First decent mass stack with HGH

[Sifo-Dyas]

The HGH began today

9iu post training on training days. 10iu Humalog insulin post training. 100mcg T3 taken the night before a training day. Training 4 times per week

11am Training (After meal 2)

12.30pm 9iu HGH, 10iu insulin.

Other supplements daily: -

20mg Oral Stanz

25mg Oral Proviron

90mg Enanthate

90mg Cypionate

50mg Masteron

40mg Deca

The Gear began 4 weeks ago at a starting weight of 96kg.

After 10 weeks and 15kg heavier the stack takes a turn towards hardening as below;

75mg Mixed Test Cyp/Enanthate ED

50mg Boldenone Cypionate ED

50mg Tren Ace ED

50mg Masteron ED

30mg Stanz ED

25mg Proviron twice daily

500mg Clomid twice daily

62.5mg Deca EOD

9iu HGH Post training 4 days a week with 10iu Humalog insulin

[nate225]

I hope Chch hospital's renal unit was unscathed in the earthquake & that the hepatic specialists haven't left town.....LOL :grin:

Good luck buddy, should be an interesting ride for ya, don't go doing an Andreas on us! :?

Hopefully no one reading this journal gets the impression this level of usage is of the norm for non elite BBers (no disrespect meant - by elite I'm referring to those few Pro's making a living from BBing). In simple terms "kiddies this aint for you" :nod:

[HarryB]

What would be interesting is some starting stats and some finishing stats.. just so we can have a better idea of the efficacy of this course? If you do a cycle like this please tell me you'll be able to at least deadlift 200kilos lol

[aidangro]

Today it began.

2iu 4 x per day on training days. 10iu nova rapid insulin 2 x per day on training days. Training 4 times per week

6.30am (before breakfast) 2iu HGH, 10iu insulin.

10.30am 2iu HGH

11am Training

12.30pm 2iu HGH, 10iu insulin.

5pm 2iu HGH

8.30 2iu HGH

Other supplements daily: -

100mcg T3

20mg Stanz

50mg Propionate

62.5mg Cypionate

62.5mg Enanthate

50mg Masteron

40mg Deca

jesus christ thats alota gear!! :shock: , will be watching this with great interest. you gana post up some progress pics?

[train hard]

awesome good too see someone who is doing this level off gear put it out there like this respect for that go hard bro!

[Android]

Wow that's more than someone I know prep'd for the Olympia last last year!

Train as hard as humanely possible then train some more dude

Not sure if variety on a constant daily basis is really variety in the end but all the best with it.

I like the small amounts daily and guessing u site inject these into small muscle groups....

Love to see your pre-contest stack later on

[jimjim83]

Today it began.

2iu 4 x per day on training days. 10iu nova rapid insulin 2 x per day on training days. Training 4 times per week

6.30am (before breakfast) 2iu HGH, 10iu insulin.

10.30am 2iu HGH

11am Training

12.30pm 2iu HGH, 10iu insulin.

5pm 2iu HGH

8.30 2iu HGH

Other supplements daily: -

100mcg T3

20mg Stanz

50mg Propionate

62.5mg Cypionate

62.5mg Enanthate

50mg Masteron

40mg Deca

Death wish?

[Daz69]

Today it began.

2iu 4 x per day on training days. 10iu nova rapid insulin 2 x per day on training days. Training 4 times per week

6.30am (before breakfast) 2iu HGH, 10iu insulin.

10.30am 2iu HGH

11am Training

12.30pm 2iu HGH, 10iu insulin.

5pm 2iu HGH

8.30 2iu HGH

Other supplements daily: -

100mcg T3

20mg Stanz

50mg Propionate

62.5mg Cypionate

62.5mg Enanthate

50mg Masteron

40mg Deca

Death wish?

Hell of a lot more than I ever took..... :shock:

[jimjim83]

jesus christ thats alota gear!! :shock: , will be watching this with great interest. you gana post up some progress pics?

I think some pics before and after would be good if your running that amount I hope the results will be better than WANBJERKD

[aidangro]

jesus christ thats alota gear!! :shock: , will be watching this with great interest. you gana post up some progress pics?

I think some pics before and after would be good if your running that amount I hope the results will be better than WANBJERKD

nah nah nah bro he would be hard to beat.

[Sifo-Dyas]

I will post pics from last comp to next comp at the end of this. I do not want to let the cat out of the bag until it's too late for anyone to do anything about it.

Here are some stats and insight though to give some clarity.

Training age - 20 years - 10 years clean and 10 years enhanced. I train heavy and hard and am a qualified PT

Age 40ish

Height 174cm

Weight 96kg

Bodyfat 12%

I cycle off and on and do maybe 3 short mass phases per year of 1500mg+/week. I sometimes spend many months on very low doses until I feel everything is ready for me to do a decent mass phase like now. The gear I use is of very high quality. The estrogen support and hgh is prescription. I also have the full support of my doctor and get bloods done every month. I have a blood glucose meter at home for when I choose to use insulin and also a blood pressure gauge and check my blood pressure very often. So although a lot of you may see this level of AAS use extreme, it is done with safety and health in mind. My liver and kidneys are both very healthy even at this dose, cholesterol does fluctuate but not into any danger zone and blood pressure is currently at 140/85. In my world and those I associate with, these levels of AAS use are average, and 3g/week is not uncommon.

My short term goal is to gain 5kg of permanent mass from this phase.

My mid term goal is to take the NZ Physique title in 2012 weighing close to 100kg ripped on stage.

My long term goal is to compete internationally.

[aidangro]

I will post pics from last comp to next comp at the end of this. I do not want to let the cat out of the bag until it's too late for anyone to do anything about it.

Here are some stats and insight though to give some clarity.

Training age - 20 years - 10 years clean and 10 years enhanced. I train heavy and hard and am a qualified PT

Age 40ish

Height 174cm

Weight 96kg

Bodyfat 12%

I cycle off and on and do maybe 3 short mass phases per year of 1500mg+/week. I sometimes spend many months on very low doses until I feel everything is ready for me to do a decent mass phase like now. The gear I use is of very high quality. The estrogen support and hgh is prescription. I also have the full support of my doctor and get bloods done every month. I have a blood glucose meter at home for when I choose to use insulin and also a blood pressure gauge and check my blood pressure very often. So although a lot of you may see this level of AAS use extreme, it is done with safety and health in mind. My liver and kidneys are both very healthy even at this dose, cholesterol does fluctuate but not into any danger zone and blood pressure is currently at 140/85. In my world and those I associate with, these levels of AAS use are average, and 3g/week is not uncommon.

My short term goal is to gain 5kg of permanent mass from this phase.

My mid term goal is to take the NZ Physique title in 2012 weighing close to 100kg ripped on stage.

My long term goal is to compete internationally.

thats cool mate, you sound like you know what ya doing!! look forward to seeing your results, if you get stuck at all give WANABJAKD a yell. he will give you some sound advice.

[Sifo-Dyas]

I hope to hear from WANABJAKD and no doubt I will :pfft: .

Time for meal 8, hot & spicy chicken breast =P~

Meal 9 at 1am

Meal 10 at 4am

Train, eat sleep..eat again & grow grow grow \:D/

[aidangro]

I hope to hear from WANABJAKD and no doubt I will :pfft: .

Time for meal 8, hot & spicy chicken breast =P~

Meal 9 at 1am

Meal 10 at 4am

Train, eat sleep..eat again & grow grow grow \:D/

[Android]

Green tops or blue tops...iif u don't mind me asking

[Pete_S]

I personally don't like your gear cycle and these are some of the reasons why;

1. 100mcg ed is too much T3. Stick to 50mcg and only use when using insulin which i feel is best cycled 4 weeks on 4 weeks off.

2. You only need one ester of test - so choose whether its prop, cyp or enth.

3. If its prop inject every day, if cyp or enth twice a week.

4. Stanz is good for cutting. If youre bulking use D-bol

5. Already mentioned how you should use HGH daily for a bulk.

6. I get better gains from using fast acting insulin pre workout rather than post (BUT i don't suggest this as this is risky if you don't know what youre doing - i DO know how to work this from experience).

Ive done some pretty big cycles in the past (4grams a week) but find that more is not always better as for me it screws up my appetite and i cant eat enough calories. If youre serious about doing what would be considered a moderate size cycle in NZ standards (based on some of the comments from other users) i would suggest the following; ignoring your HGH and Insulin dose for now.

50g D-Bol ED

100mg Test Prop ED

150mg NPP EOD

50mg Mast Prop ED (optional but not essential)

50mcg T3 ED

Cycle length anywhere between 12-16 weeks.

Hope this helps.......

NB: Keyboard warriors who have no real experience can now start your rants blah blah blah

[Sifo-Dyas]

Green tops or blue tops...iif u don't mind me asking

Prescription HGH not Chinese gear -

[WANABJAKD]

I personally don't like your gear cycle and these are some of the reasons why;

1. 100mcg ed is too much T3. Stick to 50mcg and only use when using insulin which i feel is best cycled 4 weeks on 4 weeks off.

2. You only need one ester of test - so choose whether its prop, cyp or enth.

3. If its prop inject every day, if cyp or enth twice a week.

4. Stanz is good for cutting. If youre bulking use D-bol

5. Already mentioned how you should use HGH daily for a bulk.

6. I get better gains from using fast acting insulin pre workout rather than post (BUT i don't suggest this as this is risky if you don't know what youre doing - i DO know how to work this from experience).

Ive done some pretty big cycles in the past (4grams a week) but find that more is not always better as for me it screws up my appetite and i cant eat enough calories. If youre serious about doing what would be considered a moderate size cycle in NZ standards (based on some of the comments from other users) i would suggest the following; ignoring your HGH and Insulin dose for now.

50g D-Bol ED

100mg Test Prop ED

150mg NPP EOD

50mg Mast Prop ED (optional but not essential)

50mcg T3 ED

Cycle length anywhere between 12-16 weeks.

Hope this helps.......

NB: Keyboard warriors who have no real experience can now start your rants blah blah blah

another good post by pete.

sifo, your original cycle isnt badass by any stretch, its just otp in every fashion(refer to pete's explanations). android you wanna give a name to the pro? i find that hard to believe, most pros CRUISE on 1g.

i dont see what your deal is with running T3, especially at a high dose of 100mcg or even 50mcg. T3 is very catabolic and also lowers gh's effectiveness; besides, your planning to run 10ius of gh with over 1g(close to 1.5g) of test, thats all the fat burning youd need for a bulk. why on earth would you want to run T3 during a bulk anyway?

[Android]

Cheers Sifo, but HGH is from China, they make it dude

I personally don't like your gear cycle and these are some of the reasons why;

1. 100mcg ed is too much T3. Stick to 50mcg and only use when using insulin which i feel is best cycled 4 weeks on 4 weeks off.

2. You only need one ester of test - so choose whether its prop, cyp or enth.

3. If its prop inject every day, if cyp or enth twice a week.

4. Stanz is good for cutting. If youre bulking use D-bol

5. Already mentioned how you should use HGH daily for a bulk.

6. I get better gains from using fast acting insulin pre workout rather than post (BUT i don't suggest this as this is risky if you don't know what youre doing - i DO know how to work this from experience).

Ive done some pretty big cycles in the past (4grams a week) but find that more is not always better as for me it screws up my appetite and i cant eat enough calories. If youre serious about doing what would be considered a moderate size cycle in NZ standards (based on some of the comments from other users) i would suggest the following; ignoring your HGH and Insulin dose for now.

50g D-Bol ED

100mg Test Prop ED

150mg NPP EOD

50mg Mast Prop ED (optional but not essential)

50mcg T3 ED

Cycle length anywhere between 12-16 weeks.

Hope this helps.......

NB: Keyboard warriors who have no real experience can now start your rants blah blah blah

No rant from me Pete.

I've always suggested T3 should be pyramided from as little as 25mcg up to 100. A competitor never turned up to last years Auckland champs because they took 100mcg straight away and got real sick.

If you do Prop for bulking I'd normally take a ml of Test-E or C to even out the spikes but that would be EOD pinning, but ED would seem to make that redundant so 100mg/day is good. Some guys are using the oil in site injections to expand size and less painful, myself included, could be loads of reasons he has.

Cutting out the winny would see water retention levels rise wouldn't it? Id save for cutting as well only because the injectable leaves a powder residue behind inside the muscle so too much can't be good.

What struck me was 1am and 4am feeds. Swapping out REM sleep for food which Justin R did by taking Fantasy...where does Sifo get his good night sleep from?

[Sifo-Dyas]

I personally don't like your gear cycle and these are some of the reasons why;

1. 100mcg ed is too much T3. Stick to 50mcg and only use when using insulin which i feel is best cycled 4 weeks on 4 weeks off.

2. You only need one ester of test - so choose whether its prop, cyp or enth.

3. If its prop inject every day, if cyp or enth twice a week.

4. Stanz is good for cutting. If youre bulking use D-bol

5. Already mentioned how you should use HGH daily for a bulk.

6. I get better gains from using fast acting insulin pre workout rather than post (BUT i don't suggest this as this is risky if you don't know what youre doing - i DO know how to work this from experience).

Ive done some pretty big cycles in the past (4grams a week) but find that more is not always better as for me it screws up my appetite and i cant eat enough calories. If youre serious about doing what would be considered a moderate size cycle in NZ standards (based on some of the comments from other users) i would suggest the following; ignoring your HGH and Insulin dose for now.

50g D-Bol ED

100mg Test Prop ED

150mg NPP EOD

50mg Mast Prop ED (optional but not essential)

50mcg T3 ED

Cycle length anywhere between 12-16 weeks.

Hope this helps.......

NB: Keyboard warriors who have no real experience can now start your rants blah blah blah

Thanks for this. Awesome advice and I really appreciate you sharing this with me from your own experience and have taken it all on board and saved the information.

I am going to stick to this stack for this round and learn the hard way from my own mistakes...but your advised stack is going to be followed to the letter next phase. I have the components required and love NPP. Never thought to use NPP like this in a mass phase? I always use Masteron for mild estrogen support and other benefits and if estrogen gets too high I add arimidex 1mg EOD

Reason for stanz over dbol - Using a c17aa oral is great for boosting igf-1. Dbol kills my appetite by day 10 so thought I would try stanz so I don't bloat so soon.

[Marcus]

Will follow this with interest Sifo.

[Sifo-Dyas]

Will follow this with interest Sifo.

I Wont answer any questions relating to the type of gear. It is plain pack unlabeled same as what everyone else is using. Other than the HGH and estrogen control which are prescription.

The results will be due to the basics - Training, nutrition and a positive attitude to achieve my goals.

[aidangro]

I personally don't like your gear cycle and these are some of the reasons why;

1. 100mcg ed is too much T3. Stick to 50mcg and only use when using insulin which i feel is best cycled 4 weeks on 4 weeks off.

2. You only need one ester of test - so choose whether its prop, cyp or enth.

3. If its prop inject every day, if cyp or enth twice a week.

4. Stanz is good for cutting. If youre bulking use D-bol

5. Already mentioned how you should use HGH daily for a bulk.

6. I get better gains from using fast acting insulin pre workout rather than post (BUT i don't suggest this as this is risky if you don't know what youre doing - i DO know how to work this from experience).

Ive done some pretty big cycles in the past (4grams a week) but find that more is not always better as for me it screws up my appetite and i cant eat enough calories. If youre serious about doing what would be considered a moderate size cycle in NZ standards (based on some of the comments from other users) i would suggest the following; ignoring your HGH and Insulin dose for now.

50g D-Bol ED

100mg Test Prop ED

150mg NPP EOD

50mg Mast Prop ED (optional but not essential)

50mcg T3 ED

Cycle length anywhere between 12-16 weeks.

Hope this helps.......

NB: Keyboard warriors who have no real experience can now start your rants blah blah blah

another good post by pete.

sifo, your original cycle isnt badass by any stretch, its just otp in every fashion(refer to pete's explanations). android you wanna give a name to the pro? i find that hard to believe, most pros CRUISE on 1g.

i dont see what your deal is with running T3, especially at a high dose of 100mcg or even 50mcg. T3 is very catabolic and also lowers gh's effectiveness; besides, your planning to run 10ius of gh with over 1g(close to 1.5g) of test, thats all the fat burning youd need for a bulk. why on earth would you want to run T3 during a bulk anyway?

ssssshhhhhhhh!! Let the one's with experience talk.

[Sifo-Dyas]

Was expecting so much more from WANABJAKD? :shock:

Have another crack at it and from personal experience and what you achieved from running HGH "without" T3

How many iu did you ru? How often? On what days? For how long? And of course what were the results and your gains from the end of the course.

Really appreciate some good information from you WANABJAKD if you have the time.

[startinfromscratch]

Was expecting so much more from WANABJAKD? :shock:

Have another crack at it and from personal experience and what you achieved from running HGH "without" T3

How many iu did you ru? How often? On what days? For how long? And of course what were the results and your gains from the end of the course.

Really appreciate some good information from you WANABJAKD if you have the time.