Going for a cycle

[Dontrunwithknives]

Starting up a bulking cycle shortly and thought I would start a log to keep track of things. It's my first cycle after the year off I had from weight training, third cycle in total. Went from 89kg down to 72kg during the period where I wasn't in the gym. The first attached picture is from March 2013 showing me at around the 73kg mark. The second attached pictures were taken at the end of July 2013 after around four months progress and weighing 77kg.

Current Stats (05/08/13):

• Age: 22
• Height: 179cm
• Weight: 77.2kg

Cycle:

• Week 1 - 5: Dianabol @ 40mg/day
• Week 1 - 16: Boldenone @ 800mg/week
• Week 1 - 18: Testosterone Enanthate @ 500mg/week
• Week 16 - 20: Anavar @ 40mg/day

 

Ancilliaries:

• Week 4 - 19: Arimidex @ 0.25mg/EOD
• Week 20: Arimidex @ 0.125mg/EOD
• Week 4 - 19: hCG @ 400iu/week

 

PCT:

• Week 21: Clomid @ 100mg/day
• Week 22 - 25: Clmoid @ 50mg/day
• Week 21 - 25: Nolvadex @ 20mg/day

 

Feel free to let me know what you think or ask questions about the stack.

 

 

[Terrymundo]

personally I would simplify things a little:

1-20 TestE 500mg EW

1-20 Boldenone 600mg EW

1-5 DBol 30mgED

1-20 Adex dosed as required (start very low)

Then the PCT as stated (or just cruise*diablo*)

I wouldn't bother with anavar as the  "bang for buck" isn't great. Maybe just throw in Stanz at 50mg for the last few weeks. Forget HCG (see Daz's comments in the other thread, not sure which one). I'd say the two cycles will give amost the same result  but mine will leave your pocket in better health. Also I would consider running Deca over bold as it works much better as a bulk at even at lower dosages (300mgEW) for me Bold really dosn't start shinning till around 700mg EW, plus bitches love the bloat.

[Murhf]

Looks like a great cycle, and well thought out. Nice to see all the AIs and PCT.  Iam abit of a fan of EQ and I.d say the difference of an extra 100mgs is worth using. 600mgs works but it seems to be one of those drugs that comes into its own over 700mgs-1600mgs. Dn.t know much about Anavar, its not that popular due to it not being that great. Me personally I.d cruise on Nolva or ArimIdex also, bitch tits suck.

Its great to see you wanting to track you progress. I look forward to following it.

[Leeroid]

I don't really see the point of chucking in a "cutting" drug at the end. If this is going to be a bulking cycle, you'll probably be at least 15% by the time you include your winny or var. Isn't the point of winny or var to harden the physique up while already ripped? I thought you wouldn't see much results as whatever hardening effects there may be will be covered by a thick layer of fat?

[rapz]

yea i would stick with the wetter compounds for your bulk bro, embrace the bloat *yahoo*

unless you know your getting legit var i wouldnt bother with it, money is better spent on other stuff like more EQ, cos at that dose the gains will be fairl slow, and i notice with EQ you wont really notice a huge amount if your not lean already.  700-1g is nice.

Deca would be a nice addition if money isnt a problem and you can handle 19-nors ok.

 

 

 

[rapz]

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[Dontrunwithknives]

personally I would simplify things a little:

1-20 TestE 500mg EW

1-20 Boldenone 600mg EW

1-5 DBol 30mgED

1-20 Adex dosed as required (start very low)

I don't mind the complexity, everything is set out the way it is for a reason. The Boldenone will still be active for 3-4weeks after the last shot due to the long undecylenate ester so that's why I'm stopping it earlier than the Test E.

Also I would consider running Deca over bold

Yeh I did consider it. Decided on the Boldenone for a couple of reasons. This is more of a long clean(ish) bulk so Boldenone's ability to increase appetite will help me get more good food in. I prefer not to bloat and then drop it at the end of the cycle (I also have some decent stretch marks which would get worse). If this was a short dirty bulk I would have went for Deca over Boldenone. Plus Rapz just reminded me I want to stay away from 19-nors until I get a few more cycles under my belt.

Forget HCG (see Daz's comments in the other thread, not sure which one).

I have seen the post and I still think the hCG is a good idea. Yes if it is used for long periods of time and as the dose increases it is more likely you will desensitise or damage leydig cells. I'm running a low dose just to keep a bit of function during this 20 week cycle and if everything goes well, speed up recovery. I found this link on hCG useful: https://www.muscle-research.com/showthread.php?1002-HCG-Explained-!

for me Bold really dosn't start shinning till around 700mg EW

Iam abit of a fan of EQ and I.d say the difference of an extra 100mgs is worth using. 600mgs works but it seems to be one of those drugs that comes into its own over 700mgs-1600mgs.

From the research I did it looked like 600mg was ok but I will follow your advice and I'm going to bump it up to 800mg.

I don't really see the point of chucking in a "cutting" drug at the end. If this is going to be a bulking cycle, you'll probably be at least 15% by the time you include your winny or var. Isn't the point of winny or var to harden the physique up while already ripped? I thought you wouldn't see much results as whatever hardening effects there may be will be covered by a thick layer of fat?

Adding an oral at the end of a cycle seems to be quite common with anavar being a popular choice. I'm using it as a bridge between the PCT (due to the short active life it can be used right up to the PCT). I'm also using it for a bit of a boost and to tidy up some of the bulk at the end.

 

Thanks for the feedback *good*

[rapz]

 

Also I would consider running Deca over bold

Yeh I did consider it. Decided on the Boldenone for a couple of reasons. This is more of a long clean(ish) bulk so Boldenone's ability to increase appetite will help me get more good food in. I prefer not to bloat and then drop it at the end of the cycle (I also have some decent stretch marks which would get worse). If this was a short dirty bulk I would

bulking should never be dirty, yes a bit more flexible in terms of what we eat, otherwise your just asking to get fat,

also on a side note, EQ doesnt always increase hunger, some people it does and for others it dont.

good luck with the cycle

[Dontrunwithknives]

 

 

Also I would consider running Deca over bold

Yeh I did consider it. Decided on the Boldenone for a couple of reasons. This is more of a long clean(ish) bulk so Boldenone's ability to increase appetite will help me get more good food in. I prefer not to bloat and then drop it at the end of the cycle (I also have some decent stretch marks which would get worse). If this was a short dirty bulk I would

bulking should never be dirty, yes a bit more flexible in terms of what we eat, otherwise your just asking to get fat,

also on a side note, EQ doesnt always increase hunger, some people it does and for others it dont.

good luck with the cycle

Badly worded, just meant I want a quality lean bulk over maximum size.

[Murhf]

When are you starting? Would you mind listing not just the pros but maybe some of the negs like bloat ect, Iam interested to see when it kicks in, plus your strenght gains also.

[AZIDE]

what were your other cycles and do you have a pic of you when you were 89kg?

surprised that you havent gotten criticism yet re. your stats and past gear use/planned use.

Ignoring this, why are you so unwilling to use tren or deca? as far as i am aware doing more cycles first wont make you less succeptable to the possible side effects

[Dontrunwithknives]

When are you starting? Would you mind listing not just the pros but maybe some of the negs like bloat ect, Iam interested to see when it kicks in, plus your strenght gains also.

Tomorrow. And yeh, will do.

what were your other cycles and do you have a pic of you when you were 89kg?

surprised that you havent gotten criticism yet re. your stats and past gear use/planned use.

Ignoring this, why are you so unwilling to use tren or deca? as far as i am aware doing more cycles first wont make you less succeptable to the possible side effects

First cycle was 12 weeks Test E @ 500mg/week and first 5 weeks Dbol @ 30mg ED.

Second cycle was the same but I was going to run it a bit longer (ended up cutting it short).

So basically I'm adding in the Boldenone this time and I will be able to see how I react to the single new compound all the way up until I add the Anavar. Then at the end I can see the effects of the Anavar (if it's legit). 

I'm not unwilling to use Tren or Deca as such. Just personal preference that I don't want to use them right now, I prefer to worry about progesterone gyno at a later date (maybe next cycle *biggrin* ).

The attached pics were when I was around 85kg, last pic was a bit lighter but gives you an idea of legs.

 

[AZIDE]

oh yep nice. be interesting to see what you look like in 20 weeks. never used eq myself

[Dontrunwithknives]

First day of the cycle today *biggrin*

[yeelang]

Looks good, enjoy!

[Dontrunwithknives]

Back and Biceps - 07/08/13

 

Barbell Bent Over Row

​Bar x 12, 60kg x 12, 80kg x 6, 90kg x 5, 100kg x 3, 80kg x 6, 60kg x 12, 60kg x 10, 60kg x 10

Seated 1-Arm Lat Pulldown

60lbs x 12, 90lbs x 12, 120lbs x 6, 150lbs x 12, 180lbs x 6

Seated Lat Pulldow (wide grip)

150lbs x 12, 180lbs x 12, 180lbs x 12, 180lbs x 12 ss 180 x 6 (under norm girp)

Alt Dumbbell Bicep Curl

20kg x 6, 20kg x 6

Seated Lat Pulldown (under grip)

180lbs x 12, 180lbs x 12

Alt Dumbbell Bicep Curl

20kg x 6, 20kg x 6

Pullup (close parallel grip)

BW x 12

Straight Bar Cable Curl

120lbs x 8 ds 90lbs x 4

Mega Bicep Set©

10kg x 6

[Dontrunwithknives]

Legs - 08/08/12

 

Squat

BW x 20, Bar x 12, 60kg x 12, 80kg x 4, 80kg x 6, 80kg x 6, 60kg x ,8

Horizontal Leg Press Machine

80lbs x 12, 120lbs x 12, 140lbs x 8, 120lbs x 12, 80lbs x 12

Horizontal Leg Press Machine Calf Raise

80lbs x 12

Horizontal Leg Press Machine Single Leg Calf Raise

60lbs x 8, 60lbs x 8, 60lbs x 8

Front Squat

40kg x 8, 40kg x 8, 40kg x 8

 

First time training legs in a long time that's why the weights are so light (right foot was a bit fucked from MMA training and I have been resting it, still not %100 but it seemed to handle it fine). Hammys were really tight when I started the squats but they loosened up a bit during the session.

Couple of leg pics attached. Nothing special but I'm happy they have held a bit of size, really looking forward to building them back up.

 

[Dontrunwithknives]

Chest and Triceps - 09/08/13

 

Dumbbell Bench Press

17.5kg x 12, 25kg x 8, 30kg x 6, 35kg x 6, 40kg x 6, 40kg x 4, 35kg x 7

Incline EZ Bar Press (close grip) SS Cable X Over (7,3)

30kg x 12 ss 6P x 12, 40kg x 12 ss 8.P x 12, 50kg x 6 ss 10P x 6, 40kg x 10 ss 8.P x 9

Cable Tricep Straight Bar Pushdown

120lbs x 12 ss 180lbs x 6, 180lbs x 10, 180lbs x 8 ds 120lbs x 8 ds 60lbs x 8

Cable Tricep Rope Pushdown SS Dip

90lbs x 12 ss BW x 18, 60lbs x 14 ss BW x 12, 60lbs x 16 ss BW x 10

Bent Over Barbell Tricep Kickback

Bar x 20

[Leeroid]

Good hamstring sweep. Looking forward to your progress.

[Murhf]

Theres alot of potential there.

[Dontrunwithknives]

Back and Biceps - 10/08/13

 

Barbell Bent Over Row (under grip)

Bar x 12, 60kg x 12, 80kg x 6, 90kg x 4, 100kg x 6, 90kg x 8, 80kg x 12, 80kg x 12, 80kg x 10, 60kg x 12

Pullup (wide grip)

BW x 8, BW x 8, BW x 8

Barbell Bicep Curl

Bar x 12, 30kg x 10 (forearm exploding)

Cable Straight Arm Rope Pushdown

90lbs x 12, 120lbs x 10, 90lbs x 12

Alt Dumbbell Bicep Curl

17.5kg x 6, 22.5kg x 3

Cable 1 Arm Seated Pulldown

150lbs x 12, 150lbs x 8

Barbell Reverse Bicep Curl SS Barbell Bicep Curl

Bar x 12 ss Bar x 12

Face Pull SS Alt X Chest Hammer Curl

120lbs x 12 ss 20kg x 6, 120lbs x 12 ss 20kg x 6, 120lbs x 15 ds 90lbs x 12 ss 20kg x 6

Mega Bicep Set©

12.5kg x 6

Cable Back X Over

3P x 16 ds 2P x 4

Barbell Bicep Curl

Bar x 25 (fast)

[Dontrunwithknives]

Shoulders and Traps - 11/08/13

 

Seated Dumbbell Shoulder Press

15kg x 12, 20kg x 6, 25kg x 10, 25kg x 9, 25kg x 7, 20kg x 8, 15kg x 12

Standing EZ Bar Press SS Rear Delt Fly

30kg x 12 ss 15kg x 12, 40kg x 10 ss 20kg x 12, 40kg x 6 ss 20kg x 10, 30kg x 12 ss 17.5kg x 10

Leaning 1 Arm Dumbbell Lat Raise SS Cable Upright Row

10kg x 10 ss 120lbs x 12, 10kg x 10 ss 120lbs x 10, 10kg x 10 ss 120lbs x 7

Dumbbell Shrugs

35kg x 20, 45kg x 15, 65kg x 12, 65kg x 12, 40kg x 12

[Dontrunwithknives]

Chest and Triceps - 13/08/13

 

Bench Press

Bar x 25, 40kg x 12, 60kg x 12, 70kg x 6, 80kg x 6

Dumbbell Bench Press

30kg x 8, 35kg x 8, 40kg x 5, 40kg x 4, 35kg x 5

Cable Tricep Straight Bar Pushdown

150lbs x 12, 180lbs x 8, 180lbs+10kg x 7, 180lbs x 12

Incline Dumbbell Fly

15kg x 12, 20kg x 8, 20kg x 8, 15kg x 12

Cable X Over (7,3) SS Cable Tricep Rope Pushdown

6P x 12 ss 120lbs x 12, 8.P x 12 ss 150lbs x 12, 6P x 12 ss 120lbs x 12

Dip SS Cable Tricep Thin Rope Pushdown

BW x 20 ss 75lbs x 12, BW x 15 ss 75lbs x 12, BW x 12 ss 75lbs x 12

Bent Over Barbell Kickback

Bar x 25

 

Feeling a little bit fuller and harder already. Was 80kg today, had a rest day yesterday and ate 3500cals which bumped my weight up pretty quick. Going to try keep cals around 3000 - 3200 at this stage.

[Dontrunwithknives]

Legs - 14/08/13

 

Squat

Bar x 12, 60kg x 12, 80kg x 6, 100kg x 8, 110kg x 5, 120kg x 2+1part, 130kg x 1, 100kg x 5, 80kg x 12

Horizontal Leg Press Machine

90lbs x 12, 120lbs x 12, 140lbs x 10, 160lbs x 5, 140lbs x 8, 120lbs x 12

Horizontal Leg Press Machine Calf Raise

80lbs x 12 (heels out), 80lbs x 12 (heels in), 80lbs x 12

Horizontal Leg Press Machine Single Leg Calf Raise

50lbs x 12, 60lbs x 12, 50lbs x 12

 

Everything felt better this time. Really enjoyed the squats, looking forward to increasing the weight.

[Dontrunwithknives]

Back and Lats - 15/08/13

 

Bent Over Row (under grip)

Bar x 12, 60kg x 12, 80kg x 6, 90kg x 4, 100kg x 6, 80kg x 12, 80kg x 10, 80kg x 8, 60kg x 14, 60kg x 12, 60kg x 10

Alt Dumbbell Bicep Curl

17.5kg x 6, 22.5kg x 5, 20kg x 6, 17.5kg x 6

Cable Straight Arm Rope Pushdown

90lbs x 12, 120lbs x 12, 120lbs x 12, 120lbs x 12, 90lbs x 12

Cable Rope Hammer Curl

90lbs x 12, 120lbs x 12, 90lbs x 12

Face Pull SS Barbell Bicep Curl (reverse grip)

90lbs x 12 ss Bar x 12, 120lbs x 12 ss Bar x 12, 90lbs x 12 ss Bar x 12

Cable Back X Over SS Barbell Bicep Curl

3P x 12 ss Bar x 12, 2P x 12 ss Bar x 12

Pullup

BW x 8

 

1 week in. Couple of pics attached, obviously not much of a difference yet.