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Doing some research I notice that endo's seem to specialise more in some area's of endocinriology than others....

Im thinking about having a chat to one about my long term use of Orals or possible coming off all together.. But I only want to chat to some one who is knowledgable in the area of TRT..

Anyone have any suggestions in Auckland of which Endo would be worth seeing..  My doc just snatched a couple of names out of his book but couldnt tell me if one would be better than the other


Any thoughts on who is worth seeing please guys?

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At this stage Im thinking of going to see Dr Steven CM Miller on the North Shore in Takapuna. I note on Dr Millers profile he states that he specialises in Hypogonadism which gives me some faith in him. Has anyone heard of him before?





 

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I found an article he wrote about people trying to use doctors to scam roids..  Not that that changes anything.

I was just hoping some of the guys in here might have some one they highly recommend...  Surely messign with roids there will be more than a few of the guys in here that will have had to see endo's over the years??

Failing anyone recommending an endo over the next few days, thats exactly what I was going to do.. Just make an appointment to go and see him..  Cheers Jimmy

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My doc just snatched a couple of names out of his book but couldnt tell me if one would be better than the other

Yeah, it's always difficult when they do that. You don't know who's best, but chances are the GP doesn't know either. It always seems like the medical equivalent of sticking a pin in the Yellow Pages. Tricky situation.

I saw Dr Pat Frengley. He was good, and willing to discuss things. But I've got no idea whether he's a TRT specialist.

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Oh well, will give this guy a shot.. If he's any good I can spread the word. Here's the article he commented in. 

http://www.stuff.co.nz/auckland/local-news/north-shore-times/9096433/Doctor-warn-of-steroid-dangers


I absolutely love the orals but am worried about the long term effects.  Hey Pseudonym, you know how I said my doc had me on 7 tabs a day, 4x40mg in the morn and 3 at night.. I  have been experimenting and managed to get that down to one in the morning and still felt great..  
I currently take the recommended dose of 1 in the morning and 1 at night. 

There has been so much bullshit talk about how useless the orals are and yet I'm making really good gains with my weights.  They are a brilliant solution.. Not sure why many others aren't going this route rather than the injectables.. Will be interesting to see what the endo comes up with.. 

Will post a follow up once I have seen him..  

cheers guys.

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  • 2 weeks later...

FAarrrrkeeeeeeeennnnnnnnnnn helllllllllllllllllllllllll!
Went and seen Dr Miller today.. $460 bucks ouchyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!

He seemed knowledagable in the area of TRT and talked a lot about bodybuilders and roids.

Now you guys will have to bear with me as I might get this all wrong.. Im not educated in this shit but going from memory this is what he had to say with my thoughts included in this lot..

Ok, well he said my fsh and LH werent shut down, and were still at good levels which meant  I was running mainly on my own test..

I thought the fact I was using orals was the reason my pututiary gland wasnt shut down.

He said  the orals didnt offer enough test to do jack shit and he said most of the test in my system was my own. He said if I wanted to just stop taking the shit I could..

Well I tried that before and I crashed and felt like shit.. 

He said so wean your self off then because going by the bloods I had done I dont even need Test.. He went on to say a different story had I been on injectables. Then I would have been shut down and it would have been much harder to come off but on orals he said it should be quite easy. .

I said what about clomid and shit to help me get off it.. He said no, just try weaning your self off as it shouldnt be hard as I'm mainly running on my own test anyway..

So ok, going to try to wean myself off and see what happens..  Not how I enivsaged things to go.. I thought I was probably going to be put on Cyp or reandron. I had intentions of doing a few cycles before going off completely..

He went on to tell me of some tests they had done in older men where the guys in the placebo group had 3 die of heart realated problems.. In the group that were on test, 16 died. A difference way to hight to ignore.. So now they are doign more studies in to the dangers of TRT and he said there are real concerns..  He said even more so with the orals as they dont completely bypass the liver like I thought..

He said orals only partially bypass the liver and their is the real possibility of liver tumours and other issues while taking orals..

So here I am thinking, I have been feeling really really good on the test and am still not 100% sure I want to come off it..
But I would be stupid to ignore the endo's advice so Im going to start weaning myself off and will let you guys know how that works out...

I still dont understand this stuff. If im running mainly on my own test as he said, why did I crash last time I tried to come off it.. Oh, well... If he's right I have been wasting my time on them.. Going to be intersting to see how I feel once I come off...  Will keep you guys up to date..



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you should have just spent the $460 on 20 years worth of 100mg/week (TRT dosed) injectable test. from what ive seen being alive when youre old is shit anyway


My dad sat on the couch from his late 50s and did nothing until he died in his mid 70s.  I cant help but wonder what would have happened had he had his TRT levels checked..

I agree, I cant see myself growing old with out using TRT.. I arent going to spend all day lying on the couch in my final years..  When Im 70 I still intend on going to the gym regularly..

Dr steven Miller did say they were working on more efficient TRT solutions and there were some great break throughs happening..  So perhaps in a few more years time there will be better solutions??  Regardless, Im with you azide, f*ck growing old on the couch..

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What did he say about "bodybuilders" and "Roids"?


Nothing anyone in here would want to hear

lol.. Just talked about how abuse of steroids enlarged the heart and thickend the blood etc.. Then he went on to mention some one who died aged 30 of heart attack through roid abuse. Some strong man dude..

What he didnt mention was the thousands that regularly use roids with out major issues..

I guess there are some dangers to varying degrees, if you abuse anything enough..

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What allows him to charge so much just for a consultation? Sounds like daylight robbery

Was wondering this..how long was the consult?


Didnt time it, but was probably there for 20 minutes..

Still in shock about the price.. Then walked out to see some parking meter dude giving me a ticket for no rego... Didnt realise it was a month out.. $200 fine..

So off to rego ute.. Coz its diesel, $460 odd to relicense..

Expensive day..

 

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Yeah, that cost doesn't surprise me. Seeing an endo privately is unbelievably expensive. Partly that's because they're a specialist at the very top of their game, and partly (I suspect) because they're working in a field so complicated even other doctors are a bit in awe. I'm not saying that's morally right to charge so much, but it is pretty standard.

That, plus your fine and licensing costs... man, that's gotta hurt! :o

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Yeah, that cost doesn't surprise me. Seeing an endo privately is unbelievably expensive. Partly that's because they're a specialist at the very top of their game, and partly (I suspect) because they're working in a field so complicated even other doctors are a bit in awe. I'm not saying that's morally right to charge so much, but it is pretty standard.

That, plus your fine and licensing costs... man, that's gotta hurt! Shock

Yep, could have done with out the bills.. Oh well shit happens some times I guess.

I have emailed Auck transport to see if I can get off. 

I'm down to one cap per day.. Sunday I will take none for the day, Im picking thats when no test is going to kick in and I'll feel like shit.  According to endo that shouldnt happen because Im still producing my own test..  We'll see..

I asked him about PCT for bodybuilders. He said if any bodybuilders came to him looking for PCT he wouldnt give them anything.. He stated the pills bodybuilders use for PCT can cause more issues than they help.. He went on to say its only rare cases that wont return to normal levels of test in time..

yeah but how long??? Weeks and weeks of feeling like shit and being depressed is no fun. And possibility of gyno?

And what percentage wont return to normal levels.. There is a good article I posted in here by a guy who calls himself cashout.. His test returned but not to normal levels..

I suspect after taking Decca alone (yeah dumb ass) for many months, my test although may have returned to normal levels never really did what it was supopsed to leaving me feeling like shit for a long time..  

I think PCT is fairly essential from every thing I have read and understand.. Crossing my fingers the endo is right in my case due to only being on orals and I dont need PCT..  We'll see.

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going to use this post as a diary of coming off TRT - Andriol oral's.

Last cap was yesterday at Friday at 8.am.. 
Thats aprox 28 hours with out a top up..

From medsafe - peak levels reached of aprox 40 nmol/L reached after 4 to 5 hours, and plasma Testosterone levels remain elevated for up to 8 hours..

So surely I'll be running on my own test now????  1.33 PM Saturday..

Had a really good cardio work out this morning.. No diminished stamina and feeling good..

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Well thats it.. Done, Im off.. No crash..
Doc that originally stuck me on 7 x 40mg caps per day offered me no escape strategy and said I was on for life..

I just worked it out, under his regime I have taken over 7000 capsules.. Thats over 10 years worth at the recommended dose..  A bit scarey when you read the med safe data sheet on it.
Possible liver tumours etc.

A big thumbs up to to the endo, he knew exactly what he was talking about..  Makes me feel much better about coughing up the $460 now.. Only wish I had of gone and seen him years ago to get off this shit. I find it hard to understand why none of the doctors I had seen couldnt have told me to simply just wean myself off them.. Roids and TRT are obviously some thing most doctors havent a clue about.

Last bloods that were done before I came off had my test levels at 9 nmol / L
That was aprox 12 hours after last cap..

Endo wants to see my bloods again to see what my test levels eventually come back too.. Over all I feel great but that remains to be seen how that equates to gym work, ie; stamina and strength...

Would this be a possible method of coming off doing a cycle guys.. Just jump on to andriol, then wean your self off them?? Or woud it as I suspect take too long to get tesosterone levels back to normal for any one to consider this option???
 

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on injecables I would agree, but not on orals..
Last time I came off them I felt like utter shit the next day...
That was on 7 caps per day.. 

I lowered that dose down to 2 caps per day and that was what I have been using for the last year so much easier to come off..

This stuff peaks (orals)  at around 4 to 5 hours and starts to decline at aprox 8 hours..
So after having my last cap on Friday at 8.am its now 50 odd hours out from last cap, I'll have stuff all of the medical test in my system...

As it was, the Endo said, when he looked at my bloods, that the level of test in my system from the capsules was minimal and that I was running on my own test anyway..  Those bloods were done aprox 14 hours after taking a capsule..

I hope that makes sense.. So yep, all should be good..  




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A big thumbs up to to the endo, he knew exactly what he was talking about..  Makes me feel much better about coughing up the $460 now.. Only wish I had of gone and seen him years ago to get off this shit. I find it hard to understand why none of the doctors I had seen couldnt have told me to simply just wean myself off them.. Roids and TRT are obviously some thing most doctors havent a clue about.

Would this be a possible method of coming off doing a cycle guys.. Just jump on to andriol, then wean your self off them?? Or woud it as I suspect take too long to get tesosterone levels back to normal for any one to consider this option???

 

Its called taper off.... Drop all other compounds so you are just on a base of testosterone, and then lower the dose over several weeks.... come off........ Easy..!!

Its what us oldies were brought up on... Started in 1981, never used PCT, just a taper off...

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taper off? Why am I always the last to hear about this stuff lol...  

Daz, can I ask, when you used the taper off method, did you find test levels always or at least, usually, returned to normal eventually? 

I guess what Im asking is it considered a safe way to come off?

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