Pseudonym Posted November 21, 2006 Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 After hearing several people on this site talking about bulk protein, I decided to try some myself. I ordered a 20kg sack of Alacen 895 Instant whey protein isolate - ion exchange from Davis Trading. I was a bit nervious about ordering such a large amount, but that's all they sell. What if I didn't like it? I'd be stuck with a lifetime supply! I was nearly right on that count - I started eating this protein at the beginning of June, probably averaging 3 serves a day. I'm still going today... Nearly there now, though!The 20kg cost me $468.56 all up, including freight and GST. That's just over $20 a kilo - can't complain about that!As I recall, Davis Trading were fairly prompt with delivery. The protein came in a big plastic protective wrapping outside a paper sack, which contained a sealed plastic bag of protein. I discarded the two outer layers, tied the top of the inner bag with string, and kept it in a 45L plastic bin (pictured below). This fitted the entire sack perfectly.So how did it taste? Well, it didn't really. It's unflavoured, so other than a slight milky hint, it's largely tasteless. The real question is: how well did it mix - and again the answer is pretty much: it didn't. Now, to be fair, my mixing test consists of stirring vigorously with a spoon. You might achieve better results from a shaker or blender, but I think my way is easier, and it certainly sorts good powders from bad. Unfortunately, when I tried using a spoon on this powder, it formed enormous sticky clumps on the back of the spoon, and little (if any) seemed to dissolve. You know how cornflour behaves? Well, it was like that, only gluggier and gluier.Does this mean that this whey is not in fact instantised, as I had assumed the "Instant" mentioned on the invoice indicated? Perhaps someone can explain this...Anyway, here's how I solved the mixing problem... I "borrowed" my mother's old flour sifter, and sifted together- enough protein powder to fill a spare tub I had (about 1.8kg)- one packet of Cadbury drinking chocolateI'm not sure whether it was the sifting or the cocoa or both, but this vastly improved the mixability. Still not as good as other commercial powders, but miles better nonetheless. It also made it taste nicer, which is always a bonus. On a purely dollars-per-kilo price comparison, this protein wins hands down. But the fact that you have to go to a fair amount of trouble to get a usable product, and that there are no other "goodies" like flavouring, BCAAs, etc, leads me to sum up: If you can afford to buy a better protein, do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dyceast Posted November 21, 2006 Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 Good review...BTW heres the nutritional information in the attachments.It also shows that there are some amounts of bcaa's, but thats per 100gms. So I dont know how much that is per serving.Typical amino acid profile - Alacen 895.pdfFonterra Product Bulletin - WPI 895 Instant - 896.pdfTypical amino acid profile - WPC Alacen 450.pdfFonterra Product Bulletin - WPC Alacen 450.pdf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cammo Posted November 21, 2006 Report Share Posted November 21, 2006 It also shows that there are some amounts of bcaa's, but thats per 100gms. So I dont know how much that is per serving.That scoop looks to be around 30g (29.4 to be specific :wink:) and with the amino acid details in that pdf, the amount of BCAA's (Isoleucine, Leucine & Valine) in each scoop would be close to 8g - that's more than most commercial powders on the market (twice as much as the stuff I use).That's pretty good stuff! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geneticgod Posted November 25, 2006 Report Share Posted November 25, 2006 having massive amounts like that, isn't there a danger the powder could 'go off"?Does protein go off if you don't use it fast enough? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cammo Posted November 25, 2006 Report Share Posted November 25, 2006 having massive amounts like that, isn't there a danger the powder could 'go off"?Does protein go off if you don't use it fast enough?As long as it's in an airtight container & the moths don't get to it, should be no problem.It's possible it may go off after a couple of years but it should have been consumed by then :wink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
loser Posted December 12, 2006 Report Share Posted December 12, 2006 whats the website for davis trading? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marcus Posted January 24, 2007 Report Share Posted January 24, 2007 I've been using the Isolate for some time now. Due to a shortage in funds I just ordered a 20kg Whey Concentrate this time.Just received it this morning & it is heaps easier to mix than the isolate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2BulkUp Posted January 29, 2007 Report Share Posted January 29, 2007 I've been using the Isolate for some time now. Due to a shortage in funds I just ordered a 20kg Whey Concentrate this time.Just received it this morning & it is heaps easier to mix than the isolate.I have just straight WPC 20kg also and it mixes fine. I have mine in a rubbish bin tied off and it seems fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice_Man Posted December 4, 2007 Report Share Posted December 4, 2007 Just a up date on the price for the 20kg WPC. $319.00 pick up.Thats a big saving compared to others. Just orderd a bulk load for my self. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flamer Posted December 5, 2007 Report Share Posted December 5, 2007 Can someone please explain the difference between WPI & WPC? Why would you use one over the other? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pseudonym Posted December 5, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2007 Whey Protein Isolate is more refined than Whey Protein Concentrate. As such, it's more expensive, but contains more protein. WPI is easier (faster) to digest, and is better for lactose-intolerant people. That makes it ideal for post-workout, but WPC is good too, and cheaper.You may find WPC has other advantages, being less processed, but that's out of my depth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mclovin Posted December 5, 2007 Report Share Posted December 5, 2007 wow still quite cheep might get me some Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flamer Posted December 5, 2007 Report Share Posted December 5, 2007 Thanks Pseudo. I downloaded the nutritional specs above, but it doesn't give me the all important carb:protein:fat ratios. Any info on those stats? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cammo Posted December 5, 2007 Report Share Posted December 5, 2007 Can someone give us the price of the WPI then thanks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flex Posted December 5, 2007 Report Share Posted December 5, 2007 Thanks Pseudo. I downloaded the nutritional specs above, but it doesn't give me the all important carb:protein:fat ratios. Any info on those stats?What ratios do you mean? The first PDF states:PRODUCT CHARACTERISTICSProtein (g/100g) 90.6Fat (g/100g) 0.6Total Carbohydrate (g/100g) 0.2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flamer Posted December 5, 2007 Report Share Posted December 5, 2007 Thanks Pseudo. I downloaded the nutritional specs above, but it doesn't give me the all important carb:protein:fat ratios. Any info on those stats? What ratios do you mean? The first PDF states: PRODUCT CHARACTERISTICS Protein (g/100g) 90.6 Fat (g/100g) 0.6 Total Carbohydrate (g/100g) 0.2 Sorry folks, only downloaded the second one, which only had amino acid composition. Thanks Flex. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laver Posted December 12, 2007 Report Share Posted December 12, 2007 Hi,Just looked into some WPC from Davis Trading,Current Price $335 for 20kg,WPI was around $405 for 20kg, but cant quote me on that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YourMumsAMan Posted December 13, 2007 Report Share Posted December 13, 2007 Laver, are those prices ex GST? I just purchased the WPC for roughly $450 as the isolate was quoted to me at around $650. Had to be shipped down from Auckland Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laver Posted December 19, 2007 Report Share Posted December 19, 2007 just ordered me 20kg of protein concentrate, $335 excl gst, $15 shipping, total $391.875...The isolate when i asked was $405 excl gst, im supprised u got quoted at 650 thats heaps!.. but is in a better proportion of price against the concentrate.Also, those prices are set until Febuary 2008, I thought being so close to direct from the cow it would fluxuate as the price of milk does, But is not the case, "deal" Davis has with Fonterra lasts until febuary '08, after which i imagine it will rise as the price of milk seems to be doing, so get in quick. i asked the hard questions :D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ice_Man Posted December 19, 2007 Report Share Posted December 19, 2007 It must be different prices at different locations of Davis Trading. I just picked up 20kg of WPC from Davis trading and had to pay $391.00 + GST, came to $440 pick up from there store. Im sure they said two weeks ago it was only $319 + GST so pricing must change often Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laver Posted December 19, 2007 Report Share Posted December 19, 2007 It must be different prices at different locations of Davis Trading. I just picked up 20kg of WPC from Davis trading and had to pay $391.00 + GST, came to $440 pick up from there store. Im sure they said two weeks ago it was only $319 + GST so pricing must change oftenthats really bloody weird... its beyond me anyway... maybe i was conned and the dude just wanted my credit card number i don't see how it can be about different locations, the impression i was given from my minimal dealings with them is that the place in auckland is the only one who supplies it, o well, who knows. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flex Posted December 19, 2007 Report Share Posted December 19, 2007 The price fluctuates on a regular basis, but lately only upwards. The cost of whey increased again in December, and I haven't heard of anyone that has been able to negotiate fixed pricing for it. I could be wrong but I think Fonterra have grown a little too big to negotiate deals with NZ companies.I'd imagine the varying prices you guys are receiving are probably dependant on which person you get hold of at Davis trading, or whatever whim takes them at the time. It could also be a varying grade of whey protein. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
waldo Posted December 19, 2007 Report Share Posted December 19, 2007 Fonterra trade milk solids in the same way oil is traded...as a commodity. As a consequence we pay what overseas entities are prepared to pay. High, not low.You guys wait, once Fonterra lists on the stock exchange, and really starts to act in the interestes of it's farmers, bodybuilders wil be looking for a new source of Protein! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laver Posted December 22, 2007 Report Share Posted December 22, 2007 HOORAY!I got my 20kg bag of Alacen 450 whey protein instant wpc80 protein powder yesterday,Just had my frist shake of it, just 300ml water and about 30g of the whey, it mixed fine in my little shaker i use, so was very pleased with that!Also, found the taste almost pleseant! No bad flavour, and a slight hint of what reminded me of calves milk, so kinda tasty!I noticed earlier on the thread somebody posted the nutritional value of the WPI, I have wpc obviously, but have had trouble finding Also, i have no idea what "Alacen" means, or what the number represents, my WPC is Alacen 450, while the WPI is Alacen 895, can somebody provide some insight for me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoaringSwine Posted December 22, 2007 Report Share Posted December 22, 2007 Cool. Who did you contact to get yours? I sent an email but got no reply Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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