Carlos Insane Posted March 26, 2011 Report Share Posted March 26, 2011 Great read and a good insight for someone like myself. Its good to get a post like this cause there are some real muppets out there. Thanks :clap: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reece Posted April 14, 2011 Report Share Posted April 14, 2011 130kgs, that is pretty huge. interesting read. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Train2Win Posted April 22, 2011 Report Share Posted April 22, 2011 Well written, cheers for informative post Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baz Posted May 18, 2011 Report Share Posted May 18, 2011 awesome post, iv been considering using for a year or so now.. reading this makes me want to hold back a little longer. its guys like this that inspire me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimass Posted May 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted May 23, 2011 awesome post, iv been considering using for a year or so now.. reading this makes me want to hold back a little longer. its guys like this that inspire meAwesome - thanks for the feedback. A little more practice can make a huge difference - body building is as much a personal journey as physical lifestyle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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thatwaslight Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 Awesome read bro I just signed up tonight - keen to learn heaps before I decide to hit up a cycle. I just gotta figure out what would be good for a first cycle now what are you stats?Srsly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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thatwaslight Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 post pics bro Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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thatwaslight Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 looks like theres a base to work with there man and your at a good bf to start a cycle, i personally don't believe you can spot gear use by the shape of muscles but thats just me.As MNZ has said the best thing for a first cycle is a long estered testosterone cycle using test enanthate or cypionate for 12-14 weeks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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thatwaslight Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 Nice! I read another thread about doctors prescribing HGH - think it's possible they'd do hookups on those or would I have to talk to someone else? PS - thank you!EDIT - how much would i be looking at roughly for this - just don't wanna get scammed too much ya know GH is not for you bro not for along time. you will get great results from just test alone if your diet and training are on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Pete_S Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 I strongly echo the theme of what Optimass is saying here;I trained for 15 years naturally before my first AAS cycle.The gear has only added 10% transformation to my physique and is no quick fix for real hard work and determination Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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vracula Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 I strongly echo the theme of what Optimass is saying here;I trained for 15 years naturally before my first AAS cycle.The gear has only added 10% transformation to my physique and is no quick fix for real hard work and determinationdo you have pics?it gets a little confusing sometimes thinking what is achievable naturally with a some of those guys saying they are natty's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimass Posted June 8, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2011 I strongly echo the theme of what Optimass is saying here;I trained for 15 years naturally before my first AAS cycle.The gear has only added 10% transformation to my physique and is no quick fix for real hard work and determinationdo you have pics?it gets a little confusing sometimes thinking what is achievable naturally with a some of those guys saying they are natty's.So hard to guage natural potential because there are so many variables. conservatively, I think if you gain 500g to a kg of actual muscle .... "actual muscle" in 12 months - whether you do this naturally or on cycle > thats a pretty good result ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
notatroll Posted June 14, 2011 Report Share Posted June 14, 2011 nice read opti, i think far too many jump into gear too soon (i was one of them)just glad i only ever ran low dose cycles so next time i jump on (once i reach 100-105 naturally) i should go BOOM !and i know iv asked this b4.... but any pics of when you were 130 ? A gram and slin usage is considered low does? What do peeps consider a high dose then? lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomsammce Posted June 14, 2011 Report Share Posted June 14, 2011 nice read opti, i think far too many jump into gear too soon (i was one of them)just glad i only ever ran low dose cycles so next time i jump on (once i reach 100-105 naturally) i should go BOOM !and i know iv asked this b4.... but any pics of when you were 130 ? A gram and slin usage is considered low does? What do peeps consider a high dose then? lolLOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bongadiniz Posted December 30, 2011 Report Share Posted December 30, 2011 great stuff! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
muscle99 Posted January 6, 2012 Report Share Posted January 6, 2012 1kg of actual muscle in one year, can't almost anyone do that? especially in your first couple years of training Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hhhh1 Posted January 6, 2012 Report Share Posted January 6, 2012 1kg of actual muscle in one year, can't almost anyone do that? especially in your first couple years of trainingyes. easily Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2wish4 Posted January 8, 2012 Report Share Posted January 8, 2012 then with all that experiance can you plz help me out and check out my pics in general chit chat and tell me what you think i should do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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