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Can anybody explain to me why roids aren't legal? I don't get it. If you order Nova online from overseas and it gets detained by customs you get a notice saying something about how the product you have ordered is for image enhancement. So what's the deal? That stuff isn't even a steroid, yet some tie wearing policitically correct fat red tape f*cker in the beehive has decided that this product is not going to get into NZ? Why? is he worried that some 20 something will turn himself into a woman conquering f*ck fest and steal his wife??

Why do the powers that run New Zealand decide that these products are such a bad thing? Surely in moderation these products when with the correct advice and sensible use provide the user with good satisfaction and a better existence. Is it because most of the products are administered through a needle, conjuring up all sorts of stereotypes associated with drug use. Most people on a low dose of steroids I'm guessing will report increased feelings of wellbeing, good times with the opposite sex, or whatever your flavour, and minimal negative side effects, so what's the deal?

Surely if we had a country that legalised the use of a good baseline dose of steroids through a GP for image enhancement it would do a lot for tourism. It would become a mecca for bodybuilding comps and sexy women :). If GP's could do this and keep tabs on various side effects, explain the associated risks and monitor cycling on and off, surely it would be a healthy practice, healthier than drinking? probably. I just don't understand why it is deemed illegal for me to want to improve my physique when these products are available. I'm not looking at becoming a P addict and stealing things to fund an addiction. I see it as the way of the modern man or current generation. Fit is good. Any police on this site want to comment?

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you wanna know the truth? you can't handle the truth!!

 

anabolics aren't completely banned, they are what's called a controlled substance. this means you can't go and order it in yourself from underground guys or cheaply overseas.. they want you to go through the system where it can benefit the real pigs that control our world -> pharmaceutical industry. you turn up to a mens clinic with the cash, you'll get what you want

 

there are many drugs which you can't get in. very harmless things, self regulated treatment stuff the pharma companies just don't wanna play that way. they need you to go to your gp/specialist, get a script pay big $$ for their brand (and they can really hike it up because the competition gets dealt with by customs) all about the $$$$$$$$$$$$$$

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Its because we dont live in a truly free society man, govt likes to protect the interests of big pharma. sure we can paralal import worthless junk from china but as soon as you start going for generic pharmaceuticals and the big boys dont get their ridiculously exorbitant cuts then they start getting pissy.

heres what the govt likes to protect - drugs and medicine companies - alcohol and tobacco companies. in the next few decads it will be plants and seeds that grow food as well.

total hypocrisy -  i could kill myself in a year eating maccas for every meal if i wanted and the govt would pick up the medical bill no problems - why is that? because two of its best friends stand to gain - big pharma and the drugs they would sell to treat me and also large internation junk food chains - who they protect by letting them sell their socially iresponsible concoctions which by the way are some of the main cause of the skyrocketing health problem in this country,

f*ck them f*ck them all. majorly pissed off right now because medsafe stopped my polysorbate and ethyl oleate and wont let me have them - they are benign solvents for fucks sake - talk about treating me as guilty without a shred of proof - they are assuming that im up to someting evil.

in this country a woman can kill hier unborn child because its inconvenient (oh yeah AND she has the right to do what she wants with her own body), and i cant tweak my own hormone levels for a quality of life improvement? its bullshit thats what it is.

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Politics and the way people regard risks. The main obstacle isn't pharma corporations, it's the public perception of AAS and AAS users. Although the pharmacy industry would have played their part, people naturally have an aversion to anything that is not natural. Which is why there's such public concern about GM foods, pesticides and nuclear power. To them, the risks are substantial - hormonal shutdown that may be irreversible, gyno, roid rage, infection, abcess, cardiovascular issues, liver/kidney damage - all just for benefits which are superficial.

You all know how stupid some people are. Do you really think that something as potent as anabolic steroids should be available for anybody to purchase at a supplement shop?

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OK. I always thought the Men's Clinic only prescribed a maximum of probably 250 test per week, and to get that you needed to probably go through a testosterone blood test and documented lack of vigour. Are you saying that turning up with the $ they will send you away with Tren, test, a Dbol kickstart? Serious question. Or do they have strict guidelines they must adhere to. Such as, are you a bodybuilder aiming for a competition?, are you an aging gent who is lacking some grunt?.

 

I guess what I'm trying to ask is if someone was to turn up to a Men's Health Clinic, how do you go about getting prescirbed what you need to compete?. I'm not sure if I'm a bit dumb to the ways of the world and this is something that should maybe not be discussed on a forum, but I'd genuinely like to know. If there are legal avenues to obtain compounds used for the sport, then it would be good to discuss how to go about it.

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Politics and the way people regard risks. The main obstacle isn't pharma corporations, it's the public perception of AAS and AAS users. Although the pharmacy industry would have played their part, people naturally have an aversion to anything that is not natural. Which is why there's such public concern about GM foods, pesticides and nuclear power. To them, the risks are substantial - hormonal shutdown that may be irreversible, gyno, roid rage, infection, abcess, cardiovascular issues, liver/kidney damage - all just for benefits which are superficial.

You all know how stupid some people are. Do you really think that something as potent as anabolic steroids should be available for anybody to purchase at a supplement shop?

i think they should be legal but under medical supervision, i envisage something like a mens clinic but lets go ahead and call it a sports clinic. where you can be monitored by a professional given the risks and all the information to assess yourself.

 

alot of the harm caused is purely because of having driven the compounds underground. there is a lot of conflicting information, disinformation, and pure bullshit being floated by various agendas and simple dumbarses. not to mention under dosed crap  non sterile gear and maybe even stuff thats got other undesirables in it. - the scenario i just mentioned would do away with a lot of that stuff right away.

down with prohibition - up with liberty

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Politics and the way people regard risks. The main obstacle isn't pharma corporations, it's the public perception of AAS and AAS users. Although the pharmacy industry would have played their part, people naturally have an aversion to anything that is not natural. Which is why there's such public concern about GM foods, pesticides and nuclear power. To them, the risks are substantial - hormonal shutdown that may be irreversible, gyno, roid rage, infection, abcess, cardiovascular issues, liver/kidney damage - all just for benefits which are superficial.

You all know how stupid some people are. Do you really think that something as potent as anabolic steroids should be available for anybody to purchase at a supplement shop?

i think they should be legal but under medical supervision, i envisage something like a mens clinic but lets go ahead and call it a sports clinic. where you can be monitored by a professional given the risks and all the information to assess yourself.

 

alot of the harm caused is purely because of having driven the compounds underground. there is a lot of conflicting information, disinformation, and pure bullshit being floated by various agendas and simple dumbarses. not to mention under dosed crap  non sterile gear and maybe even stuff thats got other undesirables in it. - the scenario i just mentioned would do away with a lot of that stuff right away.

down with prohibition - up with liberty

This has been done before any remember Aplha clinic 

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Politics and the way people regard risks. The main obstacle isn't pharma corporations, it's the public perception of AAS and AAS users. Although the pharmacy industry would have played their part, people naturally have an aversion to anything that is not natural. Which is why there's such public concern about GM foods, pesticides and nuclear power. To them, the risks are substantial - hormonal shutdown that may be irreversible, gyno, roid rage, infection, abcess, cardiovascular issues, liver/kidney damage - all just for benefits which are superficial.

You all know how stupid some people are. Do you really think that something as potent as anabolic steroids should be available for anybody to purchase at a supplement shop?

i think they should be legal but under medical supervision, i envisage something like a mens clinic but lets go ahead and call it a sports clinic. where you can be monitored by a professional given the risks and all the information to assess yourself.

 

alot of the harm caused is purely because of having driven the compounds underground. there is a lot of conflicting information, disinformation, and pure bullshit being floated by various agendas and simple dumbarses. not to mention under dosed crap  non sterile gear and maybe even stuff thats got other undesirables in it. - the scenario i just mentioned would do away with a lot of that stuff right away.

down with prohibition - up with liberty

This has been done before any remember Aplha clinic 

They sold home brew, wasn't all prescription. Was run but the dodgyest mother fuckers round... Just cause they have a leased building, a carpark for you and a receptionist you think it's legit? Lol  naive. No different to buying from person in ur gym except u paid double the price.

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They ARE legal under medical supervision, just need to have a legit problem with your endocrine system

I have a legit endochronological problem: my testosterone levels are average.

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Politics and the way people regard risks. The main obstacle isn't pharma corporations, it's the public perception of AAS and AAS users. Although the pharmacy industry would have played their part, people naturally have an aversion to anything that is not natural. Which is why there's such public concern about GM foods, pesticides and nuclear power. To them, the risks are substantial - hormonal shutdown that may be irreversible, gyno, roid rage, infection, abcess, cardiovascular issues, liver/kidney damage - all just for benefits which are superficial.

You all know how stupid some people are. Do you really think that something as potent as anabolic steroids should be available for anybody to purchase at a supplement shop?

i think they should be legal but under medical supervision, i envisage something like a mens clinic but lets go ahead and call it a sports clinic. where you can be monitored by a professional given the risks and all the information to assess yourself.

 

alot of the harm caused is purely because of having driven the compounds underground. there is a lot of conflicting information, disinformation, and pure bullshit being floated by various agendas and simple dumbarses. not to mention under dosed crap  non sterile gear and maybe even stuff thats got other undesirables in it. - the scenario i just mentioned would do away with a lot of that stuff right away.

down with prohibition - up with liberty

This has been done before any remember Aplha clinic 

They sold home brew, wasn't all prescription. Was run but the dodgyest mother fuckers round... Just cause they have a leased building, a carpark for you and a receptionist you think it's legit? Lol  naive. No different to buying from person in ur gym except u paid double the price.

Hmmm alpha clinic days = daylight robbery

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Politics and the way people regard risks. The main obstacle isn't pharma corporations, it's the public perception of AAS and AAS users. Although the pharmacy industry would have played their part, people naturally have an aversion to anything that is not natural. Which is why there's such public concern about GM foods, pesticides and nuclear power. To them, the risks are substantial - hormonal shutdown that may be irreversible, gyno, roid rage, infection, abcess, cardiovascular issues, liver/kidney damage - all just for benefits which are superficial.

You all know how stupid some people are. Do you really think that something as potent as anabolic steroids should be available for anybody to purchase at a supplement shop?

i think they should be legal but under medical supervision, i envisage something like a mens clinic but lets go ahead and call it a sports clinic. where you can be monitored by a professional given the risks and all the information to assess yourself.

 

alot of the harm caused is purely because of having driven the compounds underground. there is a lot of conflicting information, disinformation, and pure bullshit being floated by various agendas and simple dumbarses. not to mention under dosed crap  non sterile gear and maybe even stuff thats got other undesirables in it. - the scenario i just mentioned would do away with a lot of that stuff right away.

down with prohibition - up with liberty

This has been done before any remember Aplha clinic 

They sold home brew, wasn't all prescription. Was run but the dodgyest mother fuckers round... Just cause they have a leased building, a carpark for you and a receptionist you think it's legit? Lol  naive. No different to buying from person in ur gym except u paid double the price.

Hmmm alpha clinic days = daylight robbery

Yup... can't even understand how they got away with this? 

One thing I don't understand about men's clinics is how they differ from GPs... is it just that they are more likely to prescribe T to average men? But presumably once they've prescribed, you would return to be managed by your local GP practice, right? And presumably it would be $5 a vial, like another member was quoting. So the high fees that everyone is talking about is just the $300-400 for an appointment?

I'm struggling to see the market for this and how it fits in. Why wouldn't someone just go to an endo through public, if you have a legit problem. And if you don't have a legit problem... sounds unlikely that even men's clinic would prescibe, right?

 

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Because the government in this country has consistently believed the lie that prohibition works.

Those that use AAS are a very small minority in this country, and so the politicians and the masses can turn a blind eye. 

When it comes to marijuana, (which is regularly used by 4-500k Kiwi's) this leads to the supply governed by gangs and other such people. Which is why the tide is turning in that regard. NZ will have at least weed decriminalisation inside 5 years imo.

AAS will probably take a bit longer, due to less people using them, and because there are already legal channels open for people to get them.

As with practically anything, I support substances such AAS, Alcohol and Marijuana to be well regulated so they can be kept from children, blackmarkets be kept to a minimum, tax revenue be taken from consumption, and everything can be done in the open so legitimate substance abusers can actually be helped. If you want to put something into your body, you should be allowed to as long as you aren't harming anyone else and you're paying the associated health costs yourself.

(non-AAS user, non-weed user, etc etc)

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Are you in election campaign mode already, Wookie? Keep on like this, and you'll have me voting Act! :D
 

 and you're paying the associated health costs yourself.

And there-in lies the problem. How do you resolve that? If someone smokes now and develops cancer in 20 years time, do you make them pay for all the treatment? What about alcohol or AAS, where the cause and effect link has not been so strongly established?

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Because the government in this country has consistently believed the lie that prohibition works.

Those that use AAS are a very small minority in this country, and so the politicians and the masses can turn a blind eye. 

When it comes to marijuana, (which is regularly used by 4-500k Kiwi's) this leads to the supply governed by gangs and other such people. Which is why the tide is turning in that regard. NZ will have at least weed decriminalisation inside 5 years imo.

AAS will probably take a bit longer, due to less people using them, and because there are already legal channels open for people to get them.

As with practically anything, I support substances such AAS, Alcohol and Marijuana to be well regulated so they can be kept from children, blackmarkets be kept to a minimum, tax revenue be taken from consumption, and everything can be done in the open so legitimate substance abusers can actually be helped. If you want to put something into your body, you should be allowed to as long as you aren't harming anyone else and you're paying the associated health costs yourself.

(non-AAS user, non-weed user, etc etc)

Couldn't agree with this post more. 

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Are you in election campaign mode already, Wookie? Keep on like this, and you'll have me voting Act! Biggrin

 

 and you're paying the associated health costs yourself.

And there-in lies the problem. How do you resolve that? If someone smokes now and develops cancer in 20 years time, do you make them pay for all the treatment? What about alcohol or AAS, where the cause and effect link has not been so strongly established?

one thing though - if people were registered useres they are also able to be monitord and we have hard numbers avaialbe since its not underground and doctors are recording whats been given. maybe a prereq that the user take part in the study for the greater good of all as part of the requirements to be on a legit steroid program?

 

and yes i agree with user pays for health care if we could do away with subsidising lifestyle illness we would have a lot more money for quality things and those people who have legit illness but are marginalised in smaller number could get the medications they are not currently getting because assholes who eat themselves sick take most of the medical dollars. initially there would be a lot of sorry motherfuckers who couldnt afford a heart transplant and then they become cautionary tales and people start to learn. the current system while fine for 50 years ago is not scaleable in an age where 80% of the shit in the supermarkets is just that... shit. were being offered food that will hurt us at best and kill us in the end by marketers with smiling faces

 

 

body buildersareprobably one of the healthier groups around these days because of the clean diets - just a half formed theory though   :)

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body buildersareprobably one of the healthier groups around these days because of the clean diets - just a half formed theory though   Smile

It's a nice theory, Ketogains (and I've used that same argument myself)... trouble is, I just don't know if it's true.

How many gym athletes do you know who've received ACC treatments? Probably better to ask how many you know that haven't been on ACC... and I'd guess that number would be pretty close to zero.

 

i agree with user pays for health care... initially there would be a lot of sorry motherfuckers who couldnt afford a heart transplant and then they become cautionary tales and people start to learn.

Because that's working really well in the USA. :P

Make it user pays, and what happens? Those that can't afford private health insurance suffer. Those that can afford it get it, only to discover that the insurer wriggles out when they need to make a claim.

So you've had a heart attack? No worries - you've got health insurance. But wait, those blood tests from 10 years ago indicate you were probably on the juice. That means your insurance policy is null and void. No payouts for you... so sorry about that, and we do regret any inconvenience.

 

Sorry Wookie, I don't think I can be an Act supporter after all. I gave it my best shot! :D

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wise words above. 

That's what happens when a system designed to care for sick people is transformed into a system driven to make a profit. 

But it's worth noting that going down the extreme liberal line (ACT) isn't the only way things become legalised. Take prostitution in NZ for example. This was legalised in NZ for many of the reasons given above, and is wholly consistent with a leftist/social ideology. i.e., people will do what they will do, and when keep this outside the law then people do more harm to themselves than they would have if legalised.

This logic only applies to those illegal things that appear to effect the individual alone, such as prostitution, AAS, canabis and others.

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How many gym athletes do you know who've received ACC treatments? Probably better to ask how many you know that haven't been on ACC... and I'd guess that number would be pretty close to zero.

 actually i had 3 acc treatments this year already - im getting slammed by my ego im 41 and work out with a couple of 19 year olds and try to compete with them. one fucked up dead lift put the old back out for a bit, one over zealous calf raise snapped an anterior tibialis. some random elbow thing, but apart from that im pretty healthy on the inside. need to do more stretching and mobilisation instead of getting there late and going for the active warmups

Because that's working really well in the USA. Blum 3

Make it user pays, and what happens? Those that can't afford private health insurance suffer. Those that can afford it get it, only to discover that the insurer wriggles out when they need to make a claim.

So you've had a heart attack? No worries - you've got health insurance. But wait, those blood tests from 10 years ago indicate you were probably on the juice. That means your insurance policy is null and void. No payouts for you... so sorry about that, and we do regret any inconvenience.

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For people who lift weights and do not partake in competitive sports, enhancing ones physical appearance out curiosity to see how massive one can get. Gear should be legal. Make gear legal and impose life ban on anyone caught using in competitive sports.

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