mrgeeky Posted September 15, 2013 Report Share Posted September 15, 2013 http://www.ergo-log.com/antioestrogensolder.htmlGetting older? Take anti-oestrogens with your testosterone As men age they start to react even less well to synthetic testosterone [structural formula shown below] than endocrinologists thought. According to a study done by the manufacturer of ProStrakan/Fortigel testosterone gel, soon to be published in the Journal of Andrology, exogenous testosterone causes a stronger reduction in the body's own production of testosterone the older you get. Older men’s bodies (say 50 and up) react more strongly to testosterone than the bodies of younger men. If you give older men testosterone injections, their cholesterol levels get worse than those in younger men. [J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2005 Feb;90(2):678-88.] What’s more, the concentration of the prostate cancer protein PSA increases more than in young men, and the blood of older men becomes more syrupy as a result of testosterone than the blood of young men. [J Clin Endocrinol Metab. 2008 Mar;93(3):914-9.] As a result, the chance of heart attacks increases. Oh yes, and the positive effects of testosterone, such as muscle build up, are less noticeable in older men than in young men. In the study, 35 men aged between 22 and 73 with a raised LH level and low testosterone were given Fortigel testosterone gel for two weeks consecutively. Every morning they rubbed 3 g gel, which contained 2 percent testosterone, on their legs. The table below shows that after two weeks the older men had less total free testosterone in their systems than the younger men. That’s logical: the older men get, the more SHBG binding protein they make. SHBG neutralises testosterone. Nevertheless the older men’s natural production of testosterone suffered more when they used the testosterone gel than that of the younger men. Below you can see the effect of the gel on the LH level, according to age. LH is a hormone from the pituitary that tells the testes to produce testosterone. The researchers also measured the concentration of estradiol in their subjects’ blood. When they measured the correlation between the amount of estradiol and the LH level they made a very interesting discovery: the concentration of testosterone didn’t correlate negatively with the LH level – but the concentration of estradiol did. It’s pretty clear what that means: give anti-oestrogens to older men who are taking testosterone supplements as well and the problem is solved. Testosterone gels are not used much in the chemical power sports world. Nevertheless, the findings are also interesting for chemical athletes who use stronger stuff than gels. The study makes it clear that anti-oestrogens are useful to chemical athletes as they get older. Source:J Androl. 2009 Dec 3. [Epub ahead of print]. More:Clomid quadrupled testosterone level of over-trained runner 13.10.2009Mangosteen: a powerful natural anti-oestrogen 28.08.2009Nolvadex rejuvenates blood vessels 27.08.2009Testicle size worries? Try a course of Nolvadex + Andriol 20.08.2009Grape Seed Extract inhibits aromatase 05.08.2009One letrozole pill a week quadruples testosterone level 21.07.2009Nolvadex best T-booster of the SERMS 15.07.2009Test tube study: fish oil is anti-estrogenic 13.05.2009Nolvadex may be as dangerous as DES hormone for female bodybuilders 14.12.2008 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pyro Posted September 15, 2013 Report Share Posted September 15, 2013 I think you have easily become the most annoying poster on this site. I swear you just search the net for any article you think could back up an arguement you have over a small issue and post it as the be all and end all.BTW if you are just going to copy paste something, at least make sure the links are correct, and its generally readable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Realtalk Posted September 15, 2013 Report Share Posted September 15, 2013 Your my favourite troll bro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AZIDE Posted September 15, 2013 Report Share Posted September 15, 2013 Your my favourite troll bro.this^ the graphs are a nice touch too, reminiscent of another quality poster Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrgeeky Posted September 15, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2013 I feel the love lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrgeeky Posted September 15, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2013 I think you have easily become the most annoying poster on this site. I swear you just search the net for any article you think could back up an arguement you have over a small issue and post it as the be all and end all.BTW if you are just going to copy paste something, at least make sure the links are correct, and its generally readable. actually I thought that was a good read.. Links are correct, its readable, and from a quality source. It has references? Im a lttle confused as to what your problem is, I thought that was a good read.. No? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pyro Posted September 15, 2013 Report Share Posted September 15, 2013 My post was more relating to the majority of your threads. Most of your links either lead to a blank google page, or just a google search result. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leeroid Posted September 15, 2013 Report Share Posted September 15, 2013 Strong copy pasta Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nate225 Posted September 16, 2013 Report Share Posted September 16, 2013 Mr Geeky reminds me of the early days of Gymrat, who luckily for us learnt pretty quickly and moderated the post for post sake stuff (and then kicked ass and got on stage! *clapping*).Hopefully Mr G can rein in his "obsessive posting / trolling without knowing" issues and become a useful member rather than living up to the description Leeroid gave above....Just sayin from a Mod's POV Mr G - please no be butthurt... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrgeeky Posted September 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 16, 2013 heh heh, no worries guys..I honestly thought some of these posts would be helpful.. That post with cashout's exit strategy claims to have had his TRT exit strategy planned with docotrs and he said when he quit TRT he had NO down time.. None whats so ever.. Infact he claims he put on muscle while coming off TRT... Never heard anyone claim that before so I thought some of these posts would be helpful.. But seriously if they are upsetting people no problem... I'll stop posting them.. No biggy guys... No buthurt nate225, lol... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nate225 Posted September 16, 2013 Report Share Posted September 16, 2013 LOL MG, Don't think anyone's too upset - we just can't keep up with you! I'm sure there have been some quite good posts, definitely created some good discussion. Maybe just slow your roll a little! *biggrin*There's actually some quite well informed TRT docs up this way MG - maybe go talk to one and let them do a little thinking for you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrgeeky Posted September 16, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 16, 2013 LOL MG, Don't think anyone's too upset - we just can't keep up with you! I'm sure there have been some quite good posts, definitely created some good discussion. Maybe just slow your roll a little! There's actually some quite well informed TRT docs up this way MG - maybe go talk to one and let them do a little thinking for you? All good on the TRT front.. Got a good doc at the mo so am happy at the mo..Re docs, One thing I have learnt over the years, dont trust doctors 100%.. I have seen some nasty stuff from them.. Had one do every thing he could to persuade me to undergo an op to cut my thyroid out even though there was nothing wrong with it and he wanted to charge me $7000 for the pleasure.. I refused.. Took 6 months to come right.. All it was, was a thyroid virus... No need to operate at all.. So thats why I still seek my own info on TRT.. I learnt not to rely soley on docs.. I admit to being dumb on a lot of it but its slowly sinking it.. Slowly learning... Anyway, cheers for the kind words nate.. I love your friendly style mate.. *good* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pyro Posted September 16, 2013 Report Share Posted September 16, 2013 heh heh, no worries guys..I honestly thought some of these posts would be helpful.. That post with cashout's exit strategy claims to have had his TRT exit strategy planned with docotrs and he said when he quit TRT he had NO down time.. None whats so ever.. Infact he claims he put on muscle while coming off TRT... Never heard anyone claim that before so I thought some of these posts would be helpful.. But seriously if they are upsetting people no problem... I'll stop posting them.. No biggy guys... No buthurt nate225, lol... LOL not upsetting at all, just remember don't read one article and think it is 100% accurate and the only way of going about things. I'm sure the more reasearch you do and the more reading you do you will see many varying opinions and ways to achieve similar results. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrgeeky Posted September 17, 2013 Author Report Share Posted September 17, 2013 heh heh, no worries guys..I honestly thought some of these posts would be helpful.. That post with cashout's exit strategy claims to have had his TRT exit strategy planned with docotrs and he said when he quit TRT he had NO down time.. None whats so ever.. Infact he claims he put on muscle while coming off TRT... Never heard anyone claim that before so I thought some of these posts would be helpful.. But seriously if they are upsetting people no problem... I'll stop posting them.. No biggy guys... No buthurt nate225, lol... LOL not upsetting at all, just remember don't read one article and think it is 100% accurate and the only way of going about things. I'm sure the more reasearch you do and the more reading you do you will see many varying opinions and ways to achieve similar results.Yes mummy. :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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