shoulder roataor cuff tendinitis?

[Imadeapoopsie]

any1 have this

just got back into it after 9 months off. now whenever i train with light weight(10kg dumbbells), i seem to damage myself again... probably because im still training to muscle failure..

i used to use 50kg dumbbells for incline bench press and suprised that now im injuring myself with these baby weights lol

first time i got back into it, i had hurt tricep.. got stiff next day after workout couldnt bend arms without pain. so went out of gym again for a week and it went away 90pct

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got back again then hurt bicep lol again same thing 1 week off and backk into it 90pct

AND NOW its my rotator cuff thats hurting.. and its been 4 days now but scared becus this time felt a bit of weakness and slight pain in cuff and side of shoulder and area of proximal bicep, pain increase with activity... and ive heard bad things about this joint

any1 know if its rotator cuff and how long willl this take to go and what i should do about it..

next time i wont train to muscle failure even with lightweights if i can heal this rotar cuff soon hopefully...

[Imadeapoopsie]

im goign to build my strength slowly with light weight AND light intensity too this time, if this cuff doesnt fk me up

[FellowshipOfTheRon]

i'm just guessing anyway i'm not a phsyio or anything but the bicep, tricep and shoulder pain when getting back in to it suggests mobility issues right away.

you've been out of it for a while huh, have you been keeping up with your stretching in that time? it might seem ridiculous but 9 months is ages in terms of mobility (unless your daily job involves quite a range of motion which for most people is not the case).

good work in looking after the rotator cuffs with the light work, warming them up adequately and training them every now and then should always be part of peoples plan.. as a bit of investment for training longevity

that face in your avatar is so..... distracting . what kind of expression is that even

[Imadeapoopsie]

i'm just guessing anyway i'm not a phsyio or anything but the bicep, tricep and shoulder pain when getting back in to it suggests mobility issues right away.

you've been out of it for a while huh, have you been keeping up with your stretching in that time? it might seem ridiculous but 9 months is ages in terms of mobility (unless your daily job involves quite a range of motion which for most people is not the case).

good work in looking after the rotator cuffs with the light work, warming them up adequately and training them every now and then should always be part of peoples plan.. as a bit of investment for training longevity

that face in your avatar is so..... distracting . what kind of expression is that even

no i have been pretty much sleeping all day because i got depressed.. so dang u must be dead right

i guess ur talking sarcastically about taking care of my rotator cuffs .. totally forgot how important that was after all that time off forgot to do my rotator cuff rotation warm ups and stretching

sorry i think that face was a mega duck face haha

[FellowshipOfTheRon]

i'm just guessing anyway i'm not a phsyio or anything but the bicep, tricep and shoulder pain when getting back in to it suggests mobility issues right away.

you've been out of it for a while huh, have you been keeping up with your stretching in that time? it might seem ridiculous but 9 months is ages in terms of mobility (unless your daily job involves quite a range of motion which for most people is not the case).

good work in looking after the rotator cuffs with the light work, warming them up adequately and training them every now and then should always be part of peoples plan.. as a bit of investment for training longevity

that face in your avatar is so..... distracting . what kind of expression is that even

no i have been pretty much sleeping all day because i got depressed.. so dang u must be dead right

i guess ur talking sarcastically about taking care of my rotator cuffs .. totally forgot how important that was after all that time off forgot to do my rotator cuff rotation warm ups and stretching

sorry i think that face was a mega duck face haha

lol most mega of mega duck faces thats for sure

i wasnt being sarcastic about the r/c stuff it was in reply to your last post how you said youre gonna do rc work with light weights and low intensity. i was just meaning its a good habbit to get yourself in to when getting back in to lifting

[Imadeapoopsie]

i'm just guessing anyway i'm not a phsyio or anything but the bicep, tricep and shoulder pain when getting back in to it suggests mobility issues right away.

you've been out of it for a while huh, have you been keeping up with your stretching in that time? it might seem ridiculous but 9 months is ages in terms of mobility (unless your daily job involves quite a range of motion which for most people is not the case).

good work in looking after the rotator cuffs with the light work, warming them up adequately and training them every now and then should always be part of peoples plan.. as a bit of investment for training longevity

that face in your avatar is so..... distracting . what kind of expression is that even

no i have been pretty much sleeping all day because i got depressed.. so dang u must be dead right

i guess ur talking sarcastically about taking care of my rotator cuffs .. totally forgot how important that was after all that time off forgot to do my rotator cuff rotation warm ups and stretching

sorry i think that face was a mega duck face haha

lol most mega of mega duck faces thats for sure

i wasnt being sarcastic about the r/c stuff it was in reply to your last post how you said youre gonna do rc work with light weights and low intensity. i was just meaning its a good habbit to get yourself in to when getting back in to lifting

oh haha sweet, strong facials due to tensing too hard lol

anyway just hope this RC pain goes away in a week or so or gonna go mad

[Imadeapoopsie]

dam i thought RC was a common injury

guess no one knows what i have

[Optimass]

im goign to build my strength slowly with light weight AND light intensity too this time, if this cuff doesnt fk me up

I'd get it diagnosed first.

I have injured left and right rotators. Done left twice - second time was a real c*nt and made a loud snapping noise. 3 hours later I couldn't raise my arm over my shoulder. (Had benched 240kg and had attempted a 265kg raw when injured - hence the loud noise)

Using a barbell for bench or doing compound exercises like dips and press up were impossible on my left after the second injury - as was lateral and front raises - no chance for flyies. The best I could manage was 20kg flat dumbell press - which I did twice a week for about 4 months before I could do a lateral raise without too much discomfort.

I found rotator exercises did f*ck all after the injury - its a preventative exercise imo.

This injury has haunted me for the last 14 years and is a psychological barrier now - it aches the wider I go on bench but doesn't seem to be affected by doing 40kg d/b flyes :grin:

If thats exactly what you have done then it sounds mild and you should take your time to build it up slowly. I have heard of people getting them operated on but with the outcome of not being able to train for very long time after. I always warm up with dumbells as a result and fortunate I still have a compelling bench for comp.

But as stated above - go get it checked if you haven't already - no point in applying remediable action if it isn't what you think it is.

[Imadeapoopsie]

im goign to build my strength slowly with light weight AND light intensity too this time, if this cuff doesnt fk me up

I'd get it diagnosed first.

I have injured left and right rotators. Done left twice - second time was a real c*nt and made a loud snapping noise. 3 hours later I couldn't raise my arm over my shoulder. (Had benched 240kg and had attempted a 265kg raw when injured - hence the loud noise)

Using a barbell for bench or doing compound exercises like dips and press up were impossible on my left after the second injury - as was lateral and front raises - no chance for flyies. The best I could manage was 20kg flat dumbell press - which I did twice a week for about 4 months before I could do a lateral raise without too much discomfort.

I found rotator exercises did f*ck all after the injury - its a preventative exercise imo.

This injury has haunted me for the last 14 years and is a psychological barrier now - it aches the wider I go on bench but doesn't seem to be affected by doing 40kg d/b flyes :grin:

If thats exactly what you have done then it sounds mild and you should take your time to build it up slowly. I have heard of people getting them operated on but with the outcome of not being able to train for very long time after. I always warm up with dumbells as a result and fortunate I still have a compelling bench for comp.

But as stated above - go get it checked if you haven't already - no point in applying remediable action if it isn't what you think it is.

dam that suks, but you sir are really strong!

so youre right rotator is still fine. how long did it take to heal the first time you injured it.

that sounds like good news if u still have an incredible bench and good u can do heavy flies heavy

for me i can raise my hand above shoulder and the pain starts building up slowly but not so painful to limit overhead movements

thank you for that. i will see my physio for yet another injury (i didnt want to trouble her with another injury but guess i have to)

[Optimass]

first time left and right was about 8 to 12 weeks light work about 70% and no failure sets on shoulders and chest compounds.

Took just over 6 months when I did it full on.

It sounds very mild if you have ROM with little to no pain.

May also consider an Osteopath as they work with the muscle similar to physio but through movement. Last year I popped a rib and sprained a few muscles in my neck during a deadlift and I found the treatment a bit more functional as he knew I was unlikely to want to stop lifting in order to correct it. Still cover under ACC

[Imadeapoopsie]

first time left and right was about 8 to 12 weeks light work about 70% and no failure sets on shoulders and chest compounds.

Took just over 6 months when I did it full on.

It sounds very mild if you have ROM with little to no pain.

May also consider an Osteopath as they work with the muscle similar to physio but through movement. Last year I popped a rib and sprained a few muscles in my neck during a deadlift and I found the treatment a bit more functional as he knew I was unlikely to want to stop lifting in order to correct it. Still cover under ACC

so u went 70pct lighter

and do u mean it took you 6 months to get back to full strength?

or 6 months while lifting heavy to heal it

i havent really tried lifting though ever since the injury.. scared it would cause a lot of pain

i mite try some back work this monday though since it probably is mild and hope there is no pain

ill have a look into oseopaths sounds interesting cheers again for the help

[Optimass]

it took you 6 months to get back to 90% strength from where it was - I have rarely been 200+ on bench for 1RMs since. (3 weeks ago for a single - 7 years ago I could do 3-4 quick reps @ 200kg - age taking its toll too me thinks)

[Imadeapoopsie]

it took you 6 months to get back to 90% strength from where it was - I have rarely been 200+ on bench for 1RMs since. (3 weeks ago for a single - 7 years ago I could do 3-4 quick reps @ 200kg - age taking its toll too me thinks)

i thought u said it haunted you for 14 years or did it get worse 7 years ago

i dont know how long mine is going to last...

if it took u 6 months to recover 90 % while lifting 70%intensity then hopefully i can do the same, although like u said mines are probably mild so hopefully it takes a few weeks

but thats a dam good bench to have with an injured shoulder, amazing

[Kalidane]

Not really sure how you can fix it without a diagnosis.

I just got back from x-ray and ultrasound and have an inflamed bursa, excess fluid, and a small muscle tear. This is pretty much what the physio was thinking but with it all confirmed it's onwards with rest and recovery.

We really can't diagnose your injury as well as a professional in person and some imaging. Go see the experts bro

[quadrant6]

Yeah, I think you need to get it checked out.

That said, personally physio as method of treatment has almost always been a complete waste of time in my experience.

Look into trigger points.

For me this book and a tennis/lacrosse ball have been a life-saver.

[Imadeapoopsie]

Not really sure how you can fix it without a diagnosis.

I just got back from x-ray and ultrasound and have an inflamed bursa, excess fluid, and a small muscle tear. This is pretty much what the physio was thinking but with it all confirmed it's onwards with rest and recovery.

We really can't diagnose your injury as well as a professional in person and some imaging. Go see the experts bro

ive been reading a lot about my symptoms and what you have sounds exactly what i suspect i have... the muscle tear part maybe.. but i can raise my hand over my head.

how long do u plan to wait b4 u start lifting? or will u be doing light exercises/avoid some exercise?

[Imadeapoopsie]

Yeah, I think you need to get it checked out.

That said, personally physio as method of treatment has almost always been a complete waste of time in my experience.

Look into trigger points.

For me this book and a tennis/lacrosse ball have been a life-saver.

i simply use the physio to diagnose my problem to determine if its safe to get exercise or not. i think treatments are always just a temporary good feel, i know rest/light exercise are usually the best cure

[Kalidane]

Not really sure how you can fix it without a diagnosis.

I just got back from x-ray and ultrasound and have an inflamed bursa, excess fluid, and a small muscle tear. This is pretty much what the physio was thinking but with it all confirmed it's onwards with rest and recovery.

We really can't diagnose your injury as well as a professional in person and some imaging. Go see the experts bro

ive been reading a lot about my symptoms and what you have sounds exactly what i suspect i have... the muscle tear part maybe.. but i can raise my hand over my head.

how long do u plan to wait b4 u start lifting? or will u be doing light exercises/avoid some exercise?

With any inflammation issue it probably makes sense to do nothing to aggravate the site. Once swelling has gone down and things are back to normal it is then time to start strengthening things (my rhomboids suck). Doing anything to increase the swelling just makes it all take longer to come right. It's not a serious injury at all, it just takes a little rest unless I make it worse at work or in the gym.

The ultrasound guy reckoned I'd be a good candidate for a shot of corticosteroids so I'll have to visit the GP again to make that happen. That should get things back to normal a lot sooner so I can work and train again.

I'm not going to use my shoulders until they are pain free with full ROM. I need shoulders for work so I'm focussing on letting them come right as quickly as possible so I can earn again.

[Imadeapoopsie]

Not really sure how you can fix it without a diagnosis.

I just got back from x-ray and ultrasound and have an inflamed bursa, excess fluid, and a small muscle tear. This is pretty much what the physio was thinking but with it all confirmed it's onwards with rest and recovery.

We really can't diagnose your injury as well as a professional in person and some imaging. Go see the experts bro

ive been reading a lot about my symptoms and what you have sounds exactly what i suspect i have... the muscle tear part maybe.. but i can raise my hand over my head.

how long do u plan to wait b4 u start lifting? or will u be doing light exercises/avoid some exercise?

With any inflammation issue it probably makes sense to do nothing to aggravate the site. Once swelling has gone down and things are back to normal it is then time to start strengthening things (my rhomboids suck). Doing anything to increase the swelling just makes it all take longer to come right. It's not a serious injury at all, it just takes a little rest unless I make it worse at work or in the gym.

The ultrasound guy reckoned I'd be a good candidate for a shot of corticosteroids so I'll have to visit the GP again to make that happen. That should get things back to normal a lot sooner so I can work and train again.

I'm not going to use my shoulders until they are pain free with full ROM. I need shoulders for work so I'm focussing on letting them come right as quickly as possible so I can earn again.

hmm sounds like mine is a little bit less serious my ROM is pretty good and it takes a little time for a slight pain to come on after i rotate my arms about.

The main problem is a sort of mild catching discomfort near RC.

I think i will take another week off or more now since it did get aggravated when i tried doing pulling exercises.

I dont know about cortisone ive heard it only a short time relief for 3 months, it slows down healing and weakens youre joint/soft tissue. It makes u ignore pain and so makes it more likely for you to cause further damage... at least that what i read a lot.

[PainFades]

I dont know about cortisone ive heard it only a short time relief for 3 months, it slows down healing and weakens youre joint/soft tissue. It makes u ignore pain and so makes it more likely for you to cause further damage... at least that what i read a lot.

I'm not sure if the cortisone does weaken joints or not, but the rest of your concern is spot on. A while back I tore my RH supraspinatus tendon slightly, and the ortho specialist put in a shot of xylocaine. It gave me almost pain-free movement and stopped my shoulder "clicking" within a couple of hours.

My mistake was over-confidence from the lack of pain, and I increased my weights back up to pre-injury levels far too soon. Predictably, I tore it worse and had to totally stop training upperbody for quite a while...

Short version is - Cortizone is good, and it sure as hell cuts down the inflammation so you can heal faster. BUT - you want to set a reasonable recovery schedule while you're still feeling the pain; and stick to it after the cortizone shots, regardless of how good you feel.

[I Declare War]

^ not all inflammation is bad - it can actually help speed healing.

[Imadeapoopsie]

^ not all inflammation is bad - it can actually help speed healing.

^ ur rite i think the excessive inflammation during the first 72 hrs after injury is bad after. inflammation is normally the bodies natural healing process

[Imadeapoopsie]

OK 6 week after incident update on my injury - the pain is now minimal and only ever comes on side delt now

haven't done any lifting since injury occured

PT asked me to continue rehab exercises if no improvement will be referred for x-ray and ultrasound scan.

current symptoms - very mild pain near side delt, catching sensation (most diturbing), some weakness and clunking noises

i sure hope its not a labral tear like my hip

might i have an AC sprain?