really can't get anywhere pm me and I will see what I can sort for you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrgeeky Posted July 7, 2014 Author Report Share Posted July 7, 2014 ?Thank you Realtalk, its' nice to come across some one who is prepared to be so nice and helpful. You are one of the good guys. Many thanks.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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