PeterDolan Posted July 15, 2012 Report Share Posted July 15, 2012 What is the point/benefit of supplementing free form glutamine? Is what we consume from whole foods not enough? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mcmass Posted July 15, 2012 Report Share Posted July 15, 2012 Last I heard Pete the jury is still out on it really giving anything worthwhile.But some who take it swear by it. Ive tried it and didn't really notice much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterDolan Posted July 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2012 Last I heard Pete the jury is still out on it really giving anything worthwhile.But some who take it swear by it. Ive tried it and didn't really notice much.I've heard the same thing mate Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Android Posted July 15, 2012 Report Share Posted July 15, 2012 I've always believed it is the one amino acid that should be most abundant as from it your body can use it for fuel and for creating about 3 other amino acids from it if they are required...something like that without googling the answer.Also, for recovery of the DOMS as a natty I found it to be as good as consuming protein. I eat more meat and stuff now so dont supplement it, but I would if I couldnt get my 1kg of meat/day** all anecdotal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kalidane Posted July 15, 2012 Report Share Posted July 15, 2012 I've read it described as a conditionally essential amino acid. Heavy training makes it a must-have.The way I see it the daily cost is trivial and it mixes well with shakes and with water so get it in.I thought the literature was pretty settled on this one? How has it performed for you? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterDolan Posted July 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2012 I'm not disputing the benefits of glutamine, I wanna know why supplementing it is neccesary? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Squat Posted July 15, 2012 Report Share Posted July 15, 2012 I'm not disputing the benefits of glutamine, I wanna know why supplementing it is neccesary?More is always better bro. That's the general mindset. Your question is a really good one. Most of us that take supplements do so with a hunch. And the more we take we hope that we have even more chance of getting that formula right. I suspect (broscience here we go again) that any tangible benefit from taking additional glutamine would be so small that it would be impossible to measure. So what's the answer? Spend our money on good food. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomsammce Posted July 15, 2012 Report Share Posted July 15, 2012 Dolan pls... You gotta realize it's drugs that benefit you not these worthless supplements... I laugh when I hear of these ppl (not you, in general) on testosterone and cutting cycles discussing glutamine supplementation pre morning cardio.what next, Protein shake before you masturbate so the rise in heartrate doesn't turn you catabolic.Supplementing glutamine is worthless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Squat Posted July 15, 2012 Report Share Posted July 15, 2012 I guess Tom the Muppet is back lol. How's Jimjim? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diab0lic Posted July 15, 2012 Report Share Posted July 15, 2012 Havent seen any good studies supporting free form glutamine use except in aids/cancer patients with severe wasting or burn victims. They receive it intravenously too. If someone has proper evidence supporting its use in athletes, Id love to see itNot worth the money at all IMO. If you look, you'll see glutamine is the most abundant amino acid in almost every proteinaceous food. Spend the money on isolate and meat instead IMOMakes you fart real nasty like too, but I see that as a positive :twisted: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daz69 Posted July 15, 2012 Report Share Posted July 15, 2012 I'd always been led to believe oral supplementation of L-Glutamine had no benefit. Lyle Mc Donnald did a series of articles that suggested it was bollocks, but there are a few studies to be found that suggest otherwise...Tomas C WelbourneABSTRACT An oral glutamine load was administered tonine healthy subjects to determine the effect on plasma glutamine,bicarbonate, and circulating growth hormone concentrations.Two grams glutamine were dissolved in a cola drinkand ingested over a 20-mm period 45 mm after a light breakfast.Forearm venous blood samples were obtained at zero timeand at 30-mm intervals for 90 mm and compared with timecontrols obtained I wk earlier. Eight of nine subjects respondedto the oral glutamine load with an increase in plasma glutamineat 30 and 60 mm before returning to the control value at 90mm. Ninety minutes after the glutamine administration loadboth plasma bicarbonate concentration and circulating plasmagrowth hormone concentration were elevated. These findingsdemonstrate that a surprisingly small oral glutamine load iscapable of elevating alkaline reserves as well as plasma growthhormone. A,n J Clin Nutr 1995;61:1058-61.http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/7733028 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterDolan Posted July 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2012 Supplementing glutamine is worthless.People may not like your delivery but you have a point. I guess the same could be said for using whey in general (not just pre wank) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chemo Posted July 15, 2012 Report Share Posted July 15, 2012 Pretty low on the list of things to get IMOBCAAs and protein powdersCreatinetaurine and electrolytesbeta alanine, cit malate and stimulantsgreen tea and fat burnersvitaminsfibre.........peppermints.........lube.........$2 aviators.........glutamineIf your getting that 2g protein per kg of mass in a day then I don't think its noticeable/useful to be using. If you were cutting maybe I don't know but I'd still favour BCAAs over glutamine anyday. My 1 cent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PeterDolan Posted July 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2012 Peppermints > Lube? Not sure if srs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chemo Posted July 15, 2012 Report Share Posted July 15, 2012 Peppermints > Lube? Not sure if srs?luls, maybe on the same level then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
severe Posted July 16, 2012 Report Share Posted July 16, 2012 Pretty low on the list of things to get IMOBCAAs and protein powdersCreatineThis is my preference too, which I believe is the way it should be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phedder Posted July 16, 2012 Report Share Posted July 16, 2012 Havent seen any good studies supporting free form glutamine use except in aids/cancer patients with severe wasting or burn victims. They receive it intravenously too. If someone has proper evidence supporting its use in athletes, Id love to see itNot worth the money at all IMO. If you look, you'll see glutamine is the most abundant amino acid in almost every proteinaceous food. Spend the money on isolate and meat instead IMOMy thoughts exactly. For your average healthy weight lifter with a high protein diet, it's totally unnecessary. If you were recovering from an illness or injury, and especially surgery it might be a good idea to include it just to be safe. For most it's just a waste of money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mufasa Posted July 21, 2012 Report Share Posted July 21, 2012 The only credible benefits I've noticed were when I started to run again after four months off - recovery times were quicker than the first time around, but there was certainly no improvement in performance or endurance. If I were pushed, I'd say it's possible it helped smooth over any dietary issues I was having as a result of moving from no aerobic exercise to running four times a week. I'm not a big protein eater so the effects were probably even further exaggerated, so chances are there's very little benefits and all you'll end up doing is finding it harder to take a dump when you need to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pseudonym Posted July 21, 2012 Report Share Posted July 21, 2012 I know HumanPerformance prescribes industrial quantities of glutamine to his clients when they're on a strict cutting diet. I don't know what evidence he has to support this, but I presume he has some. That's always been a good enough reason for me to take it when on restricted calories - as insurance if nothing else! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phedder Posted July 21, 2012 Report Share Posted July 21, 2012 I know HumanPerformance prescribes industrial quantities of glutamine to his clients when they're on a strict cutting diet. I don't know what evidence he has to support this, but I presume he has some. That's always been a good enough reason for me to take it when on restricted calories - as insurance if nothing else!The stress of a highly restricted diet could be likened to that of injury or illness I suppose. Like you said, possibly worth taking as insurance if nothing else when on a strict diet. When bulking or maintaining however, I really doubt there'd be any noticeable benefit. Nothing that spending the extra money on more steak wouldn't do anyway =P~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pseudonym Posted July 21, 2012 Report Share Posted July 21, 2012 Yep, and I should probably add that I don't often bother with it on a gentle cut either - only if it's a reasonably significant calorie restriction. :nod: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nate225 Posted July 21, 2012 Report Share Posted July 21, 2012 I know HumanPerformance prescribes industrial quantities of glutamine to his clients when they're on a strict cutting diet. I don't know what evidence he has to support this, but I presume he has some. That's always been a good enough reason for me to take it when on restricted calories - as insurance if nothing else!The stress of a highly restricted diet could be likened to that of injury or illness I suppose. Like you said, possibly worth taking as insurance if nothing else when on a strict diet. When bulking or maintaining however, I really doubt there'd be any noticeable benefit. Nothing that spending the extra money on more steak wouldn't do anyway =P~He's not the only knowledgable guy who puts dieting BBers on heaps of Glutamine trust me... :nod: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomsammce Posted July 21, 2012 Report Share Posted July 21, 2012 It's outdated information and it's old school.Waste of money. Period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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