tomleegolf Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 What do yall think of this proposed legislation?All I got to say is, if you has been good boys and girls and paid for your music and movies, this bill wouldnt have been proposed in the first place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
30ed32 Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 http://www.avaaz.org/en/save_the_intern ... 1425589399That's what I think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pyro Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 What do yall think of this proposed legislation?All I got to say is, if you has been good boys and girls and paid for your music and movies, this bill wouldnt have been proposed in the first place.The majority of things actually pirated are things that people would never buy anyway, so the argument the are losing billions is trash. How do you lose money when you were never going to get it in the first place. Times are changing and the industry needs to keep up with it, the lack of availability for obtaining legal media online is a joke. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drps Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 Here's a good explanation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shutupandsquat Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 Looks like Tom Hanks shaved his head.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anyonehelp? Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 I am a bit fucked off. I download all the time. I love getting things for free if I can. If it goes through, I just feel sorry for some of the poor bastards that do lose out on their websites. Understanding them targating 'Megaupload' and that, but some sites such as Wiki, It may cause a bit of trouble for 'em. So, I am not a fan.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
two_phat Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 It's a ridiculous piece of legislation, and doesn't really target the problem. The internet is a placing for sharing, whether it be videos, images, music or knowledge. These big corporations are not changing with the times - people no longer see content as being owned by a singular person or group. There are ways to make money and still offer these things for free to the consumer; they just refuse to embrace it and are therefore stuck in the days where VCRs are the norm and sharing is almost impossible.And I do have a problem with authorities targeting megaupload. The site gave responsibility to the user and would take down any links that had copyright material in it. Google, facebook and twitter all follow the same guidelines and all have (or link to) copyright material. Yet they weren't shut down? Oh well - there are at least 10 other sites that I know of like megaupload; and they too have an extensive porn collection. oops I mean video collection. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Luigi Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 they can go get fucked. brb. keeping track of everything everyone does. f*ck off.(yes aware government already does this, but they dont have the power to penalize people.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Zero Posted January 20, 2012 Report Share Posted January 20, 2012 What do they say? Many small laws make great tyrannies? Unfortunately these laws are tyrannies in themselves. At least the internet has expanded so much that USA doesn't have the power to shut it down globally like they once did, they maybe able to shutdown sites hosted in the USA but if the market is there they will be re-established elsewhere. However, thanks to Wikileaks and the recent Megaupload arrests in Auckland, it has been confirmed that we are USA's bitch - which doesn't make me feel all that safe. I'm surprised they didn't try and implement those laws here first. It will be interesting to see if the Megaupload group get extradited as they are NZ citizens, they will face up to 50 years in jail in the states.Honestly, f*ck facist America. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinguerilla Posted January 21, 2012 Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 They knew the law. We all know the law. If you get caught dont cry about it you knew from the get go what you were doing was wrong. If you want it by it. By saying the stuff pirated wasnt going to be brought anyway then why should you get to see it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Zero Posted January 21, 2012 Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 They knew the law. We all know the law. If you get caught dont cry about it you knew from the get go what you were doing was wrong. If you want it by it. By saying the stuff pirated wasnt going to be brought anyway then why should you get to see it.What law?P.S. a mod better delete my attachment before the authorities see it, else Pseudonym is going to get 50 years in a US jail. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinguerilla Posted January 21, 2012 Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 They knew the law. We all know the law. If you get caught dont cry about it you knew from the get go what you were doing was wrong. If you want it by it. By saying the stuff pirated wasnt going to be brought anyway then why should you get to see it.What law?P.S. a mod better delete my attachment before the authorities see it, else Pseudonym is going to get 50 years in a US jail.Copywrite law.And lets be honest most of the time a blind eye is turned to it. This Kim dotcom was living in a 30 million dollar house from the proceeds of coprywrite infringement offences, and had made $217million odd and losses to the movie companys of $632million. hes not hiring a movie and copying it from his local channel X is he. That 849million dollars in earnings and losses50 years sounds pretty fair to me. Because the victims in this matter are faceless movie companies does that make offending of close to 1billion dollars alright? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Android Posted January 21, 2012 Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 I don't even know how they managed to shut down Kazza so many years ago, the first major file-sharing app. Kazza never hosted any material on its servers, merely providing people with the conduit. So they passed a law making conduits illegal. Which to me implies that the Internet should be brought down becos it allows people to share files.Down with the Internet!!!!!!!!Srsly, in the past movies and songs made too much money, making them able to pay agents, actors and singers millions of dollars. Noone wants those good times to end do they. They'll lobby anything to keep the cash rolling in so can't blame them, I would too. But I do think I should be allowed to place my legal copy of a movie on my own PC and place a link on a webpage I own pointing to it. I can't see what part of that is illegal since it's my legally brought copy and I have not distributed the file to anyone.But that's just me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinguerilla Posted January 21, 2012 Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 I do wonder if Kanye west, Jamie fox, Kim cuntdashian, and the other celebs will be held legally responsible since they promoted the sight. Kind of like richard long getting in trouble for some failed finance company. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinguerilla Posted January 21, 2012 Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 I don't even know how they managed to shut down Kazza so many years ago, the first major file-sharing app. Kazza never hosted any material on its servers, merely providing people with the conduit. So they passed a law making conduits illegal. Which to me implies that the Internet should be brought down becos it allows people to share files.Down with the Internet!!!!!!!!Srsly, in the past movies and songs made too much money, making them able to pay agents, actors and singers millions of dollars. Noone wants those good times to end do they. They'll lobby anything to keep the cash rolling in so can't blame them, I would too. But I do think I should be allowed to place my legal copy of a movie on my own PC and place a link on a webpage I own pointing to it. I can't see what part of that is illegal since it's my legally brought copy and I have not distributed the file to anyone.But that's just meIf you make it viewable on your web site the wouldnt that be the distribuation. From what I understand you can copy it onto your PC but you cant share it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
karm015 Posted January 21, 2012 Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 you guys sitting on your high horses blaming pirates for SOPA/PIPA in their current forms are missing the point entirely... :roll: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlBundy Posted January 21, 2012 Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 If I was to pirate anything chances are I wouldn't have gone and brought it of a shelf anyway and since 1's and 0s can be copied an infinite number of times their isn't any actual material lost. Can make all the laws in the world it will always be a game of cat and mouse with people finding ways around things. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomleegolf Posted January 21, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 So are you guys saying that pirating is ok? The law does need to tighten around piracy as it is a joke at the moment. Even though I know its wrong I still download movies and music for free simply because its so easy. But PIPA and SOPA give the government way too much power and it could easily turn into censorship like China with whole sites getting blocked for a user that uploads copyrighted material. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Diab0lic Posted January 21, 2012 Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 I reckon these acts can SOPA my PIPA! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinguerilla Posted January 21, 2012 Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 If I was to pirate anything chances are I wouldn't have gone and brought it of a shelf anyway and since 1's and 0s can be copied an infinite number of times their isn't any actual material lost. Can make all the laws in the world it will always be a game of cat and mouse with people finding ways around things.So you only pirate things you wouldnt buy. What makes you think you have the right to have something you wouldnt buy? Thats like saying I wouldnt buy a 3d tv so threrefore stealing it is okay. Im confused.Im not having a go, I dont get money either way so im not overly fussed, but I can see why music/movie companies would be pissed. Especially the smaller ones who rely on consumers buying their material. The big ones can take a loss but the independants will suffer the most.Its funny how we would all agree it wrong to steal from a supermarket, which is also a faceless business but a $30 dvd / cd is okay.I guess this just shows the attitude to white collar theft vs blue collar theft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pyro Posted January 21, 2012 Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 They knew the law. We all know the law. If you get caught dont cry about it you knew from the get go what you were doing was wrong. If you want it by it. By saying the stuff pirated wasnt going to be brought anyway then why should you get to see it.Have you even read the law they wanted to pass? All you are saying is pirating is wrong, and thats only a very small part of the law. Small gif for the slower ones. You're also missing the major "side effect" of people pirating that it actually gets word out for artists and interests in their work, generating them more money. Don't just think that pirating is only taking away money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinguerilla Posted January 21, 2012 Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 You're also missing the major "side effect" of people pirating that it actually gets word out for artists and interests in their work, generating them more money. Don't just think that pirating is only taking away money.how many people do you think illegally download a movie then go out and buy it? I would suggest very few. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Zero Posted January 21, 2012 Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 If I was to pirate anything chances are I wouldn't have gone and brought it of a shelf anyway and since 1's and 0s can be copied an infinite number of times their isn't any actual material lost. Can make all the laws in the world it will always be a game of cat and mouse with people finding ways around things.So you only pirate things you wouldnt buy. What makes you think you have the right to have something you wouldnt buy? Thats like saying I wouldnt buy a 3d tv so threrefore stealing it is okay. Im confused.Im not having a go, I dont get money either way so im not overly fussed, but I can see why music/movie companies would be pissed. Especially the smaller ones who rely on consumers buying their material. The big ones can take a loss but the independants will suffer the most.Its funny how we would all agree it wrong to steal from a supermarket, which is also a faceless business but a $30 dvd / cd is okay.That's the way things go mate, industries are born and die with the changing global environment. You can't bring in laws that strip away people's freedom everytime a current industry is suffering a loss.Movies are ridiculously expensive to view/buy for what they are, it's a wonder that the industry has lasted as long as it has. If you compare seeing a movie at a cinema @ $20 ticket price to seeing (let's go cliche here and say) a broadway show @ $200 ticket price. In the live show the performers get one payday, but the movie is screened thousands and thousands of times globally, then sold as a DVD before it lands on free to air television. The profit margin there is so vastly different for essentially doing the same thing. A cinema ticket should be $1. Where's that money going? Overpaid actors/directors. If you don't want to make movies on a modest salary then don't make them at all. All that is happening with internet piracy is exposing the ripoff act that big Hollywood companies have been pulling for so long. Cut costs or die. It's the same in music, except most of the money in music goes to the C.E.O's that sit on their arses and push paper all day, rather than to any creative talent that deserves it. In fact, most of the creative talent that deserves it aren't getting paid at all. Record companies just pick up someone with "the look" and an average voice, do em up in the recording room and churn out the same shit repackaged neatly for your average mindless western consumer. Bring back the days where art isn't made for mass approval, but for creative expression.Also, your point about stealing a 3dtv compared to downloading pirated material is almost too obviously retarded to even talk about. But anyway, the producers of the tv have a real cost unlike a copy of digital media (that cost is tapped onto your electricity bill). There is no way that the loss to Hollywood is as much as the total amount downloaded, it is only a tiny fraction of it! Back to Megaupload. These guys didn't distribute any copyrighted material, they just provided a hosting service for any file uploads (one that I have used legitimately to host files I own, many times). They also didn't advertise any uploaded files, illegal or not. Shutting them down is one thing (as Android said, you may as well shut down the whole internet), arresting them and extraditing them to serve a 50 year jail sentence in the states is a whole other thing! I could become a serial killer in NZ and serve 20 here! And it's not just the head man who's getting done, it's the whole team - graphic designers etc.This is just USA chucking their toys and doing some debt collecting because they are in the shit due to years of consume, consume, consume. f*ck them. I am embarrassed that New Zealand is so quick to bend over and take it from them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pyro Posted January 21, 2012 Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 You're also missing the major "side effect" of people pirating that it actually gets word out for artists and interests in their work, generating them more money. Don't just think that pirating is only taking away money.how many people do you think illegally download a movie then go out and buy it? I would suggest very few.Missed the point much? How many people see a movie and then recommend it to friends and family. You would also be surprised at how many people will actually buy TV dvd box sets after they have enjoyed the series from downloading it, gone and bought Musicians cds after downloading some music to see what they are like. My brother in-law has around 100 DVDs of all his favorite movies, most of which he bought after watching them on his xbox. By the way did you bother to read the law they are trying to pass, or are you just still on the anti-piracy bandwagon without understanding what the law is actually about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tinguerilla Posted January 21, 2012 Report Share Posted January 21, 2012 You're also missing the major "side effect" of people pirating that it actually gets word out for artists and interests in their work, generating them more money. Don't just think that pirating is only taking away money.how many people do you think illegally download a movie then go out and buy it? I would suggest very few.Missed the point much? How many people see a movie and then recommend it to friends and family. You would also be surprised at how many people will actually buy TV dvd box sets after they have enjoyed the series from downloading it, gone and bought Musicians cds after downloading some music to see what they are like. My brother in-law has around 100 DVDs of all his favorite movies, most of which he bought after watching them on his xbox. By the way did you bother to read the law they are trying to pass, or are you just still on the anti-piracy bandwagon without understanding what the law is actually about. :roll: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.