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because powerlifters dont use roids ? :doh:

depends if they compete in tested fed or not, I thought. I may be wrong, I don't go to a powerlifting gym, but I've looked at their websites and they seem pretty strongly against them. Any powerlifters care to comment?

There is only one powerlifting federation in NZ and it is part of the Drug Free Sport NZ (DFSNZ) testing programme. Of course this doesn't guarantee that all members are clean. But it does mean they are part of the testing programme.

We need another option in NZ ... http://www.capopowerlifting.com.au/ ... untested and doing both RAW and equipt. I reckon the membership would surge faster as it has done for bbing in nz recently.

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depends if they compete in tested fed or not, I thought. I may be wrong, I don't go to a powerlifting gym, but I've looked at their websites and they seem pretty strongly against them. Any powerlifters care to comment?

There is only one powerlifting federation in NZ and it is part of the Drug Free Sport NZ (DFSNZ) testing programme. Of course this doesn't guarantee that all members are clean. But it does mean they are part of the testing programme.

We need another option in NZ ... http://www.capopowerlifting.com.au/ ... untested and doing both RAW and equipt. I reckon the membership would surge faster as it has done for bbing in nz recently.

So true, someone just needs to kick it off! Opti?........ :lol:

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would pay my fee tomorrow - I'm starting to enjoy this powerbuilding stuff :)

125 KG BW record (RAW)

SQ 300.0 J Durbridge 04-oct-08

BP 180.0 J Durbridge 04-Oct-08

DL 335.0 J Durbridge 04-Oct-08

Have the bench record sorted already ... need more time under the bar while I re-learn to squat. Not sure about the DL but I'll get a 300 in sept ...

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Opti, no ones keen to cough the money to get it started for little in return... nz too small. just go to aus and do it if you dnt agree with drug testing programme and other things such as equipment, airfares cheap and better competition too than if one was to be started here. im not implying that you do disagree with either of those two things just saying..

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depends if they compete in tested fed or not, I thought. I may be wrong, I don't go to a powerlifting gym, but I've looked at their websites and they seem pretty strongly against them. Any powerlifters care to comment?

There is only one powerlifting federation in NZ and it is part of the Drug Free Sport NZ (DFSNZ) testing programme. Of course this doesn't guarantee that all members are clean. But it does mean they are part of the testing programme.

We need another option in NZ ... http://www.capopowerlifting.com.au/ ... untested and doing both RAW and equipt. I reckon the membership would surge faster as it has done for bbing in nz recently.

I know we are way off topic lol. This has been mooted for a while. I think it's as much about frustration with the NZPF not moving forward with raw comps rather than the drug testing issue.

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how to take a toxic thread at make it interesting :)

Agree Doc - I think recognition of RAW lifting wuld be a substancial benefit to building profile for Pling from a wider audience perspective. Makes it more accessable to guys and gals that don't want to have to invest in the flash gears in order to represent.

Perhaps Strongman is the only home for the enhanced breed. :grin:

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Opti, no ones keen to cough the money to get it started for little in return... nz too small. just go to aus and do it if you dnt agree with drug testing programme and other things such as equipment, airfares cheap and better competition too than if one was to be started here. im not implying that you do disagree with either of those two things just saying..

For a second there I thought you were getting all emotional mate :P ... was that post number 4 or 5? :grin:

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There is only one powerlifting federation in NZ and it is part of the Drug Free Sport NZ (DFSNZ) testing programme. Of course this doesn't guarantee that all members are clean. But it does mean they are part of the testing programme.

We need another option in NZ ... http://www.capopowerlifting.com.au/ ... untested and doing both RAW and equipt. I reckon the membership would surge faster as it has done for bbing in nz recently.

I know we are way off topic lol. This has been mooted for a while. I think it's as much about frustration with the NZPF not moving forward with raw comps rather than the drug testing issue.

Nothing stopping people lifting raw in the NZPF, 14 out of 30 people lifted raw at this years CD champs and 9 out of 21 at the Canterbury Champs.

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Nothing stopping people lifting raw in the NZPF, 14 out of 30 people lifted raw at this years CD champs and 9 out of 21 at the Canterbury Champs.

but they arent recognised for it ie: they are all lumped in with equipped lifters results.

Another fed would be an interesting introduction to NZ PL and no doubt about it attracting a different breed of lifter (possibly enhanced even) and it would get shet poked at it from the IPF fed and any lifter that lifted in it would probably be tarred with the "drug user" title as they dont compete in a tested fed.

Another issue would be getting numbers. Its a minority sport that gets only a little funding or sponsorship of any kind anyway and only has a very small amount of lifters in it. Another fed might cause the numbers to spread too thin and both feds suffer.

Set up would be easy...1 comp rack, 500kgs of plates, a couple of comp bars, computer system, stereo with PA system, and god knows what else but your looking at 20k already :lol:

In saying that, CAPO is in every state in Australia.....

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We need another option in NZ ... http://www.capopowerlifting.com.au/ ... untested and doing both RAW and equipt. I reckon the membership would surge faster as it has done for bbing in nz recently.

I know we are way off topic lol. This has been mooted for a while. I think it's as much about frustration with the NZPF not moving forward with raw comps rather than the drug testing issue.

Nothing stopping people lifting raw in the NZPF, 14 out of 30 people lifted raw at this years CD champs and 9 out of 21 at the Canterbury Champs.

Agreed but these lifters are giving away significant numbers when they compete raw.

Does anyone know where the NZPF are at with raw records/raw nationals? I think there is supposed to be an IPF raw worlds in 2012?

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Nothing stopping people lifting raw in the NZPF, 14 out of 30 people lifted raw at this years CD champs and 9 out of 21 at the Canterbury Champs.

but they arent recognised for it ie: they are all lumped in with equipped lifters results.

Another fed would be an interesting introduction to NZ PL and no doubt about it attracting a different breed of lifter (possibly enhanced even) and it would get shet poked at it from the IPF fed and any lifter that lifted in it would probably be tarred with the "drug user" title as they dont compete in a tested fed.

Another issue would be getting numbers. Its a minority sport that gets only a little funding or sponsorship of any kind anyway and only has a very small amount of lifters in it. Another fed might cause the numbers to spread too thin and both feds suffer.

Set up would be easy...1 comp rack, 500kgs of plates, a couple of comp bars, computer system, stereo with PA system, and god knows what else but your looking at 20k already :lol:

In saying that, CAPO is in every state in Australia.....

I doubt whether another fed is the answer bro.

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we had an indepth thread on this on phouse forum.

seems most of the old guard are opposed to another fed, but the promises that keep coming about a raw division in ipf dont seem to make any progress....

With respect, a lot (not all) of the old guard are anti progress. That's probably why powerlifting continues to languish in the doldrums.

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we had an indepth thread on this on phouse forum.

seems most of the old guard are opposed to another fed, but the promises that keep coming about a raw division in ipf dont seem to make any progress....

With respect, a lot (not all) of the old guard are anti progress. That's probably why powerlifting continues to languish in the doldrums.

fucking AMEN.

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I doubt whether another fed is the answer bro.

I wasnt suggesting this bro...just saying that CAPO is every state in Oz and like I said I dont think the numbers are there to support 2 feds...enough trouble keeping 1 going I wouldve thought.

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Nothing stopping people lifting raw in the NZPF, 14 out of 30 people lifted raw at this years CD champs and 9 out of 21 at the Canterbury Champs.

but they arent recognised for it ie: they are all lumped in with equipped lifters results.

Everyone gets a medal in Powerlifting :pfft:

My point is that if you want to lift raw then there is nothing stopping you and that there is already a number of people doing that. I don't think the NZPF is anti raw but it is more a matter of limited resources (remember the sport is run by volunteers). I think we will start seeing regional raw comps next year. Australia and Samoa have already held raw Nats, IPF Raw worlds June 2012 in Sweeden.

NZPF AGM next month and I am guessing that raw meets will be discussed. If you are an APA member then contact your secretary and get them to add it to the agenda.

So I don't thing the lack of action on raw would or should be a driving force for a new fed.

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I doubt whether another fed is the answer bro.

I wasnt suggesting this bro...just saying that CAPO is every state in Oz and like I said I dont think the numbers are there to support 2 feds...enough trouble keeping 1 going I wouldve thought.

It is a good debate bro. Bodybuilding numbers in NZ seem to grow with new federations and classes. Although the quality probably diminishes with lots of competitors appearing to be more of the 12 week challenge type (wait for the reaction :roll: ).

I heard a rumour recently that a guy in the North Island was looking at launching CAPO in NZ. The IPF takes a dim view of other feds and this will scare the main core of the NZPF off as they won't want to be banned. But it may serve as the catalyst that the NZPF needs to get the raw division up and running. Removing barriers to enhance competitor numbers would seem like a good thing to me.

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Oh brother...here we go again :roll:

I actually have some friends in the Aussie CAPO fed (competitors and administrators) and Im on their mailing list receiving all their comp invites and info regularly. Theres nothing stopping people here in NZ joining the fed and competing, they'd love it if you did!! We are already doing it with NZ BB'ers in the NABBA/WFF BB federation and they are travelling over to Aussie on a regular basis.

Even though CAPO isnt a tested fed, I know of a few of their top lifters that are staunch drugfree but still compete. Personally, it doesnt matter whether we lift in drugfree or untested fed...many of us (including me) are assumed to be on the jungle juice.

Its a never ending battle

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are you saying youd be banned from NZPF if you joined CAPO and then wanted to join NZPF?

I don't know the answer to this. Not sure if there is an official line. But there are examples of lifters who have been banned from the IPF for lifting in unsanctioned events. There was an even a referee who was threatened with a ban if he adjudicated at the Raw Unity this year.

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Rule 14.9 of IPF constitution:

"Participating in Non-IPF Competition

Any lifter, coach, referee or official who competes or participates in an international Powerlifting or Bench Press competition not organised, sanctioned or approved by the IPF shall not be permitted to take part in any IPF international or regional competition for a period of 12 months from the date of that non-approved competition."

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In some respect powerlifting seems to have befallen a similar fate to most of the older bbing feds in nz ....

At it's formation - conception - the guys that started it all probably still have a lot of the control. Holding on to old ways and history is not a bad thing as long as it doesn't prevent an organisation changing with the times.

The reality is (and it not just powerlifting and bodybuilding in NZ) is that funding is often controlled by the same people for decade(s) and as a result you can get in the situation of preferences being made to family and close associates, which in turn can mean that new up and coming talent do get the opportunities.

Another factor is that most of the foundation leadership may not have the capability to take an organisation beyond there own vision and belief. This is why in the commercial world, publically listed companies will more often change out a CEO amd exec team in order to keep it fresh and ensuring it evolves. "If you keep doing what you are doing - you'll keep getting what you got" ...

Same applies to funding etc. All of the more mainstream sports started out grass roots like powerlifting and bodybuilding. But over time they may have developed better networks within their memberships. It's interesting that promoters often only engage supplement wholesalers and retailers for bodybuilding sponsership - or rely on some kind of government grant (historical). But if you sat down with your membership list and identified who amoungst them are running businesses and looked at seeking their advice - you never know, they may just offer support/funding etc.

How many of these organisations actually sit down with a PnL and forecast a plan including a marketing/strategy etc designed to increase appeal and funding? How often do they review their plan and stop doing what's not working and doing more of what is?

And I can safely say I have never seen a poster in any commercial gym that promotes a powerlifting event. They normally only show up in the hardcore places - not a bad thing but how many wealth business people train in the assylums ... not many if any. Commercialisation is the key to growth in any sport. As long as Pling is pitched at the hardcore it will only have that appeal.

... a bit off topic maybe.

In anycase - IMO RAW powerlifting could be easily adopted by a bodybuilding Fed. The Nabba WFF show last year was a good example of this. Nearly everyone that went to that show thought the bench comp was a success - infact it got more commentary than the new model classes that were launched.

May be there is a place for a powerlifting event to be held during the day with a prize giving as part of the evening show or bodybuilding event .... now with most good shows being posed in judged in one session this could be easily accomodated. You'd have no trouble getting people to pay the same fee as the nightshow perhaps and you'd also get the registration fees too. IMO - this would grow the appeal of bbding shows more than re-badging bikini and modeling classes. In fact you could run your bikini classes throughout the day so it breaks up the pling event - I'm sure bikini models would be a hit at a pling event :nod:

And as a result of a bbing promoter running a 3 lift - it would come under the same "rigid" testing rules associated currently with bodybuilding :P

It's a win/win for everyone :wink:

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I'm just waffling now aren't I? :lol:

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