Banned for two years

[Pasifika Solja]

Hi My Name is Damon

I have been lifting natural for a few years now in the sport of powerliting with Pbs

Benchpress: 230kg

Back Squat: 300kg

DeadLift; 300kg

Body weight 118kg

All raw lifts.

Last December I was Banned from lifting for two years after testing positive for 1.3 Dymethelene found in the pre work out 1 MR. I found this to be quite harsh a 2 year ban but it's the rules I guess and now I take no pre work outs.

I'm thinking of taking up Olympic lifting or crossfit while my ban stands? Any advice?

[nate225]

Seems overly harsh bro given most get 3 months for dmaa, but each decision is based on the facts presented so I won't make any bold statements without knowing the details.

You won't be able to compete in Oly while banned but usure about crossfit (don't know if they're accredited to wada etc). A friend of mine got banned years ago in rugby and switched to league and had the same issue - funly enough no one complained when he played soccer instead lolol...he wasn't so good!

[soundsgood]

What is CAPO's stance here?

Will Damon be allowed to compete in that federation while he is banned?

Awesome lifts there Damon!

[nate225]

Of course he can. Just like any other sports code without solid stance on anti doping (most minor sports without sparc funding in NZ).

[Danomyte]

Haha lah, oly lifting and crossfit :pfft: No more energy drinks for you!!!

Serve your ban brah and come back wiser and stronger!!

What is CAPO's stance here?

Will Damon be allowed to compete in that federation while he is banned?

Awesome lifts there Damon!

I'm sure capo would gladly have a a lifter of Damon's caliber in their fed.

From NZPF/DFSNZ point of view, he wouldn't be allowed to compete at capo comps according to the DFSNZ testing rules and forms signed by Damon.

But it's Damon's choice in the end :nod:

A strong uso for sure :nod:

[Danomyte]

Of course he can. Just like any other sports code without solid stance on anti doping (most minor sports without sparc funding in NZ).

Actually not sure tbh - I gotta go double check this

But it's Damon's choice in the end whatever the rules aye brah.

[Danomyte]

now I take no pre work outs.

BSc's K-OS pre-workout bro - my choice of pre-workout with no banned substances in it. Mafola e aho.

[jimmybro1]

Hi My Name is Damon

I have been lifting natural for a few years now in the sport of powerliting with Pbs

Benchpress: 230kg

Back Squat: 300kg

DeadLift; 300kg

Body weight 118kg

All raw lifts.

Last December I was Banned from lifting for two years after testing positive for 1.3 Dymethelene found in the pre work out 1 MR. I found this to be quite harsh a 2 year ban but it's the rules I guess and now I take no pre work outs.

I'm thinking of taking up Olympic lifting or crossfit while my ban stands? Any advice?

I know someone in the exact some boat as you for using the same pre-workout. Got a 18 month banned which was extended another 18 months because he played social cricket and you aren't meant to be involved in any sport at all.

NZPF seems pretty rough for giving a ban for an over the counter supplement with that heavy of a ban. Especially when its not always so clear what is and isn't banned as they keep banning things.

If you want to go back to NZPF you won't be able to compete in any sport for the 2 year ban even if social!

[severe]

I know someone in the exact some boat as you for using the same pre-workout. Got a 18 month banned which was extended another 18 months because he played social cricket and you aren't meant to be involved in any sport at all.

That extension is even more wanky than the banning due to OTC supplements. What a bunch of wankers. Social cricket? Damn that's totally screwed up bro.

Damon, Crossfit will give you the endurance and keep core strength, but you may have to go to specialised classes to just oly lift. The exposure to yur needs will be limited in my opinion. And you won't find a bench press (from my experience) either.

[jimmybro1]

Yip its an absolute joke.

They do investigations on the banned athletes to ensure they are involved in any sport what so ever.

Extremely harsh.

[drizzt]

NZPF seems pretty rough for giving a ban for an over the counter supplement with that heavy of a ban. Especially when its not always so clear what is and isn't banned as they keep banning things.

If you want to go back to NZPF you won't be able to compete in any sport for the 2 year ban even if social!

Just to clarify here; it isn't NZPF that does the banning, it is Drug Free Sport NZ & the Sports Tribunal. NZPF has no part of the ban or decision process if an athlete returns a positive test, or breaches any conditions of their ban (someone correct me if I'm wrong?).

To Damon; wish you the best for your training over the course of your ban bro, come back stronger and wiser :nod:

[teamfatboy]

Hi Damon...

I'm not sure about CrossFit competitions - I did an Oly lifting course at MaD CrossFit in Petone over the summer, which taught me the basics, and while they run simple in-house competitions, I'm not sure about regional or national comps, if they even exist. Maybe CrossFit Central, up the road from the 'House, would know.

MaD is run by a couple of neat folk and when their workouts are on a Strength phase, as opposed to aerobic/cardio emphasis, they're good fun.

Tash or Pala up at the 'House might have some Wellington perspectives, but I agree with Danny - try some different things, and come back strong!

[jimmybro1]

NZPF seems pretty rough for giving a ban for an over the counter supplement with that heavy of a ban. Especially when its not always so clear what is and isn't banned as they keep banning things.

If you want to go back to NZPF you won't be able to compete in any sport for the 2 year ban even if social!

Just to clarify here; it isn't NZPF that does the banning, it is Drug Free Sport NZ & the Sports Tribunal. NZPF has no part of the ban or decision process if an athlete returns a positive test, or breaches any conditions of their ban (someone correct me if I'm wrong?).

To Damon; wish you the best for your training over the course of your ban bro, come back stronger and wiser :nod:

Yes I think your right.

Nevertheless though

[startinfromscratch]

I dont think there is any merit in trying to seperate nzpf and WADA - NZPF support and endorse all WADA codes and practice. So yes the NZPF does support the ban - its part of their core beliefs!

Seems pretty harsh though, but essentially if you want to be a member of the NZPF/IPF you must obey all the rules, drug and supplement taking included. If you read their constitution there are actually alot of restrictions in there alluding to what you can and cant do in your social/sporting life.

example - a fireman doing a loglift in a fire service competition needs to have written permission to compete in his firemans only comp - and risks sanctions if he does. Strongman is obviously covered in this too.

According to the constitution taking smelling salts while in public view at a comp is also a sanctionable offence...

participating in any sport thats fit SPARC/WADA criteria is a violation. Although plenty of people still do - and without punishment either. So basically the rules are all there in black and white, and must be obeyed. Just not everyone is held to them.

just my view.

[ThreeWhiteLights]

Love your work Haden. Repped

[M.T]

Good post SFS :nod:

Damon I have a strong view on this and as a friend who I respect as a lifter and a person I hope you take this on-board not as an attack but as my stance.

I read the case, which is no secret and don't think the sentence was harsh at all for a few reasons. 1 - You signed a piece of paper (5 times?) that stated you knew what the rules and regulations are and understood them, but still claimed you didn't know about (some) pre supplements being banned in this sport and STILL went ahead and took some around comp time which most people know is a no no.

2 - You contradicted yourself several times in your statements and didn't make much sense as to what it was that you actually took and named more than one substance 1RM, jack3d, Superpump.....

3 - You never once took ownership for taking it and shifted the blame to your own sponsors and even Powerhouse gym That over all was pretty shit man and you know it.

So please don't come on here and say you got hard done by and make NZPF's name mud.

I think you are an athlete at any sport you want to and do hope you take this time to get even stronger and show everyone what's up.

[drizzt]

I dont think there is any merit in trying to seperate nzpf and WADA - NZPF support and endorse all WADA codes and practice. So yes the NZPF does support the ban - its part of their core beliefs!

Just to clear up the intent of my post: I didn't say (or mean) that the NZPF don't support DFSNZ's decision(s), I was only pointing out in reply to Jimmy's post that there is a clear separation in the roles of the 3 groups. NZPF complies with and facilitates athlete compliance with the WADA code; DFSNZ implements and acts on the code/standards/tests; and the Sports Tribunal is referred cases to hear arguments and decide the sentence.

To me this is a pretty clear cut separation, the NZPF - or NZRFU... any sporting body that complies with WADA code - does not administer bans on their own athletes, and that is as it should be :nod:

[Danomyte]

Lots of good stuff in your post Hayden. Very true on a lot of things :clap:

Agree with Drizzt here though.

....essentially if you want to be a member of the NZPF/IPF you must obey all the rules, drug and supplement taking included.

Nail. Hit. Head. :nod:

[Bluto]

Hi My Name is Damon

I have been lifting natural for a few years now in the sport of powerliting with Pbs

Benchpress: 230kg

Back Squat: 300kg

DeadLift; 300kg

Body weight 118kg

All raw lifts.

Last December I was Banned from lifting for two years after testing positive for 1.3 Dymethelene found in the pre work out 1 MR. I found this to be quite harsh a 2 year ban but it's the rules I guess and now I take no pre work outs.

I'm thinking of taking up Olympic lifting or crossfit while my ban stands? Any advice?

That sucks Damon.

2 years!!!!! Thats fucken crazy.

How do all Super 14 players get past that, they all take pre workouts supps?

Go to CAPO.

And 118kg?? I thought you wore like 128kg.

[nzmusclemonster]

Whats the moral of the story?

If I'm ignorant I should be let off...?

[Best Bench]

Whats the moral of the story?

If I'm ignorant I should be let off...?

Repped.

That extension is even more wanky than the banning due to OTC supplements. What a bunch of wankers. Social cricket? Damn that's totally screwed up bro.

If anything the extension is less "Wanky". What do you think a Ban is? When the guy was banned I am sure they set out the conditions of the ban and the guy has gone out and broken the rules again.

People need to be accountable for their actions. Seems to me everyone expects John Key to come wipe their arses for them.

[Danomyte]

^Word Best Bench :clap:

LOL at everyone complaining about the ban :pfft:

Srs, people may not agree with the ban for OTC supps or the ban length but when sign up with NZPF we sign up to the rules and consequences. Follow the rules or do the time.

Or chose to lift for capo, with less restrictions and less restrictive rules to adhere to.

Pretty simple really.

Here's the report - make your own mind up:

http://www.sportstribunal.org.nz/Docume ... l_2013.pdf

http://www.sportstribunal.org.nz/Docume ... May_13.pdf

[Pasifika Solja]

Hi Thanks for everyones imput and I appreciate it allot as for MT's statement at the time I wasn't use to the midigation process and all relevent information was required?. I do take ownership of my mistake in regards to taking the pre workout and in no way was it to put blame on others? Sorry if I offended the Powerhouse and Members it wasn't my intentions, the sample pack of 1MR was received in a lifting pack way before the ban of 1.3 Dymethelene, I kept a hold of it and took it the night before my lifts as stated in the report. I just want to keep lifting and also try something new I ask advice on this for motivation and Inspiration.

Faka aue Lahi, Manuia Fafetai

[Pasifika Solja]

Hi Thanks for everyones imput and I appreciate it allot as for MT's statement at the time I wasn't use to the midigation process and all relevent information was required?. I do take ownership of my mistake in regards to taking the pre workout and in no way was it to put blame on others? Sorry if I offended the Powerhouse and Members it wasn't my intentions, the sample pack of 1MR was received in a lifting pack way before the ban of 1.3 Dymethelene, I kept a hold of it and took it the night before my lifts as stated in the report. I just want to keep lifting and also try something new I ask advice on this for motivation and Inspiration.

Faka aue Lahi, Manuia Fafetai

[M.T]

Hi Thanks for everyones imput and I appreciate it allot as for MT's statement at the time I wasn't use to the midigation process and all relevent information was required?. I do take ownership of my mistake in regards to taking the pre workout and in no way was it to put blame on others? Sorry if I offended the Powerhouse and Members it wasn't my intentions, the sample pack of 1MR was received in a lifting pack way before the ban of 1.3 Dymethelene, I kept a hold of it and took it the night before my lifts as stated in the report. I just want to keep lifting and also try something new I ask advice on this for motivation and Inspiration.

Faka aue Lahi, Manuia Fafetai

Well said D good response, much respect train hard and come back stronger.